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"Yes, there is contraception, yes, you should use it, and yes, abortion shouldn't be used as a form of birth control. But in the case you get raped or won't be able to care for the child for some reason, you're saving it from a life it wouldn't be happy with once it's born. I'd rather have a unborn, undeveloped childs chance to live taken away if it, in no way, was going to like it's life. Someone in the con comments mentioned that at 5 weeks a fetus has a heartbeat and feels pain, I just wanted to say heartbeat=/=the ability to feel pain. Also, if you are anti-abortion, you'd better be looking for ways to improve the adoption system in America, because that's often what happens to unwanted children and it could definetly be improved. People will get abortions regardless of wether or not it's legal, and so making it legal and having procedures done by professionals is safer. But really, it comes down to this. If you don't want your child to be aborted, don't get an abortion. If you can't support the child, either get an abortion or put it up for adoption. But the adoption system needs to be worked on as well."
"In reply to KatieI misspoke. As how content the child in this case is irrelevant, because who are we to judge, I meant if the child was born into a situation that would be harmful to it. As for legalization, you went on a tangent about legalizing theft or murder because people will do it regardless. While this is a little drastic I see your point and would like to clarify:If abortion is illegal, people are doing it in unsanitary places with unsanitary items. If its legal, it's done in a safe environment and patients can be treated more accordingly, as well as making outside funding for clinics an option."
"I'm always glad when a woman has the support and resources to be a single mother, or has the fortitude and faith to raise a child from a rape. I'm glad that she had the choice.I also know absolutely that I would never carry a child to term as a result of a rape, or risk my own health to have a child in my 50s or if I was fighting a serious disease. I'm glad I have the choice. There are two sides to the choice coin - one a true choice, one a forced decision based on a frequently desperate situation. We need to respect both sides."
"According to you, "I'd rather have an unborn, undeveloped child's chance to live taken away if it, in no way, was going to like it's life." First off, who are we to judge if the child will like it's life?! If the mother has financial troubles or wants to continue her career OR "the adoption system needs to be worked out" so it would be a bad experience for the child, who's to say the child will not be happy in any of these situations?!?! It's absurd to think that we can first judge whether the child (which you did recognize as having a "chance to live") should survive and secondly try to predict the future and say that the child will be unhappy! Also according to you, "People will get abortions regardless of whether or not it's legal," So you're saying one of the reasons this act should be legal is because people would do it anyways? Well I think that logic will get us in a bunch of trouble. So since murder is a crime and people are still murdered, legalize it! Since people are still stealing, legalize it! It doesn't make sense. I just ask that everyone think about the reasons behind abortion and see whether they're even consequential or not."
"There are also situations where the mother would be beaten or killed along with her baby if she carried to term. I cannot help but think of Saudi women. The Saudis kill rape victims so if they get pregnant, they should have an abortion to save their own life."
"FYI Less than 1% of abortions yearly are caused by rape."
"Being a raped victim, teen and having my child i disagree with you because not once did i think of killing my child. !"
"I'd like to take a moment and thank those who agreed with me, it boosted my ego a bit. I'd also like to applaud those who disagreed, as I'm all for the discussion of political hot topics. I wrote my response when I was fourteen, using this website as inspiration for an argumentative essay I was assigned in my english class. I'm flattered that I managed to inspire such a discussion on a forum of a topic I ended up not using for my essay and I appreciate everyone who put forth their opinion, wether they disagree or agree. I'd rather not continue the discussion for myself however, as now I view this website as having hatemongering qualities. I encourage everyone to continue teaching themselves about such topics and to vote as well."
"How is it that you have the ability to predict whether it would be happy or not? If a person is considered officially dead when the heart stops beating, then why do you not consider it to officially be alive when it begins beating at just 18 days after conception?The actual percentage of couples yearning to adopt a newborn is way greater than you think. Newborns are the ones couples opt for 1st.The percentage of women who get abortions due to rape is actually only 1%. And furthermore, why is it the unborn that must pay the price by having it's life terminated because of the violent act of the father?Do you think Hitler was justified and had the right to kill all those Jews just because he chose to believe that they were not human? You must believe that we all have the right and the choice to make whether we take another humans life or not. There is no difference whether it is still in the womb or already out of the womb, it is a life, it has a heartbeat just as you do. Why do murderers not have the "right" to "choose" to take someones life because they believe you are a burden to them?"
"Why do some people who appear to have a great life commit suicide? Why are the happiest people I know the poorest, and the sickest, and they have the most undesirable life that could seem possible? Life is what you make it. Everybody that is born will have pain and misery. Everybody that is born will have joy and happiness. Life is hard for everyone. Everybody deserves do have a chance."
"You have multiple arrogant remarks that prove you are not as knowledgeable on the topic as you would like to think. The fetus's spinal column and nervous system are forming at 3 weeks. Nervous system DOES = pain... also who are you to decide whether a baby would be happy or not? True happiness is not found in money or attractiveness or anything of that sort. And even if he baby was to be disabled, and live a miserable life, it would go to heaven for suffering so much on earth. And the lives of the crippled can touch other peoples lives! they can have an extremely positive and life changing impact on those around them. The adoption system is not thriving because there are so many families that want to adopt and not enough children that people are put on a waiting list for years. The holocaust lead to roughly 12 million deaths. Abortion has lead to 56 million deaths and counting."
"Katie, it is an unborn child. yes it feels pain. But who are you to say or know that it won't be unhappy. You're contradicting yourself and it is funny."
"The adoption SYSTEM has nothing to do with it. People simply don't want to adopt children. If you want to improve the "system", then go adopt!!!"
"adoption agencies were created for a reason you know! Thats what they were for when abortion wasn't around so why should families who can't have kids suffer because someone thinks they have to keep the child. Just because you can't do it on your own doesn't mean someone else can't have a dream that they have been wishing for but are physically incapable of doing,"
"So you are saying it's okay to kill if you believe that person won't have a happy life? My daughter was a product of rape and I thank God every day that her birth mom had the courage to carry her and give her life. Someday...she may be our President!"
"But adoption IS always an option though. If a mother cannot raise a child, then isn't it better to put it up for adoption than to kill it? And I was listening to NPR and they said something about how if it is a true rape, then a woman's body does have "defenses" And as for the baby having a heartbeat no feeling pain, well on the website it mentioned that scientist who have been studying abortion believe that the baby will feel extraordinary pain.And actually, we have thousands of people all over the world wanting to adopt, but because abortion is legal, there is a shortage."
"Well if the mother isn't able to care for the infant , she could easily put it up for adoption , or put the baby in a foster home."
"ITS CALLED ADOPTION THE LOVING OPTION"
"no matter if it 3was rape or not its not jstifiable it still leaves a mark on the woman/girl it is horriblr to kill a baby and if u really dont want it put it up for adoption!!!"
"I am affirmative with your opinion, and abortion should be legal for a person who is raped and has reasons not to be able to care for them as you said. However, if people consider of abortion as one of the birth control ways same as contraception and so on, it should not be legal. Abortion should be only the way for people you mentioned."
"I would just like to say that your clarifying points did not clarify anything. If the child is born into a situation that would be harmful to it, how is abortion any different? If anything it is worse than the potential situation. The same argument could also be made. If murder was legal, then murders would no longer have to scheme and kill people in dark alleys, then could go down the street and murder "in a safe environment [where] patients can be treated more accordingly." Please explain."
"I love this site! What a great resource... I thought of an interesting contradiction that I have seen in the public debate. Often, I find that the same groups who oppose a woman's right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy also oppose effective sex education in schools, access to health care for poor women and children, 'entitlements' such as WIC, food stamps, Medicaid, and welfare, and Social Security. These groups also seem to support the death penalty more often than not. In other words, they want all precious babies to be born, however once they are here, they don't want to spend tax payer money on feeding, educating, or providing essential services for the child or her family. 'Right to Life' groups should change their slogan to 'Right to a Life of Suffering'."
"As far as stepping up sex education, I agree with that. Also, keep it out of the birth canal, and promote safe sex, instead of the stupid wait until you are married bullcrap. Just promote safe sex practices.I like the way you think, Samantha, I truly respect it, especially since at least you can be honest, unlike some of the people who say they are pro, but really aren't, and want to push their point of view. Hell, I know if I could perform abortions, I would love the job, but I agree, it should be a choice, and a person should be comfortable with choices, not forced to stay in a situation. I say as I said in an audio interview, more abortions, more abortions MORE F***ING ABORTIONS. We need them, especially since people like the anits are the biggest reason for things such as this, as well as the economy, pastors, pedos, and Michael Jackson types. Think about that before you decide to have kids"
"@JDH.You're a tad bit disrespectful for a 31-year-old mother. Not everyone is over 18 on this site. I'll also add in there, not everyone is religious. Try to keep to the topic."
"I myself am against the death penalty and for sex education. The problem though is that certain pro-choicers try to argue for abortion by tying all pro-lifers into one "nut-job stereotype." Just because some pro-lifers are also for some other political ideas does not mean we all are. This should be a debate on whether or not abortion is murder not a straw man show in which one tears their opponent's argument apart just by mentioning radicals in their group."
"You are absolutely right, its funny how much they'd love to see overpopulation dwindle resources. Along with their own bloody resources. They tend to forget that when a mother has a baby they cant afford, they depend on the government. The government gets their funds from hardworking middle class mothers like you JDH. The people that are "milking the system" as you so eloquently said. Are the same people who can' take care of their children. So why you sit there and cry about your hard earned tax paying money going towards the slaughtering of babies (lul) then be prepared to shell out your hard earned tax paying money, for the necessities this baby is going to need for a "ok lukewarm" borderline poverty stricken life. (until its an adult might i add)"
"Ok, so if you think that the baby is going to have a bad life, you should just put it up for adoption. You can't know if it's going to have a bad life until after it's lived it."
"I just had a great idea!!! Maybe schools should have abortion prevention classes as well. Yeah, they could show the slides of all the STDs and show how to properly apply a condom and then right after that, they can show videos of babies being killed by having scissors stabbed into their spinal cords! Of course they might also want to show the kiddos what a 'candy apple baby' looks like as well. I mean hey, if we're going to educate our children we should at least make sure they're getting all the information."
"COD3 you follow me around and reply to almost all my posts so I find it hard to believe that you're afraid to post. You just couldn't resist throwing in a dig at me...but that's okay. It means I've left a mark and I'm more than okay with that. ;-)Oh and I am surprised that you are worried about what I will say when the topic is murder...I mean murdering babies. How can you be worried about my posts which defend a babies right to live? Is it easier for you to stomach when you don't have to think about how it's actually done? Why color it up? Aren't we all trying to speak the truth on here. If a woman of any age is thinking about abortion, she should know ALL the facts...even the ones that might be too graphic."
"Samantha, I am a very conservative 31 year old woman. I am also a mother. I pay my taxes and don't utilize any Government programs or handouts. It makes me sick to think that my hard earned money - MY taxes could go towards the slaughtering of babies. I don't believe in the death penalty either as I think it isn't mans right to kill another for committing crimes - no matter how heinous those crimes might be. I am more than willing to pay taxes to keep criminals off the streets. I think sex ed is a necessity AND think everyone should receive healthcare even though I pay nearly $200.00 a month just for my son to be covered. What I can't stand, and what a lot of other hardworking tax paying Americans can't stand are people who milk the system. I could elaborate on this but I have to go back to work so that I can pay taxes and buy candy bars and soda for unscrupulous welfare recipients."
"u are def. wrong about that. I dont agree with anything u just stated and im anti abortion. sorry, try again."
"unless you've been in the situation, you do not know that its like to make that decision. not everyone who wants an abortion is slut who neglects condoms and birth control. the adoption system is mediocre at best, and can leave a child scarred. plus, putting a kid up for adoption isn't that easy. that woman will still have to endure 9 months of pregnancy, doctors visits, and handle the costs for all of that, which is very expensive. would you really trust someone who didnt want the baby in the first place to get the proper pre-natal care that she needs for the baby to be healthy? and i dont think any man has the right to say that abortion should be illegal. YOUR not the one who is going to have to change their entire life for AT LEAST nine months to have the child. whether its yours or not, its not your decision. my body, my decision"
"Thank you. This is what I've been trying to get across."
"Just because its your body doesnt mean you have the right to murder your child."
"Yes this woman may have to change her life for nine months, and yes there will be a financial burden. But instead think of it this way your taking what could possibly be 20 years or more from the life of another by never giving them a chance. You ever noticed how a sentence for murder is more than nine months and some money? Well that's what abortion is, murder. And hey would you have wanted to be aborted? Do you feel that your life should have been fragily placed in the hands of your mother? What if she had decided to do it? Then you wouldn't be here to cry out pro-abortion...think about it."
"its a womans choice to have an abortion. i terminated my pregnancy because i was raped. i didnt want to have this child because it was never ment to be, i wasnt willing to have sex.. i was forced under my consent. i also did not want this child to resemble the man that forced him self in me. all in all abortion should be legal"
"that's understandable, i mean i would abort a child specially if i got raped."
"Darby, it's really sad that most of the replies to your comment lack compassion for you and the decision you had to make.Few people realize that in many states it is actually possible for rapists to exert parental rights. It's YOUR life that we should care about here - YOUR future, YOUR safety.Hugs to you."
"So your rapists still gets to live but the innocent baby who did nothing wrong gets it's life taken away. I have a difficult time understanding how that is honestly fair. The baby could go to one of hundreds of million couples just dying to adopt a newborn and you could choose to never see it ever again and you would be doing a wonderful thing to allow that baby to live and have a happy life."
"Oh my gosh. I am so sorry. I can see why you had an abortion."
"Why should the child pay for the mistake that the father made? Isn't the life of a human being more important than the right to choose anyways? Abortion is an abuse of free will! Having freedom does not mean that you get to do whatever you want. We are given free will by GOD, who has created each and every one of us in His image and likeness, giving us human dignity! We must be responsible and choose to do the GOOD, not the evil. Abortion has always been and will always be intrinsically evil since it is the murder of innocent human beings. Every human being has a right to life, and abortion deprives a poor baby from having it! Life is so sacred, and it should be protected from conception until natural death. It pains me so much to think of all the children and people we are missing as a result of abortion. Statistics show that I would be missing 1/3 of my classmates as a result of abortion! Many people are killed in silence since children in the womb are vulnerable and cannot speak up. Being in your mother's womb should be the safest place to be on earth, yet, many are betrayed by their mother's when they are aborted. Please stop abortion. THIS IS A RESPONSE TO ALL FOR ABORTION."
"things happen for a reason you cannot blame rape for your abortion."
"Abortion is no better than rape."
"Your child would've ha a different set of genetics. I understand your POV, but there are many other ways to get through that. Your child might have been a great example to raise awareness and helping out those who face the same issue as you DID. You shouldn't take a life for just one reason."
"Your child did not deserve to die as a consequence. It is not fair for the child to die because of your choice. Do you really think you know what is best for your child? Killing him/her?"...it was never meant to be..." Your child would have had a future, a life, and a hope to live, but no. You crushed his/her future. Why did you destroy a person's life? You could have given him/her a future by putting him/her for adoption. Some other family would have given him/her a good future while you would have been relieved that you know that you had not killed the baby. However, you had an abortion.I'm sorry if this offends you a lot, but it is not right for killing a human being. Think about it..."
"will, it doesn't mean you make your child to pay of what the person did to you. if you are the victim here so your child too. you punish the innocent human being."
"I am 100% prochoice. Pregnancy can be very traumatic. Slavery is supposed to be illegal, so support a woman's right to choose what happens to her body."
"And what about the person inside of her. What happens to this person's choice?"
"It is a woman's choice to have sex and become pregnant. Unless she was raped but that is not the case in about 99% of abortions."
"Should abortion be legal? There is an average of 1.3 million abortions per year and One out of five pregnancies end in abortion. Women aged 20-29 receive 55% of all abortions, and 40% of all women have an abortion by the age of 45. Although there are about 1,800 abortion providers in the United States, 87% of US countries do not provide abortion services. According to Harry Reid , the Senate Majority leader , believes that abortion should be legal due to safety reasons. Harry Reid said ,"I think that no matter how you stand on the issue of abortion, people who make that decision should do it and not have to be worried about infections and some butcher like this doing the bad things that they did. It should be in a place that is clean and sterile and have people who know what they're doing and care about what they do."I personally think abortion should be legal because either way people try to prevent it, woman will always find a way to have an abortion. Why risk their lives when there can be many ways to control this process. People should open more clinics that provide more professionals that know this procedure."
"Yes. The Supreme Court validated a woman's right to choose. It's as simple as that."
"It's your right to choose to have an abortion, there are more positives to abortion the negatives."
"Experiences is what defines us as being human. The things that each person goes through in their life is what makes us "us". An unborn fetus has no experiences and could to some extent be considered nothing more that a parasite leeching off the life force of the mother who may not want the child. The are many reasons why a mother may want to not give birth to a child and in the end point is that it is freedom that is desired. So the point is that you are removing an unborn child with no identity or personality of any kind."
"I think it is funny how most the Con comments are just outright "nup it's murder, and that's that" while Pro comments go into detail with their argument. Abortion should be up to the potential parent. It's a tough choice to make, but it should be just that; a choice."
"I agree, Anus. It should be a woman's choice, especially when you look at all the factors that are involved with taking care of that little brat. I mean, are you ready to give up your life, and pursuits for someone who will either be a little burden, or a bully to others, or wind up on interpol, or the FBI's 10 most wanted before 21? Do you want to be burdenized, because the priority is that kid, and not your own life, and wind up getting ulcers, because of the stress of taking care of a child, not to mention the debt that you will accumulate with things such as doctor's visits, and psycoloigists, due to the mistake you made? I say, it isn't worth it, especially if you have to work more than one job to support the mistake you made, that an abortion can prevent. And to that other malarchy about the god thing, I suppose the antis out there agree with both Richard Mourdoch and Todd Aikens statements in regards to pregnancies as a result of rape or incest, don't you antis? I'm sure alot of you do, only you don't want to admit it. So, it should be a choice. Pro choice means you are in favor or letting a person MAKE the choice (choice, antis, not force, which is YOUR point of view). End of story."
"sometimes one word is all we need to describe a situationmurder"
"I am pro-choice, but I'm almost uncomfortable posting my comment--with attacks coming from people like JDH, a 31-year-old working woman that pays taxes and has a child, posting snide comments in reply to younger people. I am pro-choice simply because I don't believe that the government should have control over this. It's ridiculous. Women should have control over what happens to their body. If you're pro-"life", don't get an abortion. All of you pro-life people aren't thinking of the child AFTER its birth. If the mother didn't want it, but she was FORCED to have it, would you be willing to take care of it? Taking away free will is completely out of the question. Do I believe that abortion is not a good form of birth-control, and it's misused by a lot of 16-year-old girls? Of course. Abortion shouldn't be a back-up plan."
"@Victor.Waitwaitwait.I understand it now, ignore the first reply."
"@Victor, you have replied to many of my comments. <3 I must say my good man, whenever I read one of your comments, I have to read it a couple of times to fully understand it. Props to you. Whether or not JDH was a bot is irrelevant. I noticed "her" verbally attacking people and used it to make my opinion matter. Maybe it's because my intelligence is failing me, or your poor wording--but 87% of your comment confused me.Perhaps you could try dumbing it down?Much thanks."
"@JDH.Your post amuses me, ma'am. 1. I obviously said enough, considering you responded to me. 2. What on Earth made you think I'm male? I happen to be female. I have a feeling that me, being pro-choice instead of pro-baby, gave you the idea that I have a d**k.3. Who said anything about forcing people to get an abortion? I just think they shouldn't be forced NOT to. 4. Religion isn't a valid argument, period. 5. I guess you'll just have to watch people continue to get abortions. 6. C0D3**"
"I suspect, C0D3, That JDH was a bot, or someone who claimed to have a "son", but really didn't. Just remember, this is online.True, the pro-life are very selfish and horrid people in the sense that they want to force their point of view on people, which is wrong, but they hate it when people disagree with them. Kind of like the free speech community.Besides abortions can get rid of alot of future criminals, and people who may be born disabled, and be a heavy burden on the economy. And to respond to one person saying if the one who got an abortion as well as the father commit suicide, well, they didn't buy any of my products, or do a tribute site to me, so good riddance to them. You can't buy this kind of honesty, and if you antis did that, I'd be cheering, Now, if a mother doesn't want the kids, that is their right. I say, as I said before MORE ABORTIONS, MORE ABORTIONS, MORE F**KING ABORTIONS! The more the merrier, especially if there are more antis on here, since it will get rid of you anits as well. End of story."
"I am pro life, and yes, I would take a child if a mother didn't want it. I would raise and love it with all my heart. I have 2 grown children almost 7 grandchildren, and I was a foster parent to over 40 kids. And they are all grown, have children of their own, and I still have good relationships with them. There is a way to save lives. Human beings are valuable, and the most defenseless of all are the unborn. I would take every last one of them if I could. Life, life, life! Children are worth it! I say go back to the coat hangers, put your own life on the line, you may have done something worthy of death. They haven't."
"Prochoice is prolife in my opinion. Our bodies, our rights, our choices."
"Prochoice is prolife IMHO."
"if you are saying the mother is not willing to take care of the baby than why doesnt she give it up for adoption?"
"Yes. I. Am. A. Bot. Really guys?? You've convinced yourself that not only do I not have a child but that I'm a bot?? Wow!! COD3 you have never used one of my posts to make your opinion matter because you never actually say anything. Is that snide enough for you? You want young kids to have abortion BEFORE they are educated on what they are really doing and I don't think that's fair. I believe that abortion is murder for reasons neither of you could ever understand or respect because according to you, religion isn't a valid argument. What I will say is that I thank God neither of you is a doctor who can perform abortions AND since you both have penises, neither of you can ever ABORT a baby either. So us antis don't have to worry about you two becoming murderers. On the other hand, Victor, you get to sit and poop your pants over the fact that WE will continue to give birth."
"An unwanted pregnancy is a kidnapping of a woman by a fetus (an "unborn person"). Just as anyone kidnapped has a right to escape by any means, including murder of the kidnapper, so a woman kidnapped by an "unborn person" has a right to escape through an abortion. Even the Old Testament argues that people don't exist until birth (Job 10:18-19: Why then have you brought me out of the womb? Oh, that I had perished and no eye had seen me! I would have been as though I had not been." Note Job did NOT say, "Why then have you brought me INTO the womb?" Abraham's god clearly teaches that existence begins with birth, NOT conception (which, by the way, was not discovered until after the microscope was invented."
"I can not believe you are using the term "kidnapped". You and the person you had sex with created the baby. You could however use something man created called "birth control" to help alleviate some of the kidnappings. I am glad though that you used the term "murder", because that is exactly what it is."
"How can something that you helped to create be kidnapping you? It can't hold you down or control you, and about 99% of the time, it's your fault the baby is even there"
"Job 10: 18-19 never says anything about becoming a human being at birth. I actually wrote these verses down as a Pro Life argument!"
"because women need to have all the rights they fought and worked for."
"It is no one's right to tell anyone else what they can do with their bodies. Not your job. Pregnancy isn't punishment. My body, not yours."
"Abortion should remain legal under the roe vs wade decision, and follow the limitations laid down by that ruling and further rulings. There is no scientific reasoning to say that "a" human being begins at conception .. sure there is life, but life that is no different to any other cell in the human body.The fundamental argument of the anti-choice campaign is primarily religious based, again a premise that has no logical foundation in scientific fact. Should we therefore base laws on unproven theology, as apposed to proven science. Point of fact, prior to the formation of the embryo all the cells are the same, yet some will become the embryo, others will become the placenta, if, as anti-choicers insist, that "a" human being starts at conception does this not mean that the cells that become the placenta are also worthy of human rights and should be protected? Clearly that idea would be inane even to the anti-choice people.Moralistic arguments have little value in this debate given that morals are fluid and a likely to change through societies developments. The stoning of non-believers was considered morally just in Jesus's time, is that still correct?"
"It is the right of a woman and the government shouldn't have anything to do with it. There is too many teen pregnancies and single mothers struggling to get by. When you have a kid, it should be because you want to not because you have to; no kid deserves to grow up thinking that he/she is what ruined the mother's life."
"We know with 100% certainty that women are alive. Women have heartbeats and a brain that functions. As far as the fetus is concerned, when life begins is completely irrelevant. We do not require anyone else in society to be an obligate donor. No one is required to donate blood, marrow, or a kidney to anyone else, even their own child. Pregnancy is risky. 1 in 4800 women in the US die of pregnancy complications, and that is just the number that die. May more suffer complications, some minor such as losing the ability to control one's bowels, and some major, such as eclampsia. No one should be required to give their health, wellbeing, or life to another. That is a personal choice that must be given, not taken. Women have the right to control their health, wellbeing, and women have the right to protect their lives. Abortion protects this right."
"Charlie: I found the numbers. According to the Women's Center 0.6 per 100 000 abortion procedures result in death. So that is significantly safer than pregnancy."
"Charlie: Abortion is much much less risky than pregnancy. Please do look up the numbers. I believe the numbers right now are that over 85% of abortions in the US are in the first trimester, and first trimester abortions have a less than 1% major complication rate, and even those major complications dwarf the major complications associated with pregnancy.I actually know several woman who have gotten abortions, and none of them had any complication at all. However, I do know many women who have suffered seriously due to their pregnancy including an acquaintance who is now on permanent disability due to injuries as a result of her pregnancy."
"You do know that abortion can result in a lot of health complications right even when preformed by a doctor."
"Religious arguments never hold up in court. "because it's wrong" is not a valid statement that holds up in court. I see it as a woman's choice, all choices we make in life have a positive AND negative impact. That's a freedom we have right there; to make a choice. There's no need to implement fear onto others...how about just facts. Ignorance and ethnocentric views will only harm you. This needs to be viewed in a cultural relativistic perspective. Just because someone is different or makes a different choice doesn't mean it's wrong. However your perception is your reality to an extent. Options should be available for women out there...There are all these issues with the moral fabric of society, values, etc. Well take into account cultural imperialism... if abortion was illegal...then that will force women to assimilate into a society said to value freedom of choices... yet they're being made to give birth..Whereas it is legal now.. but no one is forcing a large population who has different values to abort. (generally speaking of course.) This is not a "I'm right you're wrong issue"... because that's childish and this issue is not to be taken lightly. There are always compromises and potential solutions."
"I find it interesting that prolifers will fight tooth and nail to keep an unborn child from dying, yet turn a blind eye to whaling and deforestation. Is humanity really worth more than the beauty of nature? Once that's gone, it can never come back, but from what I've heard, they don't care as long as their beliefs aren't compromised."
"Ignore if my above comment shows (I am experiencing some lag.)I find it interesting how you vaule a beautiful landscape over humanity. I have nothing against environmentals, but when people become more passioned about saving a tree over a human life, that is when I get worried. I am against whaling as well, but my feelings against the murdering of a human are much stronger."
"I am for abortion because every woman has a different reason for terminating a birth and that is the mother's decision, not the law's."
"I believe that the church has influenced the "con" people and the church shouldn't have a say in the laws that the government makes, it should be up to the person individually not by people who aren't in that situation"
"Women deserve the right to control their own bodies. The fact that people think they can tell women what to do with their bodies is bordering on totalitarianism. Also, to the people who are pro-life, you actually believe that if a young girl gets raped she should have her life ruined by being forced to have a child? If abortion's are not legal, it won't make people stop getting them. It will simply make them resort to other methods because they are desperate. Dangerous and illegal surgeries, pushing themselves down stairs, and many other horrible methods would be the result. To the Christians who insist that it goes against the Bible, you should study up because no where in the Bible does it ever say abortion should not be allowed or anything even nearly related. Abortion is the choice of the woman and in many cases is best- why bring unwanted children into the world, most of whom will just be put up for adoption and spend their childhoods in facilities? Just like the food you eat and clothes you wear are YOUR choices, to have or not have a child is their choice. Who are you to say otherwise?"
"why does it always have to be half and half here where is the middle ground.don't you consider that there are different situations surrounding every case. if your about to go into labor and want and abortion that makes zero sense. while getting one in the beginning months is painless to the fetus they won't be aware of it in the first place. in most cases abortions should be legal espicailly if they endanger the life of the mother. I also believe that if the mother chooses abortion for a non medical reason that is her choice.the fetus is hardly aware of anything to be honest and when I was a baby I had no memory of that time period rarely anyone does.really its not our concern what happens to the fetus until its born. also abortion doesn't happen only in our species it happens with other mammals like fish naturally.even the human body in its own way has millions of abortions. do you realize how hard it is for a zygote to be formed much less pass through the immune system undected and make it to the uterus without being attacked by white blood cells!!!???90 percent of time the body will attack the egg before it can even result in pregency or it will die.plus the body miscarries to. abortion is actually a natural process that happen"
"So if someone is unaware of their surroundings or does not have a good memory then it is alright to get rid of them? Is this how we measure life: intelligence? What about mentally retarded people or older people suffering from alzheimers? Is their right to life dismissed because they are not as mentally aware as you or I? The debate is not over natural abortion, it is over intended abortion. Death is natural and inevitable too, but that does not mean people should put themselves in dangerous situations."
"Approximately 219 women die worldwide each day from an unsafe abortion. I think we should focus on this fact more than why women get abortions(that is there own private business). There are women dying out there because they don't want to let there unborn child suffer because they are incapable of taking care of it. Isn't that saying something about them, that they really need this. Also, in one of the cons it stated that "The majority of reasons why women get abortions are selfish", isn't it selfless to care more about if your unborn child is going to suffer than if you are going to live. Those people who agree with out-lawing abortion, you are putting the lives of unborn children ahead or the lives of living breathing American women because whether or not you out-law it it is going to happen anyway because it is a necessity."
"Another person would never have legal claims to my body tissues, organs, or blood, even when it's crucial for their survival. A fetus isn't sentient, nor capable of feeling pain until long after the deadline for a legal abortion, so why are we giving it rights to a woman's body that no sentient human even has in the first place? Many anti-choice comments seem to imply that the fetus is sentient, but it is not capable of thinking or feeling. If I had been aborted, I would not be questioning why or thinking about the life I would've had, I would simply NEVER HAVE EXISTED. I'm completely against the murder of a sentient being, but sadly, a fetus does not belong in that category."
"It's the mothers' choice. It is her body , and she has the right to do whatever she wants to do with it. The government shouldnt control the body."
"So self-mutilation and suicide should be legal? At what point, specifically, does the fetus cease being "the woman's body" and start having it's own?"
"Abortion is a womans choice and not the governments nobody should have control of what a woman chooses to do with her body. I noticed in the comments that people say its killing a baby but this FETUS does not feel any pain until about 20 weeks after conception and after that 20 weeks you are legally not able to have an abortion. The fetus feels no pain"
"So self-mutilation should be alright, too? (Currently it's still illegal in a couple states) So as long as there's no pain involved, that justifies it? I hope you aren't against euthanization of the elderly, or lethal injection. Supposedly there's no pain involved with those, either."
"women's choice for her body. less living off the government less unwanted children in bad homes"
"I am for abortion remaining legal because our society fails to provide and protect unwanted children. These children grow up in poverty and are more likely to end up in the penal system.I am also pro-choice because rape or incest is horrific enough; imagine the psychological trauma of being forced to endure a pregnancy which is a daily physical reminder of that trauma. We would have fewer abortions if access to birth control and sex education classes talked about birth control. It is interesting how the states which have the largest percentages of people who oppose abortion also oppose anything other than abstinence only education...they also have the highest abortion rates and highest poverty rates. Other genetic conditions not covered, such as Tay-sacs guarantee that the child will die within three years of an excruciating death. There is no cure. To force a child to bear that horror while their family looks on is unconscionable. It isn't just parents avoiding mentally retarded children. If abortion were illegal, desperate women would not have the safety of a medical doctor performing the procedure. This is a secular nation and forcing the beliefs of one religion onto everyone is un-American."
"I like the way you think, Greta, I totally agree with you. I agree also that we need more sex education and access to birth control, but unfortunately, it is the conservative crapheads that prevent people from getting that. I am glad to see a woman who is pro-choice, and wants it legalized. You don't find too many in that. By legalizing it, you can give people the option to have it. I am so glad the guy who killed George Tiller is in jail, but the punishment didn't fit the crime unfortunately. He was a hero to me.Glad to hear also that you are using a secular notion. I salute you."
"i believe anonymous has got some point but when your life is ended at the time when you were even not born, and you even don't know the good and bad parts of life, nobody is sure whether one has stolen away one's right. We should not just think about these kinda things only. does anybody care about those suffering young girls (pregnant) who have lost their beautiful time just because of "GOODBYE" of their boyfriends? What about those women raped and discarded and the result turns out bad to only them? Abortion should be made legal and most of female willing to have abortion are youngsters. Some may have physical problems too. Why should the government decide about the thing which can change the whole life of a woman just to save a fetus which is not even developed enough to be called a baby?"
"1) Because they're 'unwanted'? What about 'unwanted' 3-day old babies? Or 'unwanted' 3 week old babies? Or 'unwanted' 3 month old toddlers? How exactly does the fact that the child (a human being, btw. If it's not a human being, then wtf *is* it, may I ask?) hasn't gone through the birth canal yet justify it's termination? 2) I agree, rape and incest are horrific. But A) they are only 1% of cases, and B) I don't think two wrongs necessarily make a right. 2) The problem with your genetic argument is slippery-slope.... the same rationale you used could just as easily be applied to certain people in a coma, people on life support with diseases that "guarantee they're going to die anyway" If you want to use that as justification for abortion, then fine, but two (additional) points: A) There would have to be some sort of genetic test done before abortion would be allowed, and B) I hope you aren't against euthanizing the elderly, either. It would be illogical to be so. As to your last point: Religion (or notions of morality, at the least) ALWAYS are forced on everyone. *You* yourself are guilty of "forcing" your (moral ie religious) belief that abortion "ought" to be legal on everyone else."
"So basically we should go down the street and murder any street urchins we find because they most likely will end up in prison. Should we also drill holes in their heads and scrape out stem cells before we kill them."
"So basically- you're- saying our society is too corrupt. So its okay to kill unborn babies- because they would be "high risk."As a kid myself, (16) I find that INCREDIBLY insulting. If I happened to be one of those fetuses, I would much rather my parents give me a chance to live life, rather than, because of their own judgement, just end my life right then. Wouldn't you? I might even go so far as to connect that to modern day. If this were the true way to act/think and if this was a solid justification, isn't that a little contradictory to many of the chartities that exist for children who live in misfortune in third world countries? Aren't they in worse conditions- there are babies being born right now that will have to fight for their lives much harder than, I believe, we ever will here in America- and of course we send money to support a non-profit organization so they can have a chance at life-which we should do. Your saying however, in a America, it's justified for people to deny their OWN children the right to live because it's to "high risk," and basically they wouldn't even have a chance. That's just down right wrong. It makes absolutely NO sense. End of story."
"you know it's easy to say i don't think YOU should get an abortion. but, dear speaker, do you have to deal with the problems of this persons pregnancy? do you have to pay for the medical bills? do you come from a bad back ground? do you have a s*** job that doesn't pay enough to support yourself? do you have some genetic disorder that you don't want to pass on to any child because it will completely ruin their life? no? then i suggest you take your soap box somewhere else."
"Neither do you, sir. So, if that is your argument, then why should we not get a say but you do?"
"There should be a choice. I thought this was America. If you don't want an abortion, don't get one."
"Of course they should be legalized. I mean, if the antis, or the cons only realized that their anti view only would make people more pro, I bet they would die of shock, which would be good on our part. I mean, the selfish people who keep the kids are only thinking of themselves, especially with lack of jobs, school bullying, and future criminals, such as the cons would reproduce, it would be alarming. As far s abortions go, would you people want your taxes raised, because of the extra burdens that come with raising a child, such as overcrowded prisons, new gang members, and future child molestors? If you do, you are being very selfish. Abortions are much better, since they prevent more people like the cons from coming into the world, less criminals, and future prisoners coming into the world, and better finances, and people can still go on with their lives. Besides, it would be a better place, since this way, there will be enough resources for all, and not a heavy burden on the world's economy. Sure there will be alot more suicides, but think of all the people you hate not being here anymore. Would be a pleasent place, right? No more burdens. That is all"
"Number, one, I don't have a child, okay. So, on the part of not having guts to raise it, that is laughable.Number 2, being deprived of a child saved you alot, especially with this economy the way that it is, and not to mention the burden on tax payers when they would've wound up being disabled, or spending the rest of their miserable lives on prison, or awaiting the letha injection.You're destroyed? Well, I don't have anything for you, as far as that one goes, and it wouldn't matter one way or the other, especially since I don't even know if what you are saying is true or not, nor would it bother me.Finally, if you spoke to the people who had kids, and saw how miserable they were, you wouldn't make a statement like that, so I say onto yee more abortions, more abortions, MORE ABORTIONS! End of story."
"children arent burdens!! if you never wanted a child in the first place, then why "do it"? you are being selfish by not having the guts to raise YOUR child. being deprived of having a child destroyed me... i would do anything to have seen my little boys face for the first time.."
"If someone does not wish to go through with a pregnancy they shouldn't be forced to."
"@David.Sex isn't a bad thing. If I want to spread my legs, I will. I'm sorry virgins like you don't understand that. Try it sometime."
"@JDH.I was never worried about your comments--you're assuming things. That, or we're not communicating effectively."
"us virgins understand the consequences of sex and thats probably why we dont have it yet not until we are ready..."
"they why in the hell why would she open her legs for ! UH"
"COD3...and you're worried about my comments with the under 18 crowd??? Wow."
"abortions are, quite simply, a person's right. Religious arguments against this are unconstitutional."
"Then look at secular arguments man. There's a whole website for atheists and agnsotics that are against abortion. In fact I read an interview with one where he said that atheists are biased because they'll dismiss all pro-life arguments as religious nonsense, and they don't look at all the science supporting that life begins at conception. And since science is pretty much the religion of nonbelievers, you should listen to science all the time and not just when it's convenient to."
"it is a woman's right to choose abortion is a "fundamental rightsperson-hood begins at birth,not at conception"
"So by that definition then a mother could abort her child at 8 or 9 months because technically it's not a person?"
"There is no reason"
"I think there is a point that has been undermined lately within this controversy. That point is that the decision to get an abortion is not in any way shape or form easy for a women. It isn't just another daily question going through their head it is a big life decision. A women never gets an abortion because she wants to, she does it because she has to. It is never a selfish decision it is for the good of the unborn chid. I would rather let someone have an abortion than let a child suffer because the mother was not able to provide for him/her from the beginning."
"I will first make the assumption that your comment refers to women in first world countries. If that is so then why would the child suffer when there is welfare, free health care, wic, and other programs? As well as that there is the choice of adoption. If the mother is not able to provide for her child then she could seek out government help or if she does not want the child then she could give the child to someone who does. There are many infertile couples, gay couples, and single parents who are looking to start a family. To choose to be ignorant of these other choices is not protecting a child from suffering but justifying murder."
"abortion should be legel because if a women get raped, everyday they dont want to look at that child and remember what happened so many years ago. say it was incest do you want to really want to be reminded of a father, brother or any other male family member that did that to you, i dont think so. Think about it maybe you will finally understand."
"im for abortion women should be able to choose what they want or not and yes it is terminating something but its done when the baby is still an embryo its murder when it becomes a fetus and people should be able to have options and regardless if there are people waiting to get children that are adopting if the woman doesnt want to carry the child and give it away she dosent have to she should be able to decide and so what she wants"
"Lets say you get pregnet and your in lets say high or middle school whould you rather have the choise to continue your education or live with a baby and you could never get a good job to support that child because you never finished high school that child will suffer. It's better to have the child die while its not capable to think insted of have to live with the fact that your mother GAVE YOU UP. Stay out of other peoples lifes. It is the WOMANS body, HER choice NOT YOURS get over it. If your not happy with the fact that SHE wanted to kill her baby that WAS NOT born then keep your mouth shut. It's HER baby deal with it."
"Abortion and reproductive freedom more broadly defined are important pieces of ensuring this common dream. To obtain a better future, we each must be free to make profoundly personal decisions about our reproductive lives without unwarranted government intrusion. An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn). A child may ruin a woman's career or her daily life. Of course, some women don't have the time to take care of a child. Sometimes the woman is not ready for a child yet."
"I'm vet much afraid of our government having that kind if control over people. Not so much the abortion itself but to outlaw a certain procedure because some believe it is morally objectionable. To cite a more direct problem; the "life begins at conception law." To pass this law would also outlaw IVF treatments. Would you deny women the ability to have a child too?? Because IVF conceives multiple embryos yet only implants a few. You can choose to freeze others but some are invariably tossed at the eight cell stage because of lack of growth. If life begins at conception then this is also considered murder. And lastly, if pro-lifers want to fix a problem then be part of the solution. Adopt a child instead if popping out more children if your own if you feel so strongly about the issue."
"yes ,abortion is a personal choice, i do not need some one else to tell me what to do with an unwanted kid do to many different reasons, again everything is based on people religion,you have to do what they like and you cannot make your own decision?"
"Is it really taking a life by having an abortion. Life in my opinion is being able to live or sustain life independently. Is a person who is brain dead,hooked up to a ventolator, and has a feeding tube alive. How about just taking the baby out of the mother prematurely, if it lives then it has a chance at life, if not than it was really never truly alive. Women should not be forced to give birth. I feel it is extremely intrusive and distasteful to even presume to get involved in trying to control somebody's body. Last time I checked just because something isn't legal also doesn't mean it wont be done. All that will happen is many women will die or have complications while trying to have an illegal abortion."
"What do other's have a say in a woman's body? It's her choice to make for herself, not yours, mind you're own business Im not saying the CONS are wronge, its ok to feel that way but let them do "wrong" What if a 12 year old girl got raped? Would you just let her go through all that pain? Let the baby suffer knowing it was unwanted and never know it's fahter and be in an adoption center? NO. If if your christain and say tho shall not kil cuz ur all religous, that totally ok, but look up the crusades! Muslims, Jews,and Christains kill too! So believe what YOU want to"
""All religious"??? "Muslims, Jews, and Chrisitans kill"... okay, but does that make killing justified? "Religious" and moral views are ALWAYS involved, almost by definition, in discussing such matters. You say it is the woman's body, and the State "ought" not to interfere. That's a moral point of view, pal. If you're an atheist, it would be like me saying that atheists such as Stalin, Pol Pot, and the like, have interfered with the rights of people, (including, no doubt, their bodily rights ie their right to life) and therefore it is illogical to now want to protect a woman's right to her own body. It's just as (il)logical."
"I am pro on this subject because people could just have unsafe abortions and that would be harming more than one life. (The mothers and the fetuses)."
"I was raised by a single abusive male figure and always wished I had never been born. I was so desperate to be loved that I wasted 10 years on a man who ended up stalking me and then raping me after using my computer to find a ring for a girl he cheated with. I believe in using birth control so that no unwanted child is conceived...although every possible resource must be available to women to avoid unwanted children. There are already more than 7 billion people in this world, which cannot sustain this many people. We have to stop bringing more children into this world. Every night I go to sleep, I pray that I will not wake up. I have never been loved; although I have loved. But my mother is the only person I hate. I wish she had used birth control."
"no matter how many times your male figure raised your hand to you just remain strong pray to wake up because there is someone out there who is looking for you , to love you so that if one day you do die they will want to take the journey to heaven with you and you can watch that abusive man BURN IN HELL!!!!!"
"People should do what they want! They shouldn't be stopped to do what they choose, that takes away from the first amendment: Freedom Of Choice!! Let women do what they want instead of taking away from their rights"
"Abortion is a very important medical procedure. Say if the child has been proven it will be born with a terminal illness that will make it suffer to do anything in life. Such as the one skin condition the one man had where it bruised his skin with any contact against practically anything. And it practically fell off once. He passed away in his mid 20's. If I had a illness like that I would rather be aborted thank you.Plus, if a woman is the victim of rape, then she very well might need to get a abortion. I would not want to have the child of a rapist. And I doubt you would either. Plus it is not really a child yet, they have a word for what it is called and that is a fetus. Plus it is not exactly murder because it really is not exactly alive. Wouldn't be if it was not for its mother. And its not really your decision if some random women you don't know has a abortion or not. It doesn't really affect you. I read some comments on con, most of them where only opinions on why its "WRONG" one of them said that "Abortion is murder, thats it" which is such a arrogant comment I find. Sadly it has a high rating. Found this because of a persuasive essay I am writing. I am 16 years old, I wonder what the general age of this page is."
"I'd agree with you, if the diagnostics methods were more accurate. Sadly, they aren't. My friend's mom is pro-life. Guess what my friend was diagnosed with? Down syndrome. When his mom told me that story, I face-palmed."
"Many people consider abortion murder, I know what I'm about to say might not be part of the argument, but think of all the animals you kill and eat everyday. We humans only think of our own survival, we are all considered murderers on the inside. We consider abortion as a murder case, but how about the eggs you eat?"
"the eggs we eat are infertile"
"The eggs we are really eating are the chickens period so imagine eating the chickens period (that has nothing to do with abortions ) but I'm pro-life"
"Yes because what if you are a teenager and cannot afford it or what if you were rapped or what if you cannot afford it. I think women should have the right to make this choice"
"one word: ADOPTION!"
"i don't understand why people against abortion are trying to make a hard decision for someone else. abortion isn't a thing to take lightly, yes, but a woman's uterus should not belong to the whole country"
"A woman who isn't ready for a baby will not be a good mother. Children deserve mothers who are financially, emotionally and physically stable. A rape victim might not want to take care of a rapists child, and a teen mom might want to pursue her life goals rather than take care of child for the next 18 + years. If I know that my child and I would suffer, I would rather not have it at all"
"The children who are killed could've easily had a future by adoption. There are so many arguments to make against this, but to crush a soul, kill a human, why do it?"
"Right, but It was your choice you lay downa nd spread your legs, you have to think about that when your about to have sex, know with Rape I understand, but Not to kill the baby who hasn't even had a chance to live"
"she should't have sex point blank don't open your legs if you don't want the respnsibility"
"i was raped when i was 14... IM PRO-CHOICE because of what happend to me.. if u are in the same situation i was in when i was 14 you would probably see things the way i do. im 17 and honestly if i would have ended up pregnant.. and kept it i dont know that i would be able to look at my kid and when he or she asks where there father is what would u tell them? how could u face a little kid and tell them that there father raped u? its not right. another thing is for people who have been raped and cant provide for the kid. you dont want the kid to have a bad life. now if u r willingly having sex and u get pregnant. i think u should deal with being pregnant because ur the one who chose to have sex. u have to deal with the consiquence of ur actions."
"I was also raped when I was 14, too afraid to tell my parents, but my friends mom got me plan b. My life would have been over if I had gotten pregnant and there was no contraceptive."
"Come on. You are either prochoice or not."
"As a birth control activist Margaret Sanger has said: "No women can call herself free who does not own and control her own body." Especially if the baby has been conceived without the will of the mother, then her right of disposal supercedes the right of an unborn baby to live."
"Yeah, and Margaret Sanger was also an Eugenist. I think you might want to look a bit more into Sanger before you start quoting her. I would be ashamed to have anything to do with using her for an argument."
"Please give future generations a chance. Abortion fights crime, poverty, resource exhaustion, hunger, overpopulation, species extinction, and much more. We need a safer, less-crowded, less-desperate future for our children. I am a father. After over a decade of studying the facts in great detail I realized that my once slightly-pro-life stance was incompatible with the scientific truth. I feel there are some Americans who are unfortunately confused about what is best for our nation and investigating the abortion issue is something that most Americans do not care to do objectively enough to get past their emotionally-based conclusions. We need more than emotion and anecdotal evidence. We need reason, data, objectivity, AND compassion to come to the right decision. Protect the babies of the future. Support a woman's choice to have an abortion."
"Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinions and I believe you should live by your own morals, but just remember not everyone has the same morals as you. I, myself, am pro-choice up to a certain point. At 18 weeks a fetus can feel pain. No one wants to inflict pain. So I believe that if a woman wants to abort before then, she has that right. It's her own personal business. Then there's rape, and birth defects. There are obviously women who would still have a child if raped, but not all women feel that way. Some would just rather not. And if you knew your child had a good chance of being born with a serious birth defect. Again, obviously some would still have the child, but there are people would rather not. Not just for themselves but because they would not want their child to have to go through that. Also, if we want to talk about the potential of the child, then we must talk about the potential that all eggs and sperm have.. if given the chance. But no one is going around trying to save all of them.. :P"
"Although abortion isn't admirable, it should be legal up to the point when the fetus is developed enough to survive on its own.Considering that the world is beginning to encounter overpopulation, women should be allowed every possible alternative to having a baby.The notion that abortion is equal to murder is false. There is a definite difference between a fetus/embryo and a person. If fetuses are people, why aren't they counted in the census?If abortion is a type of murder, then by that train of thought, a miscarriage is a type of manslaughter. Obviously, it's ridiculously unfair to incarcerate women who miscarry, so the same attitude should go to abortion.Besides, it's not like women LIKE having abortions. Getting an abortion isn't fun; it's something that women premeditate immensely. If a woman wants an abortion, it's safe to assume that she has good reason.If you're pro-life, don't get an abortion. It's that simple. Don't boss other women around regarding what they do with their bodies, it's their choice and their problem only."
"I am Pro because no one has a choice to tell a women what to do with her body. I also belive that relgion has nothing to do with this and that if you antiabortionist care about people you would see that even though you make abortion illegal there will be back alley clinics where many women will die!"
"Abortion being legal or illegal shouldn't be a choice that is up to anyone but the woman or family having to make the choice. At the end of the day, if abortion is illegal, you are taking away a woman's right. If you don't believe in abortion, don't do it, but don't judge women that do. You have no idea what they've been through or the situation they are going through. What is she was raped? What is she can't afford a child? Isn't it better for a woman to know she can't have the child instead of risking its life and having it live in poverty? Another thing, making illegal isn't going to dismiss the problem. Women are still going to get abortions, but by doing it themselves- in dirty and disgusting places. Now you are taking twp "lives." Abortion affects the women who have it go through it. It's probably not something anyone imagined themselves. It comes with guilt and extreme sadness. But sometimes, it's what needs to be done. So at the end of the day, the decision is up to the person who is in the situation, and unless it's you, you have no reason to tell a woman she can or can't do something."
"Abortion is, and should remain, a woman's right. Women should have control over their own bodies, as abortion is a private matter. If you are against abortion, then do not get an abortion. Please leave the option for the rest of us, however, as we may have extraordinary circumstances."
"If the mother is a young child, she deserves the choice of keeping the child in her stomach for 9 months or not living with the child. A young woman walking around her school with a pregnant woman would be called rude terms such as ,"slut," by her friends and classmates. This would most likely result in death of the mother and fetus. Abortion should remain legal."
"If saving "life" is the overriding concern, driving woman to back alley abortionists will result not only in the loss of the fetus, but potentially the mother as well and with her, any future children she might have born. More lives are at risk, not fewer. If we are to be pro-life, then we should first become anti-war, anti-death penalty advocates, focusing on the already living, who have long established histories, connections, relationships, families as opposed to the yet to be born. Or has their right to life been forfeited, and if so, who has made that determination for them?"
"@JDH - there are several pieces of legislation pending (AZ and others) to restrict birth control. Through this legislation, woman who use birth control, unless for a medical condition, can be fired. And in the case of an I.U.D., conception is not prevented."
"Ah, KWM, don't waste your time with people like the antis. They're an ANTI, which means LOVE the people going into the back alleys, and seeing future pictures of people on Interpol, as well as the FBI's 10 most wanted, don't you antis? Maybe you are the ones who need to be in an orange suit, for bringing in future Bugsy Siegels, or the shooter from Newton, or Aurora, right? Why don't you admit it. Besides, I bet they would agree with Richard Mourdock, or Todd Aikin's statement.As far as having future babies being born? Maybe that might be good that they don't have it. The world has too many people, the economy is down, and unemployment is at an all time high. Would having a child coming into that be beneficial for them? I think not, and what if the child is a burden, due to a disability? Can you imagine the scar and stigma the kid will have? I sure wouldn't want that.As far as who made that determination what your last statement? Hopefully not the antis, because if they did, I dread to see what the future will hold. We got a preview of it in 2012, I shudder to think what would happen in 2013."
"It's called birth control and any woman can get a prescription and in a lot of cases she can even get it for free."
"Sure, abortion is murder, but what gives you the right to tell someone they can't do it? People will always try to abort their babies even if there isnt a certified doctor there. People will find other ways to do it. Would you rather have people put their lives in danger trying to get rid of their baby or have someone there who knows what they're doing?Would you rather have a uncertified neurosurgeon give you a surgery that could change the well-being of your life, or a person who KNOWS what they're doing? Would you rather have an amateur perform heart surgery on you or an educated doctor?Think about it"
"Well, American citizens have the right to free speech, so we all can "tell" someone they can't do it.The USA Government doesn't have rights, but it has powers, and one such is to keep the peace. Murder has always been viewed as disturbing the peace, and so the government has the power to prevent you from murdering, or punish you for doing it.You can't say that abortion is murder and then say that abortion should stay legal, because murder is already illegal, and if it weren't, I would suggest leaving the country."Would you rather have people put their lives in danger trying to get rid of their baby or have someone there who knows what they're doing?"Based on your starting concession:Would you rather have someone endanger their lives to commit murder, or hire a trained assassin?"
"We live in a country founded on the principles of freedom. While opinions may differ on the morality of abortion, I truly believe that all woman should have the right to CHOOSE for themselves. While it is easy to sit back and declare abortion to be "wrong", we as individuals cannot truly understand a person's viewpoint unless we have lived their life. We cannot understand their morales, thought proccess, or feelings. Sometimes, no matter how hard it is to relize, we need to understand that life may be better for both the mother and child if the child is never born. In the end, isnt it better to simply not be born than to be born into a life of poverty and suffering? As for the people who do not support abortion, fine. Do not undergo an abortion. But isnt it better for your fellow American, your fellow woman, to have the choice for a safe procedure? Do you truly wish to force these women into unsafe back-alley operating rooms? If we force them into that situation, they are much more likely to die, and then both mother AND child are dead. Can we as a society truly make these crucial life decisions for someone else? I honestly don't think we can. Everyone should at least have the choice of a safe and sanitary operation."
"I also do not believe in woman choosing to kill their child after it is born either.They should not have the freedom to kill their own children weather unborn or born. Both are very wrong. If you do not want a child that is what birth control is for.Use 2 or 3 different kinds if need be to make sure you do not have the child. I cannot believe that a woman can take a child's life instead of using birth control."
"I say yes for abortion but it should only be use in extreme cases like rapes or real accidents (protection broke). It should never be use as a form of birth control. A woman who ask for a second abortion should be put in a the hands of someone who can help her realize that abortion have to be taken as a serious case...Camasino Team"
"It's your in YOUR body, you don't have a say in what happens, the mother does. Even though I know that I personally could never do this, it is someone's choice too if they think it necessary."
"I am a pro-choice individual, however I do stand on one leg in favor of the pro-life movement.I do believe that killing a baby is wrong, and that you cannot know its true potential when you kill it before it even sees outside of its womb.However, whatever a woman does to her body is her choice. If a woman knows that she could not sustain a child or even raise it well why have it? It would be a better choice to kill the baby while it still hasn't seen suffering than to introduce the baby to it in the 1st place. It is completely a woman's choice to decide who's life she brings into this world and who's not to.Abortion should be an option open to everyone, if you do not want to hev an abortion just refuse to have one in the 1st place. Don't rob people of their rights because of your opinion...Abortion is indeed murder, but it is not something to be denied to someone if they do desire it."
"Even if you are against abortion, you have to keep in mind,A WOMEN HAS THE RIGHT TO HER BODY! no matter if you think its murder or inhumane, do you seriously know how many women are raped? its astounding, so if abortions were illegal that raped women would look at that baby and see hate and that terrible incident, so you can be against it all you want, keep it to yourself, fetuses that are terminated, are terminated for a reason, But there is NO EXCUSE to get multiple abortion, keep your legs closed, our economy is so bad that most people cant affor to take care of them, so its better sometimes to not have a child then not bein able to feed or cloth them, and if ur saying adoption, orphanages would be overflowing and would send our economy in a faster downward spiral, the option of abortion should be available to all women. no matter how YOU feel."
"so does the babys to theirs"
"A Women has a right to have an Abortion! Because a baby should not come into this world unwanted! People say to put them up for adoption, No, because the odds are against them to be adopted and so many children are already up for adoption. It is not killing a human, if it was never born the women is still pregnant. Women will go to back alley abortions because they are desperate because they dont want to have this baby that they most likely can't provide for."
"Abortion illegal? well then make it illeagal to masturbate too. A fetus doesn't have any life experince etc I think it's disgusting how you think a human's fetus is more worth than animals."
"Human sex cells aren't on their way to becoming humans until they meet their conjugate pair."
"the choice should always be available and then educate people to make the right choice for themselves based on their circumstances."
"people an make their own decision . I think women should be able to get abortions because you don't know what shes been thru too get pregnant . You guys cant just look at it as killing another human that can be brought into this world !!"
"'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof' (Bill of Rights, Amendment 1). Anti-abortion laws are unconstitutional. It is nobody's right to control how a woman controls her body, and that includes abortion too."
"This is completely hypocritical because you are not letting that unborn baby have free excercise of what they want."
"It's your life your decision good or bad"
"@JDH.The baby is inside the mother's body, is it not?"
"@Alexis.Are you saying that the "baby"s right holds more than the MOTHER'S? How wrong you are, my friend."
"ummmm actually it's not his/her life it''s the babies life that is inside of them and it is not right to kill it point blank period!!!!!!!"
"COD3, what happened to equal rights? Why should the mother have more rights?"
"Most of the Con arguments are that people aren't being responsible and they aren't using condoms or birth control so they have to face their consequences. But condoms and birth control are not 100% affective. And in the case that people are raped, they have no choice but to be pregnant. Pregnancy isn't always a choice. And if a woman, young or old, knows they are not responsible enough to deal with pregnancy, let alone a child, they deserve every right to abort. And I am aware there are other ways of preventing pregnancy and of course, use those, FIRST. Abortion should be the last choice. By making abortion illegal, there are high chances of women performing "Back- Alley" abortions which is extremely dangerous and often lead to serious injury or death. So, would you rather have a woman die or an undeveloped fetus die? Before the first 20 weeks of pregnancy, the fetus has not developed the biological nerves to feel any pain. So, there is no pain inflicted onto the fetus. It is NOT brutal murder. It is not murder. A person does not become a person at conception a person becomes a person at birth. To go through the process of pregnancy and birth cost a lot of money that most people cannot afford that is whyadoptionisnt alwaysachoice"
"In that case, Daniel and the antis thank you for contributing to the cause. I salute you for it, lol.As far as abortions go, they are the best alternative, especially to the problems to the economy, and not to mention, the baby being there and being a burden on the mother, because of the problems it will bring, and not to mention what if it is disabled, right? Plus the guy she didn't want to be with will have a link to her. Abortion prevents it.Besides, the mother is thinking of the baby first, especially since she realizes that she isn't ready to give the child what it needs and ends her pregnancy. If you antis were a little more intelligent, you would realize that it isn't selfish to have an abortion, but alot of them are too stupid to know better.If more people had abortions, there would be less crime, prisons wouldn't be crowded, and alot less haters would be around. Besides, as far as adoption goes, you don't know who is going to get the baby, could be someone worse than the anits on here who will pump the kids head with stupidity, or molest them. Is it worth it? No."
"@cara, no it isn't. That was the same argument Todd Aiken used, and look at what happened to him as a result of that stupid mentality. Abortions would be a blessing, especially since you don't have to put extra money on a little monster who will be worse than Charlie Manson, or Uday Hussein, or whatnot, and wind up either on the FBI's 10 most wanted, or interpol. The unborn child will be a burden on society, especially on the economic level, and do you want to struggle to make ends meet, because of your decision to keep the little monster, and contribute to crime, and gangs, and all that? If you do, then who is the selfish one? Not me. Besides, as far as rape, why would a woman want to keep something that reminded her of a horrible experience? You're hurting society with that argument. Abortion would prevent the tie to someone you don't want to be with, or remind you of the person on a daily basis, and I don't think anybody wants that. The women who do it, are thinking of the child."
"I get so sick of people using the justification of it's only a fetus not a person to justify their conscience. You know that it is going to become a human being...if it's not a baby then you're not pregnant! Also with the whole rape argument. It might sound harsh but aborting just because you were raped is kind of selfish. The unborn child is innocent and you want to murder him/her because you had a bad experience? Killing the baby won't erase anything. The whole back alley argument is totally irrelevant."
"Well abortions SHOULD cost a lot, the reason why they're cheap is because the taxes of people who hate abortion are paying for them."
"Yes, abortions should be legal because if the woman is raped or is unable to take care of the child at the time or threaten their life or they could be underage and don't have the ability to have a child, they should not have to take care or give birth to the child at the time."
"I like the way you think, casey fitzpatrick. I like your honesty. It's about time someone said that, especially to these anti abortion people. I suppose they want their taxes going up, to take care of all the problems that come up, such as single moms being unable to raise their kids, and the kids being abandoned by the people who got the girl pregnant in the first place, and then leaving them. Abortion is the answer. Besides, with all the crime, and unemployment, and lack of anything out there, why bring a kid into this world, only to make them depressed later, due to being unable to get work, or have a chance at something good. We need more people like you in this world, so pro-choice all the way. Abortion rocks. I say, the more the merrier. We need them, especially since there will be more problems in the world if we let the population get bigger."
"On the other hand, for those who are not welfare recipients, should have the right to have an abortion where and when she pleases. I could probably gaurantee you ,those who are better off financially, are probably not as careless. Making the decision to have an abortion or to continue on with the pregnancy should be made by the woman who is pregnant and possibly her significant other. The Government and all other groups including religion need to mind their own business. If the woman needs couseling to make a decision then let her have it. It is hard enough in a world that is so domesticated and superficial, don't make it any worse for us. Pregnancy can do lots of bad things to our bodies."
"I like the way you think, Blonda. I couldn't agree more. I really agree with you on this one."
"You are my hero too!"
"So should we 'mind our own business' when a mother is torturing a day old baby? Or killing it? What difference, exactly, does a 7 inch birth canal trip and a few months make, exactly? EG why should a woman have a right to kill a baby who is <20 weeks old, but not older? I'm sorry to have to say it, but murder *is* the State's business. Bad things? Like what, exactly? Are you aware that there are seriously damaging effects associated with abortion, as well? Psychological trauma, increased risk of breast cancer, etc"
"I am a woman, and I believe that as a woman, I should have every right to make my own decisions what happens to my body. Why should tax payers make that decision? They didn't raise me. America is a country of freedom of speech and choice. Our countries economy cannot afford to continue giving welfare recipients cash assistance, medical, housing, and food stamps for those who do not make right choices. I believe it makes better sense to provide funding for welfare recipients to have an abortion but also limit them. If a recipient continues to be careless, then there needs to be some sort of discipline. Perhaps getting her tubes tide would be a good discipline."
"@JDH.Of course it is.A grown woman can produce more offspring. I suppose it depends on what you'd value more if given the choice--a. a full-grown woman's life, a woman who has already made her own in the world.or...b. a fetus; one who has yet to be born."
"I hear you, 100% And I agree, it is a woman's choice, as it should be. After all, who is carrying the child, right? The economy is burdened enough with all these problems, no need to add anymore to that list, right? We need more people like you in power, Blonda."
"That's what makes it so great. Just as people like the antis have the right to express their opinion although I don't know why we would listen to most of it, we have the right to express ours.I agree, tie their tubes, and then allow someone else to f**k up. Great solution.You're right, the government shouldn't think for us, and neither should the so-called moralists. We need more birth control, especially to keep the antis away from us, and then we can get all the abortions we want, and I am happy to say this to the antis:more abortions, more abortions MORE F***ING ABORTIONS! People should realize there are benefits to it, such as no more antis, and also less non fans of mine, but hey, I'm not a fan of pro-life, so more abortions happen, I smile, especially when the anti abortion people leave the earth. End of story"
"@JDH.I don't understand how I'm reinforcing your previous comment--elaborate for me? I go through the cycle every month, ma'am, no matter how hard you wish to deny my being a girl."
"COD3, you prove my point about a mother's "special bond" every you open your mouth. If you could actually give birth to a baby...you wouldn't value your life over any child...whether it's yours or not and yes, now I AM throwing that in your face."
"Who decides what happens to the body of the unborn child who is being murdered? Oh, yes, the baby doesn't have a choice. You think your body is more valuable than a child's?"
"I am pro-choice for the women who are seriously injured or lose their life in "back ally" abortion clinics. Women should be provided the medical care necessary for a safe abortion. Whether right or wrong, legal or illegal, abortion will never cease to exist. That is the reality here. And few choose to accept it. You can either help these women or let them die in underground clinics. I choose to help."
"We need more people like you who are pro-choice. It is about time that someone on here is knowlegable. I also choose help. I salute you for a good arguement."
"Good for you, Katie. And since one anti said that they're paying for abortions, we know we can get money for that, right?As far as abortions go, you're right, like prostitution, which I know the anits will be seen with in our lifetime, abortion is also inevitable. It is sad to see how selfish they are in letting the problem go underground instead of being legalized. Also, think of the life you will gain, by having one. Man, I love the pros of abortion. Such great selfless people, who know the truth. Forget the antis, they believe in burdens, higher taxes, and complete stupidity, and are probably spineless group followers, instead of being honest with peope. I am so glad I found someone on here, who isn't afraid to be pro choice. We need more people like you."
"Okay, burning you on the stake? Hmm, tempting. No, I am not trying to rile anyone, but since you seem to be riled, maybe I'm accomplishing something. I don't care about babies, they are little monsters, and little burdens. You prove me right every time with why we should have more of them. Are you 12 going on 13? You sound like it, by your personal attacks. I am pro abortion, yes. Deal with it. You're not an awesome anti as you believe you are, just someone who is almost worse than the others.I don't really care, but since you seem to like what I say so much, due to your responses, I say thank you. I am not out to rile anyone. Just expressing an opinion, as you claimed you were. So, too bad you don't have a block button, JDH. As far as your quote to believe it is murder is almost laughable to me, especially since I see alot of problems with having babies, so if you antis want to bring in future criminals, and bad people, and burdens on the economy, that's your problem, and the tax payers. Thank you for your comment"
"Victor, you are what 12 going on 13?? I mean only a child would make such generalized, prejudiced statements. Just because someone doesn't believe the way you do does not mean they are dishonest followers. Get a grip man. Is it so hard to believe that WE JUST BELIEVE IT'S MURDER????? Are you that close minded? Is if fair for me to assume, based on your radical stance on abortion, that you are merely out to rile up us awesome antis?? You sound like you want to lead an angry mob and burn us all at the stake. Maybe you don't really care either way. Maybe you just like to get attention by being as extreme as you possibly can."
"Yeah let's worry about the women who are getting back alley abortions instead of the babies who are being murdered. I don't know what's wrong with you that you would put more value on one life than the other."
"I am pro because there are already thousands of children in the foster care system. If a woman is not in the right position to take care of a child and she carries the baby to term, then that child will more than likely become property of the state and get tossed around like trash. No child should ever be subject to a life like that. So, in order to prevent more children from being in that terrible position, people who cannot take care of their own baby should get an abortion."
"It is my wright if I want to have an abortion. Also, my sisters, and my dauther's wright. It is not a way of pregnancy prevention. I believe in family planification. More ways for men to use should be created, you know, like a pill or an injection for him."
"I think there should be an age limit on abortion. I mean, what if you were 12 and were raped? Giving birth to the baby could kill you, but if your 16 and did it with your boyfriend, then the baby should be yours. You can give it up for adoption or something,"
"There are so many reasons why abortion should be legal. Drug addictions, alchoholism, and just not being ready. Better to not be a parent at all than to be a crappy parent your child will hate."
"yeah but there are other options you can decide on like adoption giving them to a family member that you can trust and you know they aren't smoking or anything. If abortion stays legal it just makes more reasons for guys to pressure girls about sex or even rape them."
"This topic I feel is a moral issue. I think that abortion should be legal. Do you know how many eff'd up parents out there can't take care of their kids? By taking away the right to abortion you are just throwing more kids into the Foster Care system and basically giving tax payer's the financial responsibility of these kids because their mommy's and daddy's were only sixteen and didn't use protection or they chose drugs over the kids or the couldn't support them financially. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't our country already on the verge of financial collapse? And you want to take away abortion so that tax payer's can take care of these kids? Uhm yeah...no."
""Another reason why women get abortions is because maybe broken condom or maybe some people think until they hear a heartbeat is when they are alive it isn't a baby because it isn't fully developed, many people wont agree but if you don't have a heart beat is just like saying you have no heart so you cant feel anything you aren't alive yet and also you shouldn't judge people on what they believe it's discrimination if they want to abort let them"
"Dude. There is such thing as a mistake and second chances. And what if your really poor, or alcoholic, or a drug adict. BOOM. Just blew your minds."
"Dude. There is such a thing as LIFE and INNOCENT. And what if you found a solution; Adoption, Family members will be willing enough to take the child, stop doing bad things and teach your kids that being an Alcoholic or Drug Addict is bad."
"Abortions. Every mother thinks about it at some point in their lives. Young mothers are never the best mothers. Especially when they are unprepared. Especially when the majority are still in school and don't have the time for a baby. Mothers need to devote more than just the early morning and the evening to their children. As the child grows older, they will need to go to daycare and school. This costs a lot, especially for someone without a steady income or a husband. Women need to think about what they are getting into before they do it. They need to think about how their lives will be affected by the new baby. They need to think about how their children's lives will be affected by the lack of their mother's presence. Most mothers don't think, they just do. In some cases, that is fine, it may benefit you, but in others, it just makes life a whole lot worse. Women may not always be thinking sensibly, especially when they are in the "heat of the moment." Abortions can save more than just one life. The baby will be no more, but the mother can think about graduating, college, friends, and a job. When all of that is finished, she may be ready.Abortions are necessary in life because women who are not ready yet have a second chance."
"A fetus does not have the capability to feel pain and suffering which renders the whole inhumanity part obsolete. The fetus also has no ability whatsoever to do ANYTHING for that matter, and shouldn't be granted legal rights. Judging by the fact that the fetus has no way of doing anything to show that there are reasonable enough grounds not to have the abortion whereas the mother does, she should have the right to abort a fetus (not a 9 month old baby)."
"Goodness guys. STOP REPEATING COMMENTS!!!Jeez! People like you make me want to re-think my stance. And as for the raping stuff, I'd say that both sides grossly exaggerate stuff. The yes people are right that courts are really biased in this stuff, though. =O"
"Man, these antis who are pro life would probably agree with Richard Murdoch or Todd Aiken's slogans or quotes as far as someone getting forcibly pregnant. In that case the anits are the fucked up ones on here, aren't you antis? You just don't want to admit, and can you imagine the scar on the child, knowing that it was a result of that? I wouldn't want to be the result of that, and I know the child wouldn't. I knew someone who was the result of that, and every day, they wish they were aborted. It is cruel to be born, knowing that they were the result of that, or of someone who abandoned them. Abortions can prevent something like that, as well as I have stated earlier, more Bugsy Seigels, Meyer Harris Cohens, people like you antis, and so forth. Hell, if I could, I would love to work for abortion clinics, because they prevent these problems. As far as back alley's go, it is the ANTIS who are making people go there, so antis, you are at fault for that. YOU should've been aborted. So, in conclusion, I say to the anits on here with extreme pride and pleasure: more abortions, MORE abortions, MORE F***ING ABORTIONS! DEAL WITH IT! And I hope there would be more abortions, so we will be laughing at you antis forever."
"I have switched sides. What if the mother is at risk for death, traumatic injury, traumatic illness, the baby will die anyway, the baby has something like Tay-Sachs, the mother will be killed in an honor killing, stuff like that. As long as the abortion is done in a human manner, I support the mother's right to choose. I still however, believe that life begins when fertilization is complete 24 hours after ovulation."
"Condoms can break, People can forget to use pills, and really? killing a toddler is not the same as killing an unborn child. The child is not alive yet, and it can't feel pain, it has no emotions. If you can support the child, then you shouldn't kill it, but if you can't, or you got raped, then you should take an abortion"
"well, there are plenty of women out there who have love towards unborn babies and many who think about their lives and the problems they along with their babies have to face. But, what if the parent has some kinda life-threatening disease like cancer which can ruin the newly born baby's life. Isn't it better to abort that child rather than bringing him to world where he will have to face only difficulties and problems?"
"it's the mother's body so it is her choice. if she really doesn;t want a child, she will go to extremes like a backstreet abortion. no child deserves to be brought into the world unwanted either."
"i think that abortion shouldnot be ilegal beacuse what if a 9 year old girl got raped and ends up pregnant ? her body will not be ready to have a baby and she is way to young to be having a baby at this age and she might die."
"a nine yr old would most likely have not started her period which would make it impossible to get pregnant"
"I have two points to make, only two, so listen carefully. First. Developing life is not "sacred". Humans don't become individuals at birth, every human begins his life as an empty shell, only later to be filled with intelligence and personality. Only after they gain intelligence can we consider them human and grant them constitutional rights. This happens with-in first year, long after birth event had occurred.Second point. Every intelligent being(human or not) that has an ability to reproduce itself, is in charge of it's reproductive systems. Controlling what he/her/it should or should not do with it's systems is a violation of basic rights of individuals. If individual's reproductive system has begun building an undesirable copy, it should be it's and only prerogative to decide whenever to terminate or continue the construction sequence. Morality is not relevant. "Parents" own their "children", until they become individuals themselves. Once a shell becomes individual, parent looses his ownership right.Conclusion: Law only protects individuals, NOT human shells.Individuals have a moral high ground to control their reproductive systems.Problem solved. Debate dismissed. You're welcome."
"All the problems in the world can be attributed to childbirth. Overpopulation being the foremost."
"Overpopulation? Wow, you obviously have not been on a road trip in awhile."
"The decision to have an abortion is a very personal one. In a secular nation we should not govern through the lens of one religious ideology. If one's personal beliefs prohibit the termination of a pregnancy then they are free to take their pregnancy to term. If bearing a child is a danger or a hardship for a family then they too should be free to end a pregnancy. For those that fight to ban abortion they should consider if they live in Vermont and a woman in Utah decides to terminate a pregnancy their life is unaffected by that decision. We should all live our own lives and not try to control that of others. We need to respect the beliefs of others and respect the diversity that makes this country great. The right to choose allows people of all faiths to legally follow their owm conscience and take responisbilty for their actions."
"A woman has the right to choice what she does with her body. I find it ridiculous how this topic is still up for debate in our society. And why as women are we bashing each other for decisions we are making for ourselves? You have not walked in our shoes, and we have not walked in yours. Believe in what you want, just stop shoving your agenda down our throats about us "murdering", it's not murder. If you want your baby, keep it. If you are in a situation in which you are entirely unable to raise a child, by all means, do what you need to do. We as women should be uniting and helping each other; you don't have to agree with our decisions, just be a kindhearted human being and help your fellow woman against the government that debate about OUR bodies. Why are human bodies being discussed in a political arena anyway?"
"Abortion should be legal, because for some people certain issues are better to not be genetically passed on."
"Abortions cost close to 600 dollars. Its thousands of dollars to take good care of yourself and a baby while pregnant. Protection doesn't always work and the arguement the abstinence till you are ready to have a baby is impractical for modern day society. It just would never work. You can complain all you want and say that the woman is at fault for getting pregnant but it isn't fair for you and the government to make a decision about someone else's body. If you aren't the woman with the baby in her, you shouldn't be able to have a say in the matter and I find it extremely creepy that we are leaving this decision up to politicians (mainly men) in their 50's and 60's and onwards who don't understand the needs of younger pregnant women. Stop calling women selfish for wanting control over their bodies. This shouldn't be a government issue, it's a personal decision. If a woman decides abortion is the best way to go for her then you need to respect that and stop preaching to her about how she is a murderer. I think if we start to allow the government to make personal choices for us about our body and sex life, the usa will get very weird very quickly. And no, I didn't even use the rape argument."
"In my opinion, it's simple. Every child should be able to live a happy life. And if the mothers circumstances wouldn't allow that, then the birth of the child wouldn't be fair to either child nor mother. Why ruin two people's lives, when you could've left - at least - one of them happy. Why does everyone seem to think, that people only get abortions to avoid having to work harder and not having to deal with hardships. A woman who is mature enough to think by herself, would consider abortion. Not for her only, BUT FOR THE BABY'S SAKE, which in fact IS what all this is about. Where is all this freedom, we Americans are so famous for around the world. This is not freedom. This is looking down upon people, who have thought about other people's lives, and therefore chooses this solution. And remember - not everyone is Christian, not everyone believes abortions are wrong. So take it easy, and let the freedom we've spoken about for so long, finally begin. Thank you for reading."
"who cares!!!! it is the mothers choice if she chooses it our not. we should have no say in the privacy of a mothers home. if she wants to abort her child, who are we to criticize"
"I totally agree, Allison Rodriguez. I couldn't have put it better myself. It should be a woman's choice. First and foremost, it is the woman, after all, whose baby is it, right? I mean, if a guy leaves a girl after she gets pregnant, then he should forefit ANY right to the baby, so if he is sad because of the abortion, who was the one who impregnated her and left, right? After he leaves, and all, he forefits all rights to the baby, so in that case, it is the woman's decision, as it should be. I like the way you think."
"thanks bro i agree with all of you alls comment"
"one day, under certain circumstances. may mine, or someone elses women. need to abort a child in order to save it from a inadeqaute upraising. if someone does not or connot take care of their child, they should not be forced to have that child, or have to go through what it takes to find it a home. Trevor Lohman TOLO <3 and HC 2012 <3"
"bro why dont u people but out and listen to thier problems bofore you go around judging people."
"I believe that abortion should be a woman's choice and is it really murder if it hasn't known life yet. Until it comes out of the womb, i consider it a fetus no matter how much growth it has. What's a few lives lesser in this world? Just look at china, their population is uncontrollably enormous. All I'm saying is if you want ur baby out you can have it out. GET RELIGION OUT OF MY LIFE AND FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY VAGINA!!!!!"
"I think abortion should remain legal to protect the health of the mother. I don't think abortion should just be done willy-nilly, but I also think that, if a mother is experiencing an eptopic pregnancy, or another life-threatening condition, she should have access to a means to save her life. And might I also point out that, if a eptopic pregnancy were to continue, the baby always dies anyway, so there is no 'sacrificing the mother to save the child.'Also, outlawing abortion will not stop them. If they cannot get one legally, women will just resort to unsafe and illegal measure, such as 'coat-hanger abortions.' When preformed, these can often result in infertility and even death to the mother, in addition to the obvious harm to the child. I don't like the idea of killing a child, unborn or not, but there are some instances where it is neccessary. I believe the real answer would be to have regulations, such as a psychological examination of patients, to ensure they thought the decision through and will not regret it later, and a complete ban on abortions in the third trimester."
"All of you pro-life believers are basically telling a woman that once she is pregnant her body is just a vessel for others to do as they please! It is her body and her life, therefore it is her choice! Abortions are going to happen no matter what, but wether it's in a clean, safe clinic or a dark alley with a coat-hanger is our decision! And a fetus is called a fetus and not a human for a reason! You're not killing a human... If you were why wouldn't you go to trail for murder! Every situation has a loop-hole and it will be found by someone... and guys; if your girlfriend gets pregnant, support her in whatever option she chooses."
"I believe that abortion is a human right that should not be limited or regulated by government or religious authority. Each woman has the right to choose abortion. It is a ``fundamental right`` recognized by the U.S. Supreme Court in the Jan.22, 1973case. This should be accepted widely in the society. The important thing is that a baby who is not wanted by the parents should not come into this world. The reason is that prospective parents are required responsible consideration, preparation and planning for birthing children. And after birth they must spend much money and time to raise their children by the time when they grow up. Raising children is a hard work but a pleasure in life for their parents."
"Embryos aren't far enough along in development to have brains, so they are not conscious and don't feel actual pain during abortion. Abortion is more humane than killing a child after birth."
"I believe that laws shouldn't be based on religious beliefs. There are millions of kids already up for adoption. Why add more? No one seems to want the ones we have! I don't know where people are getting that there are tons of families looking to adopt and somehow there is a shortage of adoptable children because of abortion."
"Why? The Bible is clear that abortion is wrong! A persons a person, no matter how small. JK, thats not from the Bible but the bible does say increase in number and multiply, and thou shalt not murder. What can you say to that?"
"i believe that it is a personal choice to get an abortion. If you are not in that persons shoes, you dont know why they would want to get an abortion. if you would get one, then get one. if you wouldnt.. then dont. you cant choose for other people."
"I think all involved with actual power to amend currant unlimited abortion (12 weeks or <) need to know we cannot sustain an embro after 12 weeks, nor can we "save" a baby less than 19 weeks gestation--and the earlier the pregnancy ends, the increased likelihood of severe mental challenges (such as emotional control & possibly intellectual factors) increase exponentially. The Bible sites the difference as whether or not the family deserves compensation in the event of the murder of a pregnant woman as to whether or not "quickening" has begun. This "quickening" (overt feeling of the fetus' movement) usually occurs sometime during the 12th to 16th week of gestation. Furthermore, I do not feel that you can condone abortion under special circumstances and forbid it otherwise. You either believe it is acceptable or not, PERIOD. Either the fetus is alive or not. Should a woman be raped and maimed to the brink of death by an escaped serial killer from the prison for the criminally insane, and becomes pregnant you either agree to an abortion or not. You cannot make exceptions if you truly believe it to be wrong and immoral."
"Women everywhere deserve the right to terminate a pregnancy. Its her body, and her right as a human being to be able to legally have an abortion. She should not be restricted by the government on wheather or not she has the right to make a decsion that determines the rest of her life."
"Although Allah might say abortion is bad, I am believing that it is womans right to choose what is good and bad for herself. Yes she may be able to put up baby for adoptings, but what if she does not want to go through pains of childbirth, or what if she is underage pregnant, she does not want embarrassment or stressed. Thank-you."
"have you ever seen 16 and pregnant they knew what they were doing and they kept the babies"
"I'm particularly concerned about ever increasing population numbers being a major part of the cause of most of our environmental and economic problems. I'd go beyond abortion to birth taxes (ideally proportionate to the square of number of kids, times square of the couple's income, times the difference between "present" CO2 level minus 350 PPB), rather than wait for natural selection to reduce our numbers much further than we might want."
"Ethical values aside (because morale should not be law, rather choice) the values of being able to choose when or whether to have a child is uncomprehendable. laws against reproductive rights are unconstitutional and for good reason. If the medical capabilities are there, why not utalize them to the best of our abilities. If we ban abortions, we might as well ban blood tranfusions due to all the jehova's whitness's ethical values."
"I am pro because a women should have the right to choose whether or not she wants to have a child. In the case of rape the women should not have to livewith a 9 month reminder of the tragic thing that has happened to her. I understand that in some people's eyes abortionis a very bad thing, but the fetus is not a person yet and if caught early enough does not even have a heart beat. It is not homicide and a girl should not be frowned at just because she did not want to have the child."
"For those who believe that the fetus will feel pain, almost every fetus will not feel anything at all. It begins to feel pain at 20 weeks, and statistics show that 1% of all abortions happen on or after 20 weeks. So 99 times out of 100, the fetus will feel nothing at all, which is better than letting it live a life where the mother cannot support it or herself. It is better to have 1 life prosper than to have 2 lives ruined."
"This is a very personal decision that is between two people (usually) and their maker. The state has no constitutional basis to intervene into this decision. To do so is an invasion of personal privacy, compromises personal liberties and is a gateway to further government intervention in our personal lives."
"Every woman has a right to make decisions about her body without government interference. The procedure should be treated as all medical procedures and handled safely. Criminalizing abortion will not result in fewer pregnancies; it will however, result in more infections, illnesses and deaths of women. If someone is against abortion, for whatever reasons, they shouldn't have one; neither should they deny other women their rights to "eminent domain" over their bodies."
"I strongly believe in abortion rights and giving women the right to make their own decision about this most private of all decisions. Its not the government's business to dictate to women, what they think is acceptable or not. Religion should play no part in this debate-period! Barry Goldwater had it right when he said that keep the government out of the bedroom! He was stauchly pro-choice and staunchly conservative at the same time! Today's Republicans are always preaching against "big government" but they have no problem in telling women they can't have an abortion despite the fact is the law of the land! I also am of the opinion, that abortion acts as a deterrent to the threat of overpopulation, which is a serious problem the world faces.What kind of country do we want to be in the coming decades: like China with over 1.5 billion people, with serious health issues in the megacities, like smog and contaminated water, etc... and the inability of the govern-ment and the economy to provide jobs to millions of workers streaming every year to the cities. I applaud the Chinese government of instituting the one-child policy. Abortion should be encouraged especially in the 3rd world countries. Future of mankind depends on that!"
"I read alot of your posts, Paul E. Dorsey, and I have to say that you have great wisdom on the subject of abortion. People, you can learn a thing or two from this person, as well as my own statements, especially on the burdens babies are to a mom and the economy, especially when it may have disabilities, or be unable to do certain things. As far as abortion clinics go, I would love to be in one, especially when it happens after, I know there will be one less hater of anyone inhabiting this earth. It would be a wonderful thing for them to happen, less problems, less diabled people the government has to take care of, etc. Your taxes will go way down, due to lack of people who are a burden on the government and taxpayers, and you'll realize you did what was right, even though you may feel guilty, you will realize you did what is right. Adoption? You never know who will get the kid, and worse off, you might send it to pedophiles, or conservative christians, or abusive people who are more selfish than you were for not having an abortion to begin with, if you had realized the problems, you would NEVER consider bringing a kid into this world."
"I think that Abortion should be the woman's decision. It is there choice, not anyone else's. There are many reason to abort a pregnancy, and that should be up to the woman. If someone chooses to not have an abortion, that's their decision not anyone else. This is also not their body so who's to say what women can do with their body other then themselves. People say that it is hurting the baby but fetuses are incapable of feeling pain when an abortion is formed. So it's not felling someone when it hasn't even developed a brain yet."
"There seems to be a big misconception about if abortions should be legal. It is there for those who want it, be it the case of rape/incest, or whatever have you. After reading some of the con arguments, I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt, they are the biggest argument for pro abortions. I mean, jails are overcrowded, and the economy is down, having kids WON'T help people improve it, it will only burdenize it even more, especially since we don't have enough resources to accomadate more children. This is why we need them. Either that, or have women get their tubes tied, and men for vasectomies. Where's doctor George Tiller when you need him, right? Glad the killer got what he deserved. As far as stem cell research, since one person mentioned it, sure, let's give them up for that, right? The legalization of abortions are there for those who want it, and also, if a mother is on drugs, or HIV, would you want a crack baby, or HIV positive baby in this world? I sure wouldn't, so why keep them if a mother is on drugs or HIV positive, right? Something for the antis to think about."
"A common misconception for the antis is that they think if abortions are legal, everyone will be forced into it, and that is just not true. They will be provided for the ones who want it, and judging from the antis on here, they are the biggest argument for the reason that abortions should happen, because after reading their reasons and their beliefs, I say more abortions, MORE ABORTIONS, MORE F***ING ABORTIONS! The antis never think about the financial burdens that come with raising a kid, and the economy the way it is. Hey, and if there were more abortions, there could be uses, such as stem cell research, and that can help with stopping diseases, so to the antis, keep up your arguments, since you are proving that we need abortions now more than ever. Thumbs down and personal attacks ony illustrate my point. To the pros, we need to try to put planned parenthood around the USA. That is all on my part"
"Victor Greywolf:"A common misconception for the antis is that they think if abortions are legal, everyone will be forced into it"Paul E. Dorsey:"I applaud the Chinese government of instituting the one-child policy."Victor Greywolf:"I read alot of your posts, Paul E. Dorsey, and I have to say that you have great wisdom on the subject of abortion."You say people aren't forced to abort, and you say you agree with a supporter of policies that, in effect, do force people to abort.Thumbs down do not illustrate your point, they show a lack of agreement between you and others."
"You are my hero."
"Even though I know that I will never have an abortion in my life time I think that people should have the right to choose what they want to do with their body. Anyways, fetuses cannot feel any pain."
"My point is..you cannot say anything bad about abortion unless you were faced head to head with it. Rape, possibility of retardation and stuck in a wheelchair for life. Would you prefer a child stays in a wheelchair for life and die before suffer for years. How can you comment about abortion if you haven't been in the position. No one knows what some people go through before having an abortion. You don't know what their situation is. When you are in their shoes....come back to me and reply."
"Man, all the people on the con side of this arguement, I have to say, that if I were in stand up, their arguement would be great material. Seriously, you people out there who are antis have the weakest arguments and are argueably the strongest argument for the reason for abortion. Look at the facts, there are more single parents out there, because it isn't legal, and people who have it are forced, because of outdated morals and preaching of stupidity. If you people really understood it, you would understand that it is a personal choiuce. So what if it kills a baby, a baby is a burden. I don't care about that, especially since it isn't mine. There is a misconception that if it is legal then everyone is forced to do it, and that is just wrong. It is a service for those who want it, and besides, your babies aren't fans of mine, so why would I care, right? Feel how you wish, thumbs down and attacks only illustrate my point. That is all."
"I thank you for your input, as well as saying on another post I had good points. As far as abortions go, there are the financial benefits, such as not burdenizing the economy with a disabled child. or someone who has nothing to look forward to, and becoming someone who has to spend their life in an orange jumpsuit. There is a misconception that people will be forced into it, according to the antis, which isn't so. Legalizing it will only let people have the choice. The pro-life people are selfish in the sense that they will be having more of a financial burden, not to mention the overall economoic burden on the government when you have to place that kid in a home for disabled people, which will cost the tax payers money.So, overall, the abortion would be better in preventing that from happening, and also, would be less of a burden on the world, and lack of resources. End of story"
"Number one, thanks for the compliment about me being "heartless" as you put it. You made my day. Thank you. Number 2, it is selfish, especially in the sense that if a baby is born in this economy, what does it have to look forward to? Lack of work, crime, and a chance at being the next Josef Stalin? I would say abortions prevent that, and I am glad that I am considered heartless. Taxes would be decreased, because of less emotional and financial burdens, such as if the child becomes disabled, or a wanted criminal, and no, I don't believe I should care, but I thank you for being diplomatic about your disagreement. I agree the option should be there for people.As far as the scapegoat, it is the person's choice. As far as myself goes, If I were the victim of something and got pregnant, I wouldn't want someone to force me to keep something that has a tie to a person who did that to me. I salute abortion, as well as should alot of people. I am glad you see some of my points, glad to hear it, but I stand by what I say.As far as her choosing life, I feel sorry for this "person", and I really don't know what to tell her. She is making a big mistake in her decisionThank you for your comment."
""Feel how you wish, thumbs down and attacks only illustrate my point. That is all."That is a sign of a weak argument, and it is poorly based."
"OK, Victor, I see some of the points you are stating, but I strongly disagree with the rest of them. For starters, the "outdated morals and preaching of stupidity" that you mentioned above are the primary foundations of our country. If one has no regard for another person's life, we would be living in full anarchy and chaos. There would be no trust in each other. I am pro-life, but I don't believe that because it is legal, people are "forced to do it", but since the option is there, it is a scapegoat for those women and couples that don't want to deal with it. I understand that there may be instances in which one might have the right to choose, either health complications, or emotional stress. But I believe you should care, because all the thumbs down and this comment just illustrate to you that there aren't as many heartless people like you. I know someone who is going through the difficult ordeal of choosing, and although she doesn't like children, she is choosing life. A life, like yours that can make a difference."
"Why should society get to make a decision for a woman on what to do with HER body? No one asks to get raped, not many people intend on getting pregnant every time they have sex. Everyone makes mistakes and you shouldn't be condemned for it. The baby doesn't even form a brain or a heartbeat until about four/five weeks. How can it be considered a person?"
"Well, Sara, because some people are so stupid and ignorant that they feel it is their job to tell people how to think, such as congress, conservative idiots, and angry feminists who are bitchy and bitter about their life, and the only satisfaction they get is to tell others how to think. Sometimes they are funny in their idiocy, and if they were on youtube, I bet they would be a laughing stock. I know I've had my share of laughs watching them, as well as listening to the cons on this and another topic I frequently post on. You have to look at them with amusement, and maybe you might enjoy them more. As far as the abortions go, they are a blessing, since there is no financial burden with it, and you get to move on with your life. Sure there might be some regret, but is being a person who is unable to take care of a kid something you don't regret? I say, we need them more than ever, and people who amuse us are the biggest reason for such a thing. I say, we put up a statue to George Tiller, a real hero. So, abortions happen, whose choice was it, right? The benefits outweigh the misery."
"It is way more than that. Maybe look up some facts before you go around posting stuff that isn't tree. And, no it's not killing a baby. The baby doesn't even form a brain until 5 weeks, and it can't breathe on it's own until it's born. So what if people open their legs? Maybe abortion is overused, I will agree with that, but sex is a natural instinct. Are you saying you would ignore all your natural instincts so something that can't even have an opinion on the matter would live? Would you like it if someone else made your decisions for you? I don't think you would. No one likes getting told what to do without having a say in it."
""Everyone makes mistakes and you shouldn't be condemned for it."Condemned means being sentenced to death. Having a child will very rarely consist of dying, thus your argument is negated"
"Ben, The word 'condemned' has more than one definition.However, if abortion was to become illegal, it would be considered as murder, as many people already do. Who knows what the punishment would be for that? Perhaps a life sentence? Maybe the death penalty, you know, an eye for an eye? So, if abortion became illegal, it would be like a death sentence. Excuse me if you don't like my vocabulary but I'm not here to discuss words and their definitions."
"umm you know 1% of abortions are from rape and incest. the rest is because they decide to open there legs and they don't want to be responsible, and calling a baby a fetus is just a label they put on it so it doesn't sound as bad but in reality your killing a baby."
"I still cannot believe that this is an issue. Don't bring the bible or any religion to say this is wrong. There is a very logical law called "Separation of Church and State." Which means that no religion holds any value in making a law. If you don't want an abortion, don't have one. That simple. Trying to prevent women who need an abortion is doing no good. There are 7 billion people on this planet. That's way too many people. In lieu of murdering human beings, terminating an unwanted pregnancy is successful for population control. I'm not telling people to change their minds, just be open minded about what others want. Also, adoption still puts the woman through pregnancy and childbirth. Please, please, please, just stop using "God" as an argument."
"The best way to prevent the pregnancy is to keep it out of the birth canal, and use the spermicide and diaphram with good quality condoms, that way, you can't get pregnant. Yeah, you're right, there are 7 billion on this planet, and the morons are growing at an alarming rate. This is why I am in favor of it, and the cons, or antis as I like to call them are the biggest reason for abortions. Besides, I don't care much for those who aren't admirers of mine, and reproducing will only emphasize that, so I say we need more abortions. Also, since the babies are a burden on the economy, abortions are the best thing in the world, and for those who are against it, you are the reason for it. Pure and simple. We pros are thinking of society by having them, and you selfish people are thinking of yourselves by keeping them. Talk to the people who regret getting pregnant and you will see what I mean. I am so thankful for abortions, and I think they are the best answer to the burdens babies give. And I sorely wish we had more abortions, since the cons, non fans of mine, and celebrities are the reason for them, if they only knew their vocal point of view did more for the pros than anything. End of story"
"So... is God pro-abortion when he performs miscarriages...?? (Before you answer, God liked this comment on Facebook. Lol)"
"I totally agree!"
"The woman should have considered the risks, then, hm? I image killing the effing baby is just as painful as birthing the child. That woman is a selfish monster. The poor child had a chance at a LIFE, and instead, it is crushed. The baby can feel that, you know. Please, please, please, just stop using "seperation of church and state" as an argument."
"God Bless America Shane and God Bless you too!!!! I'm a God loving woman and He is a part of every decision I make. It's people like you who are taking my rights away as a Christian but since you believe in justifying murder, I suppose you don't care about that. You can toss out the whole 'Separation of Church and State' all you want but us Jesus lovers will still be able to vote."
"Well in my opinion I don't like abortion but what happens if the person got raped. The girl had no control over it. I don't like abortion but some girls get pregnant because they got raped."
"people get raped everyday and they still live out there life and continue on becuase you cant control the idiot who was being stupid and wanted to become a rapist all you can do is take pride in the gift that you have developed and you dont have to get it aborted why not adoption. abortion is murdering a live fetus a heart beat forms in about 3 weeks of the pregnancy."
"that si a valid point but still a baby is a baby and that's that. Abortion = Murder and that's wrong"
"It's a moral decision. Period. A woman becomes a victim in the worst way when she is raped. I can't even begin to imagine what that would feel like. I should think that knowing what it feels like to be victimized would prevent her from victimizing her unborn child but simple logic is lost on some."
"I understand the pro life argument, however, if I were raped and found I were pregnant, I'd like to know I had the choice to abort without a big hullabaloo or having to further endanger or humiliate myself. This has always been the one factor that keeps me on this side of the fence. Glad to hear that abortions have been on the decline though."
""Abortion is medically defined as the termination of a pregnancy by the removal or expulsion from the uterus of a fetus or embryo before it is viable." ~WikipediaWhether we want it to be or not, the option of an abortion is now available within our society. People are going to utilize this option whether it's legal or not. The only difference being if it's legal, then the mother will be operated on by trained doctors in a sterile hospital room using sophisticated medical technology. If it's illegal, then we're talking about a holiday inn bathtub, a coat-hanger, and a man that might not speak full English. Though I personally have mixed feelings about abortion, under no circumstance should a woman whom I've never met have to choose the tub over a proper medical facility.This is why I believe abortion should stay legal."
"Stephanie, what about a woman that gets raped? Is it her fault then that she's pregnant? And no contraceptive is 100% effective. I mean condoms, the diaphragm, the pill, the whole nine yards; there is ALWAYS a chance it could fail, no matter how small, it's there."
"it dont matter. you should have an abortion to begin with i mean come on the woman opened her leg and she has a kid on the way she should step up and be rresponsible and take care of the child because its all her fault shes having it. I think next time when she thinks about sex she should use protection or keep her legs closed or learn to be responsible it should be an option Abortion should be illegal because there is no need to kill a human child i mean people get introuble for killing a pregnant lady and that 2 count of murder but you can get introuble for killing your own kid that horrible honestly i disagree with you"
"you really have to think of the situation. many people think right away, "no its wrong because your taking somenes life" that is true but then again what if the girl was raped or anything like that. so you really have to think before you make a statement"
""like you said what if the woman was raped; In that case, if she doesn't want it then why not give it for adoption instead of taking an innocent life away.""
"There are proper medical care so you won't get pregent - Abortion punshies an unboren child who commited NO crime!"
"I agree that in the case of rape, the baby can be aborted. But any other time is murder. Just because you can't hear the baby scream in pain doesn't mean it is right to murder it."
"yes well you need to think about when you want a baby a baby is a joyous thing"
"If you don't like abortion don't get one. If it conflicts with your personal opinions, morals, religion, etc, don't get one.Why should I be subjected to your personal morals? A religious belief I do not share?"
"Why should any of us then be subjected to personal morals such as thievery and murder are bad? This is not an issue on personal morals though. Pro-lifers view each fetus as an individual human. They are arguing for their right to life, not for personal morals. This is not a debate over what drugs one chooses to consumes or behaviors one chooses to act on. This is a debate over life and death."
"Right back 'atcha. You believe that abortion is a personal matter, and that the State "ought" not interfere. I'm sorry, pal, but that's a personal, moral belief. Why should any of us be subjected to *your* personal morals, either?"
"Abortion should be made available to anyone who deems the choice necessary. It is a decision to be made by the female and anyone they wish to include, not people who will never met the person or the possible child or aid in its upbringing. If you want less abortions, the answer isn't to outlaw them: people will still get them, whether it be in alleyways or in other unsanitary and unsafe conditions. The solution is to make aid for those who have these children more accessible, to make contraceptives easier to acquire, and to improve the adoption and foster care systems. If I don't want to raise this child, why would I subject them to possible suffering? We're going about this the wrong way."
"It should be a legal because women around the world should have a right to have a abortion or not.some of the women all around the world gets a abortion for they can live life better."
"I think abortion should be legal because people should have some place to send there child that they can't take care of"
"abortion should be legal..adoption is not that easy way. if someone gives birth to an unwanted baby to keep it away from herself for adoption thinking that it has life then, why does she need to do that? why does she need to keep that baby for nine months?? After all. that baby will not get his real parent..So, it is good to do abortion as early as possible before it is developed and matured inside a mother. i am saying this coz everybody's putting adoption at the front of everything which is not a good way and for the child's whole life.."
"in my opinion abortion is a self choice, sometimes a women is raped, or something terrible happens. When that happens some women get abortions and in cases like that it is okay, because of the fact that the baby would be better off not living than living in an unfit home. we are all entitled to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, if having an abortion makes you happy, then why not go for it. i personally am against abortions, but i cannot deny that i agree with them because of all the facts that point out saying that there is nothing wrong with them."
"We do such a poor job providing sex education and limit access to contraception that unplanned and un wanted pregnancies are bound to happen. Unfortunately we need to provide a safe and legal alternative. It always surprises me that so many pro-life people are also against providing comprehensive sex education."
"Biblical fact checking is as important as political fact checking. You would be surprised to know that contentious views about abortion are not conveyed in scripture. In fact, scripture defuses the abortion debate. What the Bible really says about abortion has never been included in the debate. If Christians are kept in the dark concerning scriptural truth, arguments over abortion will continue to worsen and persist while the message of God's love and salvation is set aside. The following article is based on scriptural facts about abortion not religious faction and fiction.How scripture defuses the abortion debate - http://bit.ly/CLLonAbortion"
"I am for abortion all the way, it is not murder as it has not had a heartbeat yet."Taking the life of a human being/baby." It is not a human being yet nor a baby, only after birth it can be considered a living being. Talk about taking a life and killing it, then why would you kill bugs and other creatures around you that are LIVING. You end it's life because it doesnt belong there. If you're so into religion, then why kill God's creatures he has put forth in front of you for beauty, and yet end God's creation?Think about what you say before putting religion into this. A woman has her rights and because religion has such imapct, who are you all to judge how a woman runs her own body? You are not God, you are to not judge for another person you don't know. It's a clump of cells that are not alive yet and therefore a life has not been taken away. It is pure sin to punish another person just because you disapprove of them. If it is not meant to be and the mother has that feeling it isn't, then it isn't. The future of the child shouldn't be a punishment to his/her life because of irresponsibility in the mothers case. Except for rape/incest."
"Ah, finally somebody who makes sense. You're right, a woman DOES have her rights. As far as the religious argument, it is a fradulent one. I can't understand why so many people believe that crap.In cases of rape/incest, the abortion SHOULD happen, because this way, the mother has no tie or result reminding them of what had happened. I don't know about you, but if I were in that position, I certainly wouldn't want to be reminded of such a horrid incident, and neither would anyone, so why force a mother to keep a little burden who will turn out worse than the case of rape and incest, right? I say, let the people decide what to do. Daniel, I salute you for giving an argument that makes sense. Thank you"
"It is very offensive to me that some old man in Washington DC would claim to know what is best for me and my family. Fourteen years ago I had to terminate a wanted pregnancy when my husband and I found out the baby had severe genetic defects. It was very emotionally painful, but I was lucky to have a lot of family support. If I hadn't been able to the baby would have needlessly suffered for the rest of its life."
"I never fully thought about this issue until I was the one that had to make it. i was someone that said i could never go through with it...that all changed when i became pregnant and was the one doing the decision making. i was taking birth control at the time and still got pregnant. i had only been in a relationship with the man for 4 mos, he had a child of his own and i was finishing my last semester of college.i thought about adoption but knowing that "my child" was somewhere out there in the world would have caused me more mental harm and guilt than choosing to have an abortion. i made the decision for me and only me and at that point in my life thats the decision that seemed to be best and i am beyond thankful i had the right to make that decision for myself. i strongly believe it should be a womans right to choose but let me say this i do not support the use of abortion as birth control. i came across something the other day that made me think and i believe someone commented about this earlier but those who are against abortion are usually anti-gay marriage so if you force a woman to have a baby and it turns out to be gay will you still fight for its rights as a human being?"
"If a living things needs MY body to survive, its rights do NOT override MY female rights over MY own body.Once viable (youngest case was 20 weeks), the fetus should be removed and doctors can try to keep it alive in an incubator.Before earliest known viability, 20 weeks, a female has SOLE jurisdiction of her body as the only independent person."
"Granting the continuation of an unwanted pregnancy is granting the removal of life-sustaining resources, that are in limited supply on our finite planet, from others. We need to accept abortion as one of the most moral options in determining who lives and dies in a world running out of resources. It certainly beats forced sterilization! Sure everyone might "deserve" to live, but unfortunately, the reality is that it is impossible to maintain our population and consumption rates without running out. We can either reduce consumption or/and reduce population, but we cannot continue forever to increase in population and consumption without facing very serious, life-threatening situations. Countries around the world are working hard to improve their quality of life. The ones that have succeeded (such as China) have significantly increased the consumption of limited resources. Certainly, an ideal world would be one in which all people are able to consume as much as they want, but with over 7 billion people, that dream is an absolute fantasy. Until we can put an end to poverty and hunger world-wide, we should consider abortion - an option that has irrefutably reduced poverty, crime, and hunger - as something that should remain legal"
"When you eat eggs are you eating chicken? NO. Do you masturbate? Well your killing a million possible babies... You cant take a life that hasn't even started yet. Is it bad to remove a tapeworm (something that feeds off of your body)? I don't think it is anyone's place to tell me what I can and can't do with my body. If you don't agree with abortion, then don't get one."
"You have an egg for breakfast and chicken for dinner. This argument is not the same. How do you define life? That argument about the chicken egg is not the same as a human. If it was then it would be illegal to eat chicken eggs and chickens. Is it you right to also kill someone who gets in your way? Is it you right to enslave another person to make you life easier? No. Take a step back and think. What if your mother had decided to abort you."
"I believe every person has rights. A women has a right to choose to use birth control or keep her legs together. That BABY is innocent and 2 wrongs do not make a right."
"Humans will continue having sex because it is a beautiful and natural part of being a human being. It isn't as simple as possible. Yes, I agree that killing an unborn child is always a sad event and that other possible options should be evaluated first, but women shouldn't be forced to carry children to term, no matter if it was her fault, from rape, or because her protection failed. It would be causing women to be nothing more than animals. Pregnancy isn't just about the child, it's about the woman too. Children, no matter at what stage of life are precious and have worth, but when they aren't born yet, they are reliant upon their mothers for life and even just 9 months can cause horrible damage, physically, mentally, emotionally, and to aspects of the woman's life. No one should be forced to carry something that will cause them damage."
"i beleive that we should keep it legal for 2 reasons. 1 being that if a woman wants an abortion badly enough, she'll find a way to get one and could possibly injur herself in doing so. the second is the fact that abortion is an option. if you want to keep the baby, fine. it's not like you have to get one just because you have the capability. it's just giving people a choice and there's nothing wrong with that."
"what i think we really need to do is stop arguing about the fetus and start worrying about the children that are already in this world."
"I believe that abortion ought to be allowed in extreme cases. For instance: rape, forced pregnancy, or if the mother's health will be at risk if she does give birth.Unless it's for one of those reasons, abortions should be made illegal. However, we should keep it available for those who need it in dire circumstances."
"im pro cause its a choice. its stupid that people think its murder its not the baby isnt a baby yet."
"The government simply should NOT have control over what women choose to do to their bodies. This should not be an issue where the government is involved whatsoever. Even if aborting a fetus can be considered "murder", women drink, smoke and take illegal narcotics during their pregnancies anyways that cause devastating birth defects to their unborn children. If the child is not going to be in a good home, living a life without any type of abuse, then it should be up to the mother to make that decision, but not the government."
"so he or she can learn from their mothers murderous mistake"
"its the womans choise we have no reason to interseed"
"This is certainly a delicate topic to be discussed. But, I believe that a woman has the right to chose of whether or not she wants to remove her fetus; after all, she was the actual one that made it possible to come to existence, along with the father of the child. Not only that, but if the fetus is removed before 20 weeks, it hasn't even developed the senses of pain, so that will go unnoticed for him or her. 5 months is quite a long time for parents to decide on whether or not they can have the baby; so they would probably make up their mind in time to decide that, so that no harm would be done to the fetus at all. So I believe that abortion should remain legal, for the decision should rely on the parents' hands, and there should be absolutely no third party interference to influence their choice."
"Here's how I see it.Abortion should be legal at any point in the pregnancy all the way up to the point that the fetus is fully developed and could live without complications from premature birth.Up until that point the fetus is no more than a parasite, it cannot be called a baby or newborn (because it could not exist on its own) It is not a child or an infant (because it has not fully developed all five senses) It is not a person (because it has not developed a mind or personality)Until birth it is nothing more than a clump of cells feeding off the body of a host. It is human nature to feel sympathy toward babies, infants, children, people. However, this sympathy is woefully misplaced when it is applied to a fetus; something that is not any of the aforementioned."
"All of you cons fail to mention the womaan that accaully try to have a child andd something goes wrong for insists my little girl that im pregnant with at this moment and which is still alive. I was told by my dr and seen with my own eyes tht she has no limbs developing and will likly be still born by 6the months if I didnt die before then from the ovian cancer I have. How dare all of you for not pointing all the suffering mothers out there dealing with the worst thing in their lives and having to tell her big brother his little sister past away. Holding out signs at the abortion clinic calling us murders and pictures of chopped up fetuses even seen a preacher out there sayingdont kill you baby they love you well guess what I love meself and my baby so much that I want to see them live a normal life not live in a bed for the rest of their lives and having risk my 4life year old never seening his mother again because I past away."
"Dood think about it. Whos body is this first of all. its the womens. She should be the one who should be making decisions"
"I believe in women's right to choose. It is the mothers choice to sort the fetus or not not anyone else's. But I WOULD like to say that everyone here that is saying that killing a fetus is the same as killing a developed child is not true. A woman would not be allowed to go into an a boron clinic when she's 8 months pregnant. There is a certain point in the pregnancy when the fetus is developed enough to call it a person and that is when the abortion becomes illegal. I don't know when the cutoff is but thats how it works so stop complaining."
"In definition what lies inside a womens stomachs is an embryo, at least until 8 weeks after conception. And in defintion and embryo is an organicm in its early stages of development. If killing an organism is murder,and a chicken is an organism, then killing chickens should be murder too! But its not. Abortion is a choice, not murder."
"i think you should be able to have abotions and if someone says it is not right because they are religious then what about people who have other religions and the people who don't belive in god. Any ways there is a seperation of the church and the state so god doesn't matter there anyways."
"This is the 21st century and we have newer and better metheds of population control. I think abortion is a fantastic idea and it is in use in massive countries like china and india where population is out of control"
"I feel the need to say this:If I want to open my legs, I WILL--it's my business what I do with my legs, anyway. SEX IS NOT BAD. ABORTION SHOULD BE LEGAL."
"@JDH.I never said you had to like it."
"I totally agree with you C0D3. We need them. I mean, look at all the juvenile crimes that are commited, because people were stupid and kept the kids, along with all the increased lack of funds, because we have to pay for someone's stupidity, and the jails having an increase in population. Abortions would prevent that. Or increase in sex education, but the conservative crapheads don't want it, because then it means peoiple get educated. Abortions would also prevent burdenizing our natural resources, and make sure everyone has enough, so we don't deplete them. It can be beneficial, and besides, it would decrease the anti population, reduce crimes, and if a child is going to be born to a child molestor, abortion prevented it, along with bringing one into the world. Sex isn't bad, just keep it out of the birth canal, and everyone will be fine.I agree, abortion should be legal. If they ever look for volunteers to do it, three words:SIGN ME UP. :) End of story."
"No one cares that you like to open your legs. Just saying."
"If every woman who is conceived must have their baby, then the population of the world will increase. Already, there are 7 billion people in the world. The population is increasing at an alarming rate. Soon, if the population continues to grow, our resources will diminish. Allowing abortion allows a type of population control."
"Why not own a dog, or a cat or a bird? You can love them. Why would we want to deprive ourselves of financial burdens, especially if the baby is disabled, or becomes the target of bullying, or a criminal. Abortion is a blessing on that part, and I have to say, for the antis, Hey, you people are the reason for it, and I I hope there are more abortions, especially since I know I won't be meeting you people, and I couldn't be happier. We need more people like Dr. George Tiller around, and I hope more abortions come, and I will be smiling at the thought of it."
"JDH,Remember what hormones are?"
"That it is, plus, if you don't like somebody, it will be a way to get rid of them, or to decrease the odds of them producing, such as the antis on here. As I have stated, they are the biggest reason for abortion, so if the anits had their way, taxes will go up, and people would be having even more financial problems, and on top of that, more population that will adopt their way of thinking, and future criminals and possible pedos running around. It's because of these types that abortions are needed.Personally speaking, I LOVE, and heart the topic of abortion, especially since I know it will be something wonderful, particularly to non fans of mine, since it means more room for fans of mine. Allowing abortions would be a wonderful thing, and I would vote for anyone who would allow people to make the choice. MORE ABORTIONS, MORE ABORTIONS, MORE F**KING ABORTIONS! To the antis, I am sure you had abortions, as a few had admitted, and I salute them for it, and if I or someone like me were a doctor, we would perform them, and enjoy it."
"NOT getting pregnant would be a better form of population control. NOT having sex would also work but why would people want to deprive themselves of anything they love to "save the planet?" Abortion is a selfish act. I like how you pros act like you're doing someone a favor...(gag)"
"This is a pretty good topic of discussion. As far as that goes, there would be alot of beniefits to abortions, such as financial burdens, overpopulation, and not enough resources to help people, the economy the way it is, if a person is a pedophile, they won't be able to abuse or molest a child, or bullying in school, etc. Not to mention less populations in gangs or in prisons. Sometimes, if a mother has HIV, the baby won't be born with it, and won't be a crack or heroin baby because of the mothers stupidity. To the antis out there, look at it this way, abortions aren't a burden, they are a blessing, since this world already has alot of problems, and we don't need to be adding more to it by having more kids. Besides, they're not my kids, so I could care less about things such as that. Instead, let's try to focus on things such as the current problems in the world, and try to build the economy, so this way, when it is time to reproduce, our kids won't be in the poverty line, and having to commit crimes in order to have the basic needs. Fair enough? If you truly love kids, you will understand. Attacks and thumbs down only prove I am telling you the truth. End of story, at least on my part."
"Abortion is much more than a woman's right to be free from an unwanted child. It is an unborn child's right NOT be born into a miserable life of poverty and abuse. "Right to life" and "right to a good life" are two entirely different things. Very few unwanted children forced to be born ever get a good life . ( If I were an unwanted child I would much rather be aborted than abused.)"
"Man, you almost sound like something I said, but I am so glad, seriously that someone put it even better than I did. I agree, they can be born into a life of poverty, and abuse, either at the hands of a parent, or the hands of a religious authority figure, or a teacher, or someone off the street. Abortions prevent that from happening. Misery also, because of a stigma, such as being born handicapped or with the name of someone who is very hated, or the result of rape/incest, or an accident, that can have alot of consequences on a child that can scarr them for life.I agree with your last statement. Right to a good life and life are two different things. Also, being born disabled, or being the victim of bullying for various reasons, kids wished that they were aborted, so I would agree with you. You made some very awesome statements on here, as far as this topic goes.We need more people like you on the pro side."
"Okay, so it seems the antis on here are coming up with more amusing arguments on why we should be pro-life. Well, I would like to ask the antis on here, would you want to have a hard time making ends meet, so future criminals, and financial and emotional burdens can wind up in an orange or blue suits in a jail cell, because of the economy the way it is, and also becaue there is nothing out there for them? Would you want victims of rape or incest to be seeing the face of the person who did it, and having a tie to the victimizer? Also, do you agree with the person who made that stupid comment during the presidential debate. I mean, come on, people, use whatever little brains you supposedly have. Babies are an economical and emotional burden, and also a source of problems. Ask any teenage or single mom out there who has a baby. I've known women who said they regretted having the babies because of problems such as finances, so if you want future criminals like Bin Laden, or Hussein running around, that's your problem, but in the meantime, let's say abortions are beneficial. So, I say onto yee, more abortions, MORE abortions, MORE F***ING ABORTIONS! Deal with it. End of story."
"For all who are saying that abortion should be illegal and is wrong have no right to determine or say what a woman is allowed to do with her own body. you say that it is killing a human being but that is wrong. When fertilization takes place it is nothing but a cell. it connot survive on its own and even when it is a fetus it cannot survive on its own either. It is part of the womans body because it is not a seperate entity because it cant survive on its own outside the body. Those who are pro life having nothing to back up thier fight against abortion except bibles, gospels, and religous views. not facts. Abortion has been taking place for a long time and well before the 1300's and there not gonna stop it just because religous worshippers want them to. Church and govt are seperate and thats the way it should be so religion should not dteremin what is and isnt illegal. no one is forcing you to have abortions so what gives you the right to tell others what to do. you dont have to get abortion so if you dont like it leave the country or move somewhere where you dont have witness abortions."
"Okay, so it seems the pro-lifers are coming up with the most laughable excuses for forcing a woman who is pregnant to go through with it. Let me ask you this, if there was a chance you could prevent gangs from growing, as well as your taxes going up, would you want to prevent more kids from coming into this earth? Think about it for a moment, it is a personal choice if a woman wants to have an abortion, putting the religious BS aside, and babies being a burden, if you people talked to some single mothers who are miserable, you would know that abortion is a blessing, and it should be a choice. So it is murder, big damn deal. All I can say is that the pro-life people are the biggest reason for abortion, and if I were a doctor, I would certainly abort them without hesitancy. So, some people are destroyed because of it, complain to someone who cares, and besides, if abortions were around, we wouldn't have you people, or more Eric and Dylan types running around. So, I say to the antis, MORE ABORTIONS, MORE ABORTIONS, MORE F***ING ABORTIONS, because it is what is right for those who want it. Besides, abortion clinics are a blessing. End of story."
"ABORTIONS SHOULD BE FREE AT WALMART!"
"Yeah, but the problem is that with Wal-Mart, too many people wish they were dead in there, so they would lose employees. Wal-Mart sucks anyways. As far as abortions, I say, leave it to the people. Forget the anits point of view, especially since they are the reason we should have them more than the other arguments."
"aborting a baby shouldn't be legal if the woman didn't want her child she shouldn't of have had sex in the first place or she should of used protection and not be stupid."
"I'm pro because this arguement branches from stem cell research or vice versa. All of those who believe in religion, please listen. It's okay to peg a person to a cross and write in a mass produced book about it, yet if one NEWBORN dies to help save generations, it's a bad thing? It's generally a compliment to the bible, if I were you I would be proud to know we have this research. Not horrified at what science has become. So swallow your pride and realize how much of a hypocrite you sound like when you say "We shouldn't have stem cell research. Jesus wouldn't approve." But he approves of being nailed to a piece of wood? It really makes you think."
"@Victor: As far as being a historical person, Jesus existed, and was executed on a cross. A lot of the claims about him cannot be proven objectively, but that doesn't disprove his existence.@Anonymous:"All of those who believe in religion, please listen."Christianity isn't the only religion.If I remember correctly, Jesus claimed to be dying for the world, and he had many chances to escape his death, so he chose it.A defenseless newborn can hardly be said to have had that kind of say in the matter."
"Number one, who cares about the so-called jesus. It never existed, just something people saw who have alot of mental illnesses, or addiction to ahllucinagenic drugs. Number 2, stem cells can be beneficial. So, a baby has to be aborted. Big deal. I love abortions, because that means one less scumbag to inhabit this earth. As far as newborns dying to help a generation, that is a good thing, especially since it means one less burden on the government or families. Ask single mothers who regret having a kid.As far as abortions go, I am happy they happen, especially since it will decrease the antis, and non fans of mine by at least who knows how much, and one less burden on my taxes when they wind up wearing an orange suit, or live on disability, because they either don't want to work, or because of something genetic.Good point on the stem cells."
"@kkkYes. :) Just kidding; but I'd go up for it if my cells were worth anything to the research anymore."
"would you put your kid up for stem cell research?"
"I'm pro because s**t happens and women need that safe alternative, we need to be able to have the choice to not be pregnant and have an abortion. Yes there is contraception, but remember it doesn't always work. Children are still conceived with the use of condoms and the pill. Also think of how many house-holds can barely make ends meet, how could they care for a child? Think of the teen pregnancys that happen every year. Yes, not all of them used condoms but I bet you more than anything that many did. Some women just arn't ready to be pregnant. Just give us that safe choice to have an abortion."
"To the topic of stem cell research, that is cool, but they are also, in case you followed it, working on alternatives to abortion for it. True, stem cell research might make a breakthrough, but breakthroughs can take up to 20 years to be absolute, and without question. We have to look at it from that point of view, as far as that goes. They tried to take DNA from people, and see if it would make that happen, but so far, nothing new on it. It might work.As far as abortions go, they still have to be done in some circumstances, such as with a mother who is HIV positive, or taking drugs, they do that, believe it or not, or is with alot of mental problems that can be passed onto the baby. (It has been proven that alot of those are genetic.) I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want a baby with all those problems, since it will burdenize the government, and the taxpayers, since they have to take care of the person, so in alot of ways, abortions prevent things like this from happening. Something for the anits to think about. I don't think they want their taces to go up, and make it harder to make ends meet, like what is already happening at this economy."
"Yeah women, then its okay you know I'll have sex but I wont worry about the consequences you know who cares i can go kill my kid I'll just make up the excuse that I cant sustain him economically."
"i am a teen and rape victim and trust me never once did abortion pass through my mind ! Killing my child was never an option. Even if i couldn't make ends meet, i still try hard and my child has everything she ever needs ! There is NO excuse to abortion !"
"Of course it should be legal. I mean, look at the teens getting pregnant, and becoming single moms out there. If abortions were allowed, there would be less people living in the poverty line, and on top of that, since we have alot of angry kids running around, abortions would decrease them, as well as unwanted pregnancies, and since alot of guys get girls pregnant, they won't be so quick to leave them. Plus, there are alot of benefits, such as a girl not dropping out of school, and in the case of rape or incest, they can never have anything reminding them of such a horrid event. That would be the best part of the abortion, since there are alot of things that they can do, such as wait until they are ready. Sure it is sad to have one, but less of both a financial, as well as physical and emotional burden on the girl who got pregnant by some idiot who wasn't ready for that kind of responsibility. Plus if the baby is going to be disabled, an abortion can be beneficial also, since the taxes and government agencies won't have to step in and give it lifetime care at the tax payers expense, which will be better for people in this world, and it would be glorious to the world, due to the overpopulation and burdens that come with all that."
"Of course I would. I knew of a girl who had 5 abortions, and whose decision was it? Hers, and hers alone. I wasn't the father of her kid, so I wouldn't care. You have to understand, JDH, that there are alot of financial burdens, not to mention bullying if the kid is a target, as well as alot of angry people out there, who make life hard for people, and as far as abortion, I am pro on that. What if the woman was a drug addict and was killing her own baby? What about in cases of rape and incest? As far as sex ed, I agree that more should be taught in schools, but the moralists and right wing are fighting against it, and many times, the schools, out of fear for bad publicity or whatnot let them have their way. Maybe I wouldn't, but whose choice is it? I didn't make the choice for them.Now, as far as motherhood goes, I knew some and they told me that if they could turn back the clock, they would. Also, with teens getting pregnant, abortion would be a blessing, especially since they wouldn't drop out of school, and the boy might stay with them, because after listening to idiots who were bigger virgins than he was, and getting a girl pregnant, he can not run away. It is at best a double edge sword. I am pro choice, always. :)"
"@JDH.Are you implying that the fathers of children don't feel strongly for the baby? Just as strongly as the mother? They may have different experiences with the child, but that doesn't necessarily mean that one parent loves it more than the other. I feel offended. Just because I have a vagina and give birth to the child, I automatically love it more. How insulting. That's no reason to discriminate against men in this debate. Not everyone experiences the "true joy" of childbirth the way you do. Try to be a little more empathetic and respectful, if you don't mind."
"Sure, I would want them to do that, especially if they're not potential fans of mine, or whatever. Wouldn't bother me one iota, to be quite honest with you. They do that, more power to them.Besides, with the economy the way that it is, lack of jobs, and nothing to look forward to, why have kids, because that is what they are facing. Besides, it would give people who molest kids no chance to do so.As far as the so-called great athletes who cares about them, they kill themselves through drugs and stupid acts, and I wouldn't be bothered by something as ridiculous, or frivolous as that, and to respond to adoption, alot of kids might be adopted by child molestors or criminals, or people who are worse parents than the ones who gave them up.If people practiced birth control, or kept it out of the birth canal, and used protection, these things wouldn't happen, so I say, more abortions, the more the merrier. Thank you for your comment."
"Thank you, nikki, if you were referring to me. I am glad to hear that, if that was the case. I don't even know why this is up for debate, especially since i personally would LOVE to work for planned parenthood, if the opportunity ever arised. I think it would be the dream job. I mean that sincerely.As far as the antis go, I guess they wouldn't mind future criminals running around, more disabled people on the government housing, and gangs vandalizing things. Well, the antis are truly the selfish ones, and they are arguably, the biggest reason for abortion, and the best asset to it. I say, planned parenthood rocks, and we need more people like George Tiller. Glad the person got 50 years. We need more abortions."
"More power to them, Number one. Number 2, god doesn't exist. Finally, you want to do that, I salute you for it. AS far as spreading their legs, if the boys were educated, they would know that they should use protection, and keep it out of the birth canal, and put it someplace else.The baby hasn't been born yet, so it doesn't count as a person. You are entitled to your feelings, but so are we, as well as myself, and I am pro 100%Well, then sounds like your beef is with the fatehr of the kid, which isn't me.Thank you for your comment."
"love your post to the fullest I am doing a eassy on should abortion be legal and I had came up with some of the same views as you."
"Its the teens own stupid fault therefore she should have the responsibility there is always a consequence"
"Why the hell should girls be able to get abortions just because they dont want it, WELL THERE THE ONES THAT SPREAD THERE LEGS IN THE FIRST PLACE and i'm still in highschool and when i look around i dont see pregnant chicks walking around. A few maybe will get pregnant but thats there own problem and they shouldnt solve it by killing it and to girls who have been raped well i hope they all know that that baby they have inside of them i half of them, plus that baby that hasnt been born yet hasnt done anything to hurt her its the f***ed up father not and its still a human being god did not put us on this earth to kill each other and sense you feel so strongly about killing someone maybe i should go and get a gun and shot some pragnant chicks in the stomch but you know i can do that because some people belive its ALRIGHT TO KILL INNOCENT CHILDREN."
"would you want that same girl to commit suicide??? Because thats what happens to almost half of the percent of girls who terminate. Some guys have even killed themselves over it. Maybe if mothers would step up and care for their daughters more then women wouldn't be so careless. If it weren't for adoption I wouldn't even be alive right now because my mother was adopted. Even great athletes were adopted. And how dare you blame over population on pregnant people. The government is so busy taking care of things that don't matter that they let tones of people come into this country LEAGLE OR NOT."
"C0D3 I fail to see anything discriminatory in my statement. It's the truth, pure a simple. I never said a mom "loves" her child more I merely said the bond was different. You can dislike my comment but it is what it is. Do I feel for men? Absolutely but it still doesn't change anything."
"How about stepping up the sex ed in schools???? How about we stop giving money to illegal aliens and instead use it to help these young moms?? The adoption process needs to be reformed as well. If it were easier and less expensive to adopt, I'd have more children tomorrow. Why do people always have to look for the quick and easy way out of everything? No matter what, the woman will always have to live with the decision. When she looks into the eyes of the child(ren) she chose to keep. Victor as a man it's easy for you to look at abortion from such an insidiously logical sort of way because you cannot and will not ever carry another life inside your body. You will never know the true joy a mother experiences through child birth. I have experienced it myself and the bond a mother shares with her children is like nothing in this life. If you felt that, you would NEVER suggest abortion."
"i believe abortion should be legal in all states because you can get raped and you should have the choice to get rid of it if you want ."
"I like the way you think, treasure nnadi. I love it when people agree with abortion, especially since this world is getting too overcrowded, and we need more extreme version of birth control. So, a few babies die Big deal, one less criminal running down the street, and one less non fan of mine, which makes me happier, especially since I never have to meet them.I really respect your opinion on this, and the antis are the reason for abortions, especially with all the thumbs down they give us. I say we need more of them, and to the one person who told me they commited suicide over abortions, hey, if I could, I'd encourage it for them, especially since they don't buy my products, or do a tribute to me, so they die, and I smile. End of story on my part."
"Well, JDH, as far as that goes, no, I am not compensating for anything, unlike yourself, who apparently loves nwhat I say, based on your responses, like you told other people, you are expressing your viewpoints, I am doing that as well. I do makes jokes about it, but that is what I do. I don't care very much if people have them one way or the other. I am pro-abortion, like you are pro-life. I am just participating in the conversation. And to respond to your previous comments about women having the choice to have one, I am all for it. I love the idea of someone having an abortion, and if they choose to do it, so be it. I am just expressing my viewpoint, as nyou are expressing yours. And by your response, with very few exceptions, you seem to have the bigger ego, not me."
"put it up for adoption instead of killing it someone wants that baby"
"which is better rape or murder?and 1% of abortions are from rape and incest."
"See Victor, you are making a huge joke of this. You don't really care either way about abortion. Do you have THIS much time on your hands or shouldn't you be off in a corner??? A "man" with an ego as large as your has to be over compensating for something."
"I dont believe it is as simple as yes or no right or wrong. things that should be legal:Aborting to save the life of the motherAborting a non-viable fetusaborting a fetus conceived in cases of incest or rape.stem cell research on embryo's General Abortion before the 14th week of gestationThings that should Not be legal:General abortion after the 14th week of gestation unless the life of the mother is in danger or the fetus is considered non-viable.Partial Birth Abortion in ANY form is an atrocity.Primarily unwanted pregnancy should be prevented. Unwanted or Inconvenient pregnancy should be carefully considered before termination, and 3 months is a long time for consideration. It is also less likely to cause emotional scarring and only 12% of abortions currently performed occur after the 12th week of gestation. Such laws would change very little in the way of statistics. But draw a clear line for both those who are pro life and those who are pro choice, that there must be a dividing line, Time for a woman to be free to choose what she wants to do with her own body and if she chooses not to terminate or fails to make a choice, time for her body to be home to the life she chose to risk creating within it."
"If a girl gets raped, she shouldn't have to go through the pain of being pregnant. She will not only be scarred from the rape, but she will be scarred from the people who judge her and reject her because she's pregnant. She shouldn't have to go 9 months of pain, judgement, and changes in her body that she is not ready for, just to give birth to a child that isn't even fully developed or aware of life. "what about a c-section?" why should she have to live with that scar for the rest of her life for the child of her rapist? "give the kid up for adoption." this solves nothing and fails to address that she had to go through the process for nothing and then just gives the child up. what if the child was going to be born with major mental and/or physical defects? the child would not have a happy, normal life. Neither would the mother.What if the mother was physically unable to carry a child? what if your wife, mom, sister, or best friend died because she was carrying a baby that was killing her? I don't believe it should be used unless the woman is raped or the child or mother will be put in harm's way if she was to give birth. Get off your high horses."
"1% of abortions are from rape and incest."
"Look at this! If she was raped then why would she again go thru having the pain of killing an innocent baby! She may have gotten pregnant by mistake, but adoption is always another option and she should take it no matter what! Do u even know what those mothers go thru! Well I think not!"
"it is okay to have an abortion because having the unwanted child to give up for adoption will send him/her the message that they were unwanted, and going to school, kids will make fun and tell them their mother was a prostitute or something horrible like that."
"there r other kinds of protection you can use, not just one"
"so you say that it will send them a message that they were unwanted??? what is killing them saying??? STILL UNWANTED!!!!"
"Personally, I am pro-choice. Now, I don't think that a woman should go out and use abortions as a form of birth control and whatnot, but it's her right to do what she wants with her body. There are circumstances where a woman doesn't want a baby that was forced upon her (namely rape) and she can't use a form of protection. But I also see a bunch of people saying "well, then she should put it up for adoption!" Well, there are also circumstances where birthing the baby will put the mother's and/or the fetus's life in danger. So then should we just let them die? I also tend to hear religion brought into this discussion a lot. This is NOT a matter of religion, it's a matter of legal rights, and nobody should tell anyone what is right or wrong to be done with their own bodies, it should be left up to that person whose body it is."
"abortion should be legal....... BAM"
"Hey, Mav, I like the way you think. Abortion should be legal, BAM! If what they are saying was true, I suspect they were saying that to garner our favor to them. Truth of the matter is, parenthood isn't always pleasent, with the economy, the possiblility of kids becoming the next Jeffrey Dahmer, or pedophile running around, and besides, who cares if people have an abortion. I say the more the merrier, especially since they aren't my biggest fan, so one less piece of shit roaming this earth. Hey, you can't buy honesty and truthfulness such as this, so I am giving it for free, lol.As far as JDH, abortions are what keeps people like you away from us, and as far as we are concerned, that is how we like it. I bet the antis go for abortionsl more than the pros, they just don't want to admit it. And as far as defending pro-life talk to the people who regret getting pregnant, and see their lives and tell me you are still pro life. ABORTIONS FOREVER. I love them all."
"Uh, to answer your question, I base it on what I have seen, and as far as the aborted babies go, well, I look at it this way, society has dodged bullets with them, by elimination of the financial, and emotional burdens.I don't believe they would make a positive impact on society. THAT part, I find highly amusing, especially since more crimes such as vandalism is committed now more than ever, and with nothing to look forward to, since the jobs are going overseas, and famine, I don't believe for one second that it would be true. And the crap that YOU discuss, JDH, is worse than people bring in, with future criminals that you apparently are in favor of, since you seem to defend something as assanine as pro-life. I don't believe that they will make a positive impact on society, and based on your arguments, neither would your words."
"hey mav, its not cool to legalize abortion. it is legalizing murder if you think about it !!! just get over your self and think if it was you. if you was that baby..would you wanna live out your life? would you rather be born into a family that isn't your own blood or not be born at all??? -email@example.com-"
"Victor, do you ever think for a moment about the babies that are being aborted? I mean you talk a lot of crap about how abortion prevents more rapists, murderers, people like you and so on and so forth but what about kiddos that would have made a real positive difference on society?? You are one strange man and you base a lot of what you say off of assumptions rather than facts."
"Murder is murder.......BAM!"
"One of the con commented " its your fault if you didn't wear protection to have the baby" Most condemn brands( for example Trojan) Say they have a 2% chance of becoming pregnant. so this " if you wear a condom you won't have kids.. that is false. And Kids now a days are having a lot of sex and even if they wear condoms they could still have a possiblilty to get pregnant. do you think they are ready for that responsiblility? What if you were in a finicial crisis and you found out your 15 year old daughter was pregnant? First of all you would get mad and yell at the father and her. but All in end you wouldn't be able to support another child. You could put the baby up for adoption but just think of the harrassment your daughter would be going through if she was pregnant for 9 months. if she would have an abortion without any other kids knowning everything would be ok. Someone said the child feels pain after a certain point.. do it before then? it is as easy as that. you don't have to go for abortion. that is why it is legal, because if you don't have to do it... then why complain? it isn't your child or choice... you don't know what the parents may be going through."
"the 15 yr old daughter and her partner shouldn't have put themselves in the position where they could give in to the temptation of having sex. her having the baby will teach her some responsibility since apparently she didn't have enough to keep her occupied. idle hands bring trouble. (abortion doesn't take care of the STDs that get transmitted during sex. it actually increases the probability of getting herpes, chlamydia, gonorrhea, ect. )"
"If the Holocaust was happening today you wouldn't just say, "Well I can't complain, they're not making me kill anyone so whatever." Really I think the vast majority of pro-choice arguments could just as easily be used to make it legal to kill newborn infants or pretty much any other human for that matter."
"I believe abortion should be legal for the fact that bith the mother and unborn are in danger at birth the father wont get a say in who he wants the doctors to save. Is the father not as important as the mother? What if he wants to save the his wife or girlfriend and then later n have more kids. But if abortion is illegal then he wil get no say in that"
"what if you are raped? you can't help it and it's not your fault. :("
"Yeah, abortion would make sense in that case, because you don't want to be carrying the child of someone who did it, no argument there. As far as that one goes, yeah, it would be better, and you aren't thinking of yourself in that case. I can't imagine that a kid coming out of someone knew that their father forced their mother to have them. Can you imagine how that would scar a kid for life? They would wish death upon themselves knowing that, I can tell you that since I knew someone who was a product of that, and they told me that if they could turn back time, they would tell their mother to get an abortion. Same as those whose father or mother sexually abused them (There are mothers who do that, believe it or not), or was abusive, they would wish for an abortion. So, to the anits, think about the aforementioned before you decide to speak against it, and realize that if you were in those situations, wouldn't you want abortions to prevent these things from happening to the child, or a child growing up knowing they were the result of something like that."
"see everyone says what if you were raped yea but it is still human a person no matter what way you put it why not adoption even if you were raped every person deserves a chance. the only case scenario is rape the same way the person lives with rape they have an option give the baby away dont kill it. its not always about what the parent thinks once you become pregnant all of a mothers prioritys change its about the child then."
"thats what im saying, if you got raped, then would you still want go through the pregnancy when you know the only reason you got pregnant is because a sick person raped you, i know i wouldnt because that would haunt me the rest of my life. your always going to remember that, and if you child one day asked who his or hers father is, what are you going to say, you cant lie, you would put them through trama when they found out that their father is a rapist. i totaly agree with you amber, you shouldnt have to put yourself and that child through that kind of trama, doubt, hate, and sorrow. when you do have kids, give that child a long happy life, but dont put them through all the mean names people say these days, like "oops baby" thats the biggest and worst name somone can ever call someone because your putting that child, or adult through sorrow. yea so i think, if you want an abortion, then go for it even though having one could hurt you, it could also have a great outcome to life. say what you want to think of my comment but its my opinion, you cant change it i believe what i feel is right."
"you are right! but it doesn't mean is not your fault to murder the inocent human being....the mother and child is the victim on that situation but you can't just blame the child."
"Put it up for adoption?"
"Even if you are raped you should not commit murder. That baby may grow up to be president or that baby may solve the cure to cancer."
"i do not understand how this is even a debate. it is no one else's business if someone does not want a child.and to say that that child deserves to be born even if the mother does not want it is no good because let's say this person who doesnt want a baby is forced to have it. what then? they have to go through nine months carrying a child they never wanted. you people who are against abortion are ridiculous in trying to butt in on other people's lives. until that pregnancy turns into a baby it is till just a pregnancy and the pregnant mother is still just that one person.that is her body parts inside her.if you dont get a say on whether or not they want a boob job then u dont get a right on whether or not they decide not bring THEIR OWN CHILD into this world or not.IT IS A CHOICE. IT IS THEIR OWN BODIES IT IS THEIR OWN BLOOD AND BREATH THAT CREATES A CHILD SO IT SHOULD BE THEIR OWN MIND THAT GETS TO DECIDE"
"If people are truthfully pro-life, they are the heartless ones, especially since they want to keep taxes raised, and having people more miserable than them. If they looked at people, and realized that the choice they made to have an abortion, and realized that it wasn't a selfish decision, this topic wouldn't be so what it is now. The antis on here don't even realize that they are the reason for birth control, as well as their mentalities, children and the economy with the lack of jobs and people resorting to welfare, or no jobs. I don't care if people disagree, look around you, and see the world for what it is. With all the problems going on with them bringing kids into the world, it is getting worse, not better. So they have a kid, and then wind up regretting it. They change their minds many times, and I don't buy half their arguments, since I've known people say they regretted having kids. So, this is why I am pro abortion, and I salute you for feeling the same way. Rock on"
"I wonder that if a baby that was to be aborted lived to be gay, if people basing their arguments on religious grounds would still protect its "rights"."
"I agree with you, K. But still..You can't blame the whole for the mistakes made by the few."
"No Christian has the right to judge another human being. I am against abortion but it's not my right to judge someone for having one. I would always lend my shoulder and my ear to a woman hurting after an abortion - I always have. As for being gay, again, not my right to judge. Being a Christian is about accepting others and giving unconditional love - not condemning them but it doesn't mean we have to agree with what they do."
"Making it illegal simply means that middle class and poor women have no access to safe methods, but will do it anyway through illegal and dangerous methods. The wealthy can always find a method (pay a doctor, travel to another country) to get an abortion. I don't support late abortions and don't think it should be a method of birth control, but no child should come into the world unwanted and no woman should be forced into motherhood. As for the religious side of it, the government should not be trying to legislate morality. That is an individual choice."
"No women should be forced into motherhood:? Set aside from rape cases, generally speaking, one should abstain from sex in order to prevent pregnancy.....Wouldn't that make more sense? I mean, if she should have to not have sex, like its some kind of reward, then she should be responsible in every manner possible....That would kind of void the need for an abortion and, as you say, she wouldn't be forced into motherhood."
"So a woman dying during a 'dangerous' abortion isn't okay with you but a baby dying due to an abortion is?? The word hypocrite comes to mind."
"I myself, had to have an abortion at the age of 16 and it had a great effect on my life. If I was to have that child it would have been born with many health issues because of my lifestyle. I believe it would have been very unfair to the baby if I had given birth in that kind of situation. I do not believe it should be used as a birth control, but there are many circumstances where people cannot have the child. I now have a three year old daughter that I love and cherish, and I'm glad I made the decisions I did when I was younger or I wouldn't be where I am today."
"Doctors lie I was supposed to come with the down syndrome and I didn't. I came out perfectly fine. When I was in my moms womb she had 6 doctors that recommended her to abort me she decided to have me. the doctors were shocked when I was born and they later discovered they had made a mistake."
"I respect that. You seem to have made some good life choices."
"Glad that you felt it was all right. When you have an abortion, you are not thinking of yourself, you are thinking about what is best for the baby, and shouldn't that be what it is about? Forget what the antis think. You felt it was the right thing to doy, and you lived to tell about it. See, it wasn't so bad, since you put yourself aside, and thought about what was best, and now you don't have such a bad situation. That's good. :) I am happy for you. Rock on."
"Camera-First, That's mean.Second, people make mistakes. Sometimes people just don't know what to do and just do it."
"I have a friend with a beautiful and amazing 7 year old child who was born with special needs. When she was pregnant, the doctors told her that she should expect a miscarriage. She held onto the hope that her baby would survive and he did. Life has been tough at times but no matter how challenging it may be, she never regrets having her beautiful son. They were never able to isolate the gene(s) which caused her son to be born with special needs but they called it a "fluke" - for lack of a better word. When she got pregnant for the second time, the doctors gave her the same sad news that this one would also be born with the same birth defects as her son. She was devastated but still, did not abort her baby. A month later she went in for more testing and the docs admitted they had made a mistake. Her daughter was born completely healthy...Imagine if she'd had an abortion. I'm sure it's easy for some not to grieve the unborn children they've aborted but now that you're a mom, you must admit that if you lost your daughter after loving her for 3 years, you'd be torn apart. A life is a life. A baby is a baby and they all deserve the right to live."
"I despise people like you. Going around having babies when they are still only teenagers. I hope it haunts you everyday that you murdered a child because you thought it would have health issues. Where's your 3 year old now? Does she have health issues?"
"yes because under the circumstances how women get pregnant there is a special need for abortion"
"What if a woman is raped. Now, the automatic for all you pro-lifers, would be adoption, right? Obviously none of you have ever had children. If you had, you'd realize that the bond between mother and child is one like no other. Giving up a child is arguably one of the hardest decisions a woman could ever make. Although I am in my teens, I am a mother and I've never loved any one as much as I do my daughter. Of course, if I had been raped, the pain of looking at the child for the rest of my life would be too much. It would interfere with my healing and my ability to parent. Abortion most of the time is a relief to the mothers. Carrying a child to term, regardless of whether you choose to parent or adopt out, will still leave a permanent reminder of your pain."
"should be legal because people have the right to choose and because there maybe some reasons why many women decides to make an abortion."
"I'm pro for abortion because why is it anyone else buisness if someone were to get an abortion? What if someone got raped or if young teenagers accidentally made the wrong decision, they can't take care of a baby. I know its terrible to KILL another human being, but if you think about it. Its no ones choice besides the person its coming from. Plus anyone who is trying to adopt a child there are more than enough infants out there to get adopted so anyone to bring in adoption is in the wrong state of mind."
"I am pro because criminalizing abortion will cause the rate of maternal mortality to increase. I am morally and ethically against the procedure and I don't want my tax dollars paying for it. I am also against fascism and theocracy dictating our laws. People have their reasons for their decisions and that is between them and whatever higher power they believe in. I do not believe that it is loving or right to push your religious and moral beliefs on others to the point of harming them."
"Of course it should be legal. Why shouldn't it be? It's not your say whether the woman can start or end a life, PLUS..if the abortion is done before the fetus is formed, is it really taking a life? and who would know the difference if no one but the doctor and person included knew?"
""It's not your say whether the woman can start or end a life" Are you reading your own words?"
"So why not a mother of five year old kid, can she take the life of her daughter? If a mother has the right to decide who lives and who dies among her children, is that right?When a moment of conception occurs a living individual exists. You started there. I also started there. Everyone reading this response started out at that stage. A child is a human being from 6 months, to adulthood, and finally unto their very last breaths. It isn't so difficult to see the truth that at every stage of life, conception to death, we are human beings.If we really believe that doing what is right is at all important, regardless of when someone is looking or not, than we have to do the right thing and avoid the wrong. If no one sees a crime, it is still a crime. The crime is an act of inhumanity."
"I feel that to a certain extent abortions are okay. I feel that if you are sexually assaulted and are impregnated be your assaulter that you should have the right to have an abortion because chances are you are not going to have to want to handle a child for the rest of your life that came from something so negative, also the emotionally stress it may cause. Also if a woman knows that she will be unable to give her child a proper home and is just not emotionally ready for a child that she should be able to have an abortion because there is a chance that if she puts her child up for adoption that child may still never get adopted or if the child is adopted, they may not get treated right in their placement home. Nevertheless, I am not saying that women should just get abortions freely simply because they don't want their child."
"I am pro-choice because it is the moral choice for the future. I believe in making a better place for the future of humanity. Studies have proven that our society's willingness to accept abortion has made a significantly positive impact on violence and criminal activities. (Please read "The Impact of Legalized Abortion on Crime" by Donohue and Levitt for one such study.) Additionally, abortions also help us alleviate one of the greatest concerns for future generations - limited resources. Besides these two points, which aim to protect the rights of future generations, certainly a noble moral objective, there are additional moral reasons to consider: No child should be born unwanted. Life can be cruel, but especially for those that struggle to find love and acceptance in this world. Also, no person should be forced to harbor another living thing within their own body against their will. If I suddenly required the womb of a woman to survive I would not demand it be given to me because such a thought is absolutely absurd, if not immoral. Lastly I will end by saying that it is unjust for a government to claim ownership of a woman's body.Please! I humbly beg you, consider my message with an open heart and mind. Thank you."
"Hi.I do see some of your points.Trust me- I did read try to read it with an open mind. However, I have to disagree.The limit of global resources should not even be considered as a justification for denying someone else life. People who are already born have had an equal at least to opporotunity to live.I disagree that just because we are getting a little cramped that we should deny other humans the simple right to live. I also see your point on being born unwanted. I am 16 years old, and I actually have many adopted friends & I've heard their stories.They too were not wanted for one reason or another,but they were offered other opportunities.I have never heard them say to me that because of this experience they wished they had never been born. At most 1% of pregnant mothers who became pregnant because of rape actually go through have an abortion resulting in the vast majority people even forced against their will to be pregnant- don't regard abortion as an option. If 99% of pregnant raped women don't want an abortion, people who have CHOSEN to have sex,are not being forced. Finally, the goverment would not claim a woman's body- it would claim the baby,because of the fact that he/she can not yet defend his/her life themselves."
"I am pro-choice because no one else's religious beliefs should dictate what i can and cannot do with my reproductive life."
"What does lynching have to do with abortion when lynching was done by the whites to the black. Lynching was a sport to the white man it was a spectacle that was jeered on by on lookers. Before a black person was lynched they were tortured by having their fingers and toes cut off. Some were dipped in flammable fluids and set on fire before being lynched. Lynching was so entertaining to the white man that the would they would come from afar to see an innocent black person die because of his skin color. When this was happening not one white person thought about that persons's family that was being lynched. Lynching was so outrageous that the whites were sending families and friends postcards of the lynchings. How can you sit their and compare abortion to lynching? People are not lynching babies they are stopping the pregnancy before it starts . Many fathers are killing their unwanted babies along with their mothers. I would rather a woman terminate her blood cell than to bring a baby into the world that's not going to be loved, nurtured, taken care of financially, neglected and abused. I see it on the news everyday and so do you. Lynching should never be compared to lynching. Lynching was brutal and inhumane. Abortion is not."
"Adoption is worse than Abortion....knowing you have a child somewhere and don't know where they are."
"i would rather know i HAVE a child then to know i KILLED my child!"
"a child you didnt want in the first place!!!you will at least know that your child is alive and healthy"
"Technically abortion is not killing a baby its killing a fetus."
"Even if that's true it's still at least partially human so if we're gonna treat murder like the sickest crime on the planet, we might as well treat abortion like it's at least BAD. Like when Casey Anthony killed her child, society viewed her as a sick creep but is it really so different then if she had just killed the child while it was still in her womb. I mean a two year old child isn't exactly fully developed yet and she probably wasn't contributing to society much. And she was inconvenient for Casey Anthony to have. And she was still dependent on her mother in a way, like fetuses are. Really life is so precious I don't care if it's not "technically a baby" or not I just want to make absolutely sure that we're not killing people for the sake of convenience. The woman/mother should have just stayed abstinent."
"I do not believe a bunch of cells is a person. I do not believe in God. This does not make me a good person or a bad one, just someone who has a right to my beliefs. If you believe that a fetus is a person, I respect that. Then don't have an abortion. But just because you think differently than I do, you should respect my beliefs as I respect yours.My body is inviolable, and I have the right to make all decisions regarding it. Government has no right to dictate my sex life, my reproductive life, or come between me and my doctor. That is the very definition of freedom."
"If you don't believe that a "bunch of cells" is a person, then you believe that you are not a person. So do you think it's okay for someone to kill you because you interfere with their life's plans? Abortion is a part of Obamacare, so if I want healthcare, I'm automatically responsible for paying for something that I believe is morally wrong. That is a violation of MY religious freedom."
"I always respect those who are willing to share their voices but I believe that you are very sadly mistaken. Your body is no different than mine or anyone else. The second an egg is fertilized, it becomes a life and I find it sickening that anyone would be able to just kill an unborn child. If you or anyone else wouldn't be able to find it in your heart to love a child because of circumstance, then you should never have children. Sorry, just practicing my right to share my own beliefs."
"I personally can speak about whether abortion should be legal or not and my position is that it should be legal because you may never know the kind of situation someone is facing, whether it be financial or emotional. I had to have an abortion at the age of 18 and to this day i still lay in my bed and cry and tell that unborn baby that i am sorry, everyday. People may not know the aspect on which it has on a person, but its hard especially if you know it was forced upon you to have an abortion. I just think in all fairness that the woman and the man should make the decison, but the woman should have the final say because its her body. But speaking from experience it haas a long-term affect on you and soome what of a strain on your relationship, because of resentment."
"@Camera.You obviously don't know what being an orphan is like. Take it from someone who knows.I remember a time when I didn't have anyone at all. The first 16 years of my life were full of nothing but self-hate and longing. I still feel as though I wasn't good enough for my mother and she didn't want to deal with me at all--and I blame myself for putting a burden on her."
"I understand your hurt. I had an abortion when I was 18 because I feared being kicked out of the house. My parents hated my boyfriend. My boyfriend and his mother wanted me to get an abortion and pulled out the phone book to find a clinic when I didn't get my period. I didn't want it, it went against my religious beliefs and my own personal sense of right and wrong. I am now 40 and have been blessed with a son and a daughter. I read these negative posts and it kills me inside that people say such hateful things. You will NEVER EVER know what it is like to live with that guilt and pain until you go through it yourself. I have been forgiven by the one and only, God himself. If he meant to punish me, I would have never given birth to two beautiful children. Thank you God for loving and forgiving me. I only wish I could learn to love and forgive myself. Someday I will go to my grave happy because I will finally be able to hold my baby; the baby I will never forget."
"And what if your parents didn't have enough money to care for you? Personally, I would rather be in an orphanage thatn DEAD>"
"yes abortion should be legal because if a girl or woman gets raped they should not have to have a child if they didnt want to. its not their fault and what if its a young child like 13 or 14 year old that wasnt ready to have a kid. they should be able to have an abortion."
"I like the way you think, Ciera DeLaRosa. It is about time someone said it that way. Abortion should be granted at ANY age. I mean, like that girl in Colombia, being a single mother at age 10. 10! What kind of family would allow a 10 year old to have a child, right? If abortions were permitted, they would prevent things such as that, along with future child molestors, pedohpiles, and other bad people, such as the antis and Todd Aiken's running around.Sure some may feel guilty, but with circumstances, abortions prevent things like a child growing up in a bad economy, and resorting to drugs, and crime, which most of them do, because of selfish idiots who decided to keep them instead of aborting them, but only idiots would do such a thing. Pro-life is an example of stupidity, and selfishness, especially when you see them on a wanted poster in either a post office, or an elevator, because someone was stupid enough to keep the baby and bring them up now.LEGALIZE ABORTIONS! And to the antis, thank you for making it so cheap for the pros to have an abortion. We thank you for making it cheap for us to do it, so deal with it."
"First of all, when pregnant women are murdered, the murderer is generally not charged with 2 counts of murder.Moreover, a fetus is not a baby, just like an egg or a sperm is not a baby. I have my period every month - does that mean that I'm a babykiller?"
"It's a womens body, not the babies. And what about cases of incest, rape, or a baby being born with a condition so unberable. Should the mother be punished with a child in these cases? What if the mother is in poor living conditions or cant responsibly support a baby. Should she be punished for that?"
"there is something called adoption"
"I feel some people are not ready to have children. wheather its drugs, money, age or maturity level. I feel not everyone should have children. plus its not murder they arent even fully developed yet. I think people who use this as birth control or do it when the baby is kinda developed is wrong but you cant judge people. people who doesntbelieve in it have to think of all those people who dont want it but have it anyways.. do you think those kids will have a good life they deserve??? no..."
"If the person isnt ready to have a baby, then they aren't ready to have sex either. Don't have sex unless you accept the punishments. Babies are more develpoed then you think. they have a heartbeat at 5 weeks old, which means they feel pain."
"Two things.... That baby is a living breathing growing creature, its developing. When your concieved, you will be developing the rest of your life. Did you know that your brain is not fully developed until your 25? Your liver can regrow and your heart beats. 2. There is a lovely little thing called adoption... I know many people who are or who have adoped or have been fostered... they tured out ok."
"There are too many people on this planet, I don't need anymore, we need a lot less actually. Don't be a moral whiner."
"Abortion shoul only be legal to those who were raped and did not have any choice. Otherwise, it was your choice and now you have to live with it,"
"To every one who says you shouldn't abort your baby....well you know it's not your choice.....it's hard enough for someone who has to live with the fact of what they did.....but they did it for all the right reasons........"
"Pro-Choice? Why not Pro-Abortion???I'm all for abortion, I find it about as necessary as water. Why can't a woman have an abortion if she wants? It's her decision. Not like the baby can think, any of you guys remember what it's like to be in the womb? Didn't think so. So who really cares?"
"Because society is built on Hypocrosy."
"uhh you obviously have no care for human life. water keeps you alive, abortion kills, you think about it"
"I am only pro because I believe in an individuals right to choose what happens to their own body, and their own life. However, I deplore abortion as I also feel that it is wrong. I personally had one at the age of 20, and it haunts me still today. I believe in our government, yet I also believe in the plain wrongness in the act."
"Babies are also individuals, but when they are aborted, they have no choice."
"Some people aren't ready its the mother's choice isn't it?"
"Of course it is, Abbie. She has the baby inside her, therefore it is her choice, and hers alone. Most of the time, they get pregnant, and the guy either abandons them then, or after the kid is born, because they didn't use protection, and he put it in the birth canal, and was too stupid to know better, mainly because of oppression of sexual education.As far as choice, absolutely, and she is thinking of the kid, especially since the kid might be disabled, or might turn out to be a criminal later in life, so for that, it would be best for her to get an abortion. Sure she might be haunted, but that is because of her listening to conservative, pro life moralists. If she listened to people like the pros, she wouldn't feel so guilty, and realize that it is what is best for the kid. The cons are being selfish by saying it is murder, but if they were in that position, I bet 99.98% would take the abortion over it. Besides, who knows, the kid might be a huge burden. I say the more abortions the merrier."
""The cons are being selfish by saying it is murder, but if they were in that position, I bet 99.98% would take the abortion over it."Please cite your source."
"Actually yeah it is your choice but if you anit gonna want da baby DONT OPEN YOUR LEGS"
"it's called adoption u can still have a baby but give it away to someone else"
"The same people who say abortion is murder are the same people who don't try to make the kid have a good life"
"I agree, it is just that. I mean, with a miserable life that not only the child will lead, but the parents as well because of constant conflict is it worth having a baby? Babies grow up, and when the grow, THAT is when the trouble starts, with thing such as bullying, abusive behavior, and the next thing you know, the kid is in an orange suit. Abortion can help prevent that type of thing. I know a woman who is a single mother and she told me that if she could've had an abortion, she would have. I've seen results of people having kids, and alot of them told me that if they could've had an abortion, they would have. It would have saved them also alot of money, aggravation, and also costs of lawyers and court, since many times, that is where most kids wind up. That is why I was so thankful for George Tiller, since he did the right thing. It was stupid for that man to kill him.You made a good point tutu man. The less babies being born the merrier, especially since there wouldn't be any financial burdens, and to those who were denied seeing your kids, maybe you might look at it as not seeing them in an orange suit or on that wilkos show being humiliated. End os story."
"How do you know? about how to give a good life to the child. if you never give a chance the child to live. is it a good life for a baby to abort it?"
"Are you kidding there are tons of Christian organizations that do give a lot to the poor and stuff and they'll still fight against abortion. It's annoying how a Christian or other religious person could probably donate a million dollars to feed starving children, then if they drop in a nickel to stop abortion then people are all like "why do you care more about the unborn children than the living ones?" Irreligious people are so quick to criticize religions sometimes that they forget to actually think about the legitimacy of their claims. And then they call themselves freethinkers, lol... besides there are quite a few studies showing religious people are more charitable, not saying they prove anything but you can't sit here and act like religious people don't try to give kids good lives."
"abortion is a scary concept, there are 2 very different ways people look at this, and mine goes something like this: people make mistakes, it's just how we do. the last thing we want is to take responsibility for them. children are expensive, they break apart relationships, and theres no telling what would happen if you decide not to abort your child. i'm sure if you really wanted a kid you wouldn't get an abortion. and i'm sure that if you knew there was no way you could support your child, an abortion would be your best option. adoptions scary, because you don't know who your giving your kid to. alot of the time parents hide the fact that they're children are not biologically theres, and that creates a HUGE problem in the future. people like to assume they know whats right for other people, but until they've taken a walk in someone else's shoes, they're completley oblivious to someone else's life."
"of course it should be legal. wat r u all thinking."
"I agree, Todd. It should be legal. These antis have the misconception that it will be forced by law, and that just isn't true. What will happen if it is allowed, is that for those who want it, (key word, THOSE WHO WANT IT) can have it, and it can be done in a safe, and risk free enviornment. The antis on here are the reason we need abortions now more than ever, especially since if it were up to them, taxes would be raised, and more criminals will be running around, as well as pedophiles like Michael Jackson, and the ones who appeared on that Wilkos show. If we had more abortions, things like this wouldn't happen. Besides alot of them are too spineless to form their own opinion, so they follow the cons. I am going to say this, I agree with abortion, since I don't have a big fan club, so if more people weren't around, less haters is how I look at it., So to the pros, keep up the good work, to the antis, MORE ABORTIONS! Especially since it will mean less of you people around. End of story on my part."
"I'm thinking about how much I love babies."
"Me too Daniel."
"It should be legal. If a woman gets raped and ends up pregnant, well, you didn't exactly want a baby in the first place. And besides, at 3 or 4 months, it doesn't even realize its existence. Legalize abortion, it's perfectly acceptable in my book."
"I think abortion should be legalized because not only does it help with population but alot of times the child wouldn't be able to be cared for if the parents are not prepared for the responsibility they are about to have. If you don't want to have a baby you can still take all the precautions and still have a chance of having a baby. you shouldn't not be able to have sex because of the risk of having a baby there shouldn't it shouldn't be a punishment for what most of us will do. In the end pro abortion is just the way to go!"
"I love the name, pro abortion. It rocks, but then again, so does abortion. If they don't want to have a baby, keep it out of the birth canal, and put it in another place, such as under it, and that way, you don't get pregnant. Only idiots would do that, when they don't want to have a baby.I agree, pro-abortion is the way to go. It means less anti's of abortion and other things on here, and less people I would have to meet both online and in real life, the more abortions, the merrier."
"i agree with thomas. it doesnt matter if the baby isnt fully developed. the point is people shouldnt be killing another human just because there not ready to be parents. help another family out that cant have children, give the child up for adoption.abortion isnt the way to go!!!!!"
"you can put your child up for adoption and let him share his or hers talents withsome who cares about them. And i never knew having a baby was a punishment.. that means you were a punishments"
"Killing a living thing is illegal."
"Actually it's still a parasite "living" off it's mother if it's unborn. It has no rights and no choice but the mother does. So it should be legal,and it's not really "kiling" in my opinion. But then again I'm a woman, and an atheist. So I'll admit I'm biased."
"We need more women like you, Honestly... We truly do. :)"
"@Dav:I'm not sure if you meant this to be a Pro-Life 'argument', if it can be called that.Plants, bacteria, fungi, and animals are all living things. It is only illegal to kill humans (currently those who have been born, and are not condemned for a crime), and endangered species."
"Honestly...I think you're a parasite. I hope you never reproduce."
"abortion shouldb be aloud. most of you are only thinking about the people who willingly dont use protection. but what about the ones who get raped, or the ones who are told their babies will be mentally challenged or will only live for 3 years after birth? you have to look at more than one side and realize it is up to the mother, her situatuion, and nobody else!"
"I like the way you think, Alyssa. If only more people thought like you. True, the child might have those conditions, or have that type of thing.I agree, it is up to the mother, as I stated to someone else, it is the cons who are selfish, especially since they don't realize that the mother is only thinking of the child, and sometimes, life forces you to make that kind of decision. It isn't about murdering the baby, it is about preventing things that possibly could happen, such as being the target of bullies, being disabled, or maybe being raised by a pedophile if you put it up for adoption. Abortion can be beneficial, since it can prevent that, and sometimes, the mother dies during the birth process. To the antis out there, Alyssa and many of the pros are right, plus, you people who are anti are the biggest reason for abortion and euthanization, especially with your selfish attitudes about adoption, and all that. Do you even realize the financial burdens that come with raising a kid and the life they might lead? To the pros, you are all right, thinking of the baby first is what should matter."
"Just because they get raped doesn't mean they have to get an abortion. there is always Adoption. If they dont want their child they should give the baby to someone who wants one and can't have one on there own."
"I personally believe that rape is a horrible crime as is murder, one crime for another is not right. I also believe that knowing your child is going to be born with a disability does not mean that they deserve to die. when ever you see a beautiful child with DS do you believe in the back of your mind that that child should have died or deserves to be dead, no you wouldn't. i do not believe it is the mothers situation of being murdered in such a gruesome way. That child is the one taking all of it. They die the mom goes on to live another day. I guess the baby unheard voice means nothing."
"it would only be okay to get one if you got raped.!!!"
"All people have a right ether if it is from rape or any thing else"
"Abortion should be allowed. If one says we are breaking a law of God, are you saying that we must all follow ONE religion's way? Some people do not believe in God. This is a country where all beliefs are welcomed. Also, this is someone else's business. Who are we to butt into someone's life and say what they can or can not do with their bodies. What about rapes? If you know you cannot give the baby a good life even with foster parents, you are just putting it in a hell anyways. Why are we so concerned with someone that hasn't been born when we don't care for the born? There are slaves, starving and dying and young girls sold unwillingly into prostitution. Why are we not helping them 1st? When we rid of these evils, then we can actually sit down to talk. How vain it is for you to sit down to tell someone else what to do when you yourself have not stood up to live and stand in their shoes."
"It's not all about religion man there's lots of science showing that life begins at conception. There are a lot of atheists and agnostics against abortion. Just go to godlessprolifers.org and you'll see there's a whole website for nonreligious people that are pro-life"
"*Ahem... Out of all abortions, 1% is from rape, while 93% percent is for social reasons (not wanting the baby), and the other 6% is health reasons... Just putting that out there...http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html"
"Christians seem to confuse law with morality. Law is what everyone in society must abide by or be punished. Morality is God's law, which NO ONE follows. We all fall short of God's standards. So, abortion is immoral, yes. But does that mean we have to make it illegal? I don't think so. As a Christian, I think we need to do whatever draws people to God. If we start getting on a pedistal and telling those who don't believe life has value from the moment of conception that they must act like it does we will only push them away. But if we address the issue in a way that brings them to know God, then they will be more likely to make better choices, meaning living in a way that abides by God's moral law rather than just society's law."
"Then tell me why the hell are we punished for killing someone? Killing is immoral then why is it illegal? I mean everyone should do what they want right and you know while were at it since a 12 year old boy isn't an adult lets kill it its not fully mature."
"As a brother in Christ I ask you, if abortion is something that is an abomination before God, then shouldn't we as His servants do all that we can to save lives from things like abortion. It shouldn't matter what other people think."
"We could eliminate abortion when the Artificial uterus is found to be safer than natural pregnancies.Technology got us into the problem of abortion (at least on a mass scale) and maybe it offers a solution. Women can give up their baby for adoption early in the pregnancy. Right to life and all pro life people should support and contribute to the development of this life saving technology. Both parties can agree with this and it might neutralize this as a political issue.Saying murder is wrong is a rRELIGIOUS statement - we don't argue it (although cannibals might) because we all agree it's wrong..Science can't tell us right and wrong, just what CAN be done, not what SHOULD be done = that's a moral/religious issue."
"God does not "prioritize" sin and say one is worse than others. Only people do that. I think this is the posters point. And people always pick the "sin" they are not guilty of to focus on."
"@Daniel.Where's your proof that God IS real?Although I agree with you about Sam's comment, I still disagree with you about yours. I could go into detail about why I don't believe in God, but I figure that none of my comments would get posted. Even if they did, a lot of religious people would get pissed at me for posting comments that go against their religion."
"Then drop the religious arguments and use secular ones. You don't have to be Christian to be against abortion. And Sam...please. Freedom of religion doesn't mean we all have to be atheist. I don't see your proof that God isn't real. In fact lots of agnostics and deists criticize atheists for acting so sure when they don't really know, because really that doesn't make you much different than anyone who "blindly" follows a religion."
"you are talking about your god not everyone else's.i certainly do not even think there is a god so really you are talkin nonsense.until the day you can prove to people there actually is some god it really shouldnt even be mentioned."
"I noticed that most of you "pro" people use rape as justification for abortion. Did you all know that rape cases only make 1% of the reasons why women actually get an abortion? Why do all of you fail to mention that? The majority of reasons why women get abortions are selfish. They include:- not being financially able- wanting to avoid shame at being pregnant- too many children to handle another one- too young - will ruin education and career-etc.These reasons are only thinking about the woman. No one can ever know for sure if a child would be miserable living in a poor home. Money isn't always everything. Children thrive under loving homes. If the mother doesn't want the baby, then adoption is the option! Who cares what other people think about you if they see you with a pregnant belly?? Now is not the time to feel self conscious! That fetus is a human being. It will never turn out to be a monkey or alligator. It's a human we're talking about. Some of you don't agree with abortion, but believe that women should have the choice. That doesn't make it right!! I can choose to kill a person, but I still go to jail because what I did was wrong. A baby is not part of a woman's body. It grows IN the body but IS NOT an actual part."
"I'm not trying to be rude, and I do see a lot of your views, but all of you act like adoption is an easy thing. Both choices will forever affect a person. Seeing your baby and then having to give it away is an incredibly hard thing to do, noble, but hard. And you said money isn't everything, but in today's times it is. I see hundreds of kids who struggle because of the money or family situation at home. You guys have no right to decide what a woman has to do with her personal life. If you don't believe in it, then don't get an abortion. But don't hurt women who have gone through the traumatic situation and now have to hear you preach to them as well."
"Ummmm. What about a woman's right? I am sorry to hurt your FEELINGS but laws are not about emotions. A woman has the RIGHT to control her body, to not want a baby, to not want to be pregnant, to not want to let something grow inside of her for 9 whole months, to REFUSE. She has the right to be SELFISH because she doesn't have to give birth and have a baby leave her vagina if she doesn't WANT to. You are MISSING the point- its HER body, and you need HER (the woman) to CONSENT. We live in a society that truly wants to control womens bodies. She has the consent and say so over what goes in and out of her vagina- PERIOD."
""Who cares what other people think about you if they see you with a pregnant belly??"... thank you, its like saying who cares what other people think about you if they know your thinking about getting an abortion..."
"Please consider that the reasons Alejandra listed have a great deal to do with the pregnant woman's awareness of how important raising a child is. Knowing that you are probably going to bring a child into the world without the means or support or ability to raise it should definitely be understood. Frequently there is an awareness that a life-long relationship through that child to a 'sperm donor' (whether rapist or someone you realize wouldn't be the best father) would not be in the best interests of a child or the woman.As for adoption instead, this is indeed a wonderful gift, but there are physical and medical, financial and even employment/educational issues to a pregnancy, not to mention the very real possibility that the child wants to know why you rejected her.It's a woman's body and her future - she makes her decision based on her best idea of what her life is now and could be later. Ultimately abortion in the majority of cases is a decision made based on maternal (in the purest sense of the word) issues - it may well be in the best interests of a future child. It's an existing life versus a potential life, and most women who choose abortion go on to have wanted loved and cared for children in the future."
"Yeah, but if its growing INSIDE OF THE WOMAN'S BODY THEN OBVIOUSLY ITS HER CHOICE NOT SOMEONE ELSE JUST BECAUSE THEY DONT LIKE THERE DECISION OKAY!!!"
"right because not being financiallly able is a SELFISH reason. not that being poor would ruin the childs life or anything."
"YO. Rape aint funny. Its not the mothers fault. They are inocent. SO. Next time you talk about rape being an excuse, think about it. Would you have a random strangers baby? Well think about that."
"yet, you also don't know if the women would be happy. try stepping into their shoes. Do you really want a child who could possibly be a subject to bullying? If there is a kid that gets bullied, how would he/she feel? They could possibly want to kill themselves."
"i just looked up the percentile of abortion reason for rape and it says 45 percent for every site. Dont lie to suport a reason, it is a sin."
"financially able, too young and too many children are not selfish actions! Its better to have a child and be able to suply for him then have one you can't. Too young is also not selfish, it could cause the childs life to be living hell. Too many isnt selfish either, the kid may not get attention!Even if a baby is not an actual part, it still hurts the mother and takes her energy, what if she has and needs her job and they will not give her time off? Mind your own bisness, if you hate abortion, don't do it!"
"Selfish? For wanting to give a child everything it needs? IF THEY DONT HAVE THE MONEY, then why would they want to bring a child into the world?"
"yes but its not selfish, its their situation isn't that of which a child can be properly cared for. Therefore they should have the option to choose if they want it for themselves, we shouldn't have a say in their lives"
"If it is not a part of a woman's body then why not just take it out and let the 6 week embryo grow elsewhere? Hmmm..."
"THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!! This is an excellent point and adoption is always an option. And you are right! If we judge how good or loving a family is by how rich they are, we should all examine our own lives."
"I agree 100%! That is so true. Jesus is all anyone needs to survive."
"Yeah I agree it's pretty annoying how pro-choicers act like every single abortion happens because the woman was raped when it's actually very rare. If a woman got raped, then I would say...FINE YOU CAN GET THE BLOODY ABORTION!!!!! But I would be sure to hook them up with the resources they needed to make the right choice and hopefully they would go through with the pregnancy and put it up for adoption.At any rate, the rape thing needs to quit being brought up every single time someone mentions abortion. The vast majority of abortions happen for selfish reasons like you said Alejandra so really that shouldn't be the main focus of the issue. We should focus on the 99% of abortions that women get because they had sex when they weren't ready for a baby, and often didn't even use birth control. I get that birth control doesn't always work, but abstinence does always work.Women who want abortions should just be thankful they aren't still living in Old Testament times where we would stone them to death for having sex. Just saying..."
"i believe you are correct, everything you say is true and right. !"
"Abortion is murder. Thats, that."
"i sure hope you've never swatted a fly or anything like that cause you might just spend the rest of eternity with satan!"
"Abortion is not murder until the fetus is at least 4 months old, but due to the logic that killing something that is not even living yet, would it not be murder to use condoms and birth control too? If you think about it condoms kill all the sperm from the male (murder), and birthcontrol basically kills the eggs in a woman (murder). So does this mean that we should make birthcontrol and condoms illegal too? Abortion should be a personal choice, and just like every choice it should be said that if you do not agree with it then do not partake in it. Really it is that simple."
"Self-assertive statements such as these reflect an unwillingness to accept the reality that these controversial issues are complex, delicate, and deserving of research and consideration. Certainly there are good reasons to take either side. We should all seek to understand the varied views in as much depth as will permit rather than stubbornly and cowardly hiding behind such deceptively simple, close-minded, and possibly misguided statement."
"That is only your opinion but has no basis of scientific fact!A fetus is not a person until it is out of the womb!"
"What about it terms of eptopic pregnancy?"
"BM09:"killing something that is not even living yet"A fetus is classified as a living organism, separate from its mother, since it fulfills the generally accepted requirements for life, and has very different genes (as opposed to such things as cancer, caused by relatively small mutations)Google:"mur·der/?m?rd?r/Noun: The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another."Whether or not they are a human being (person) is disagreed on."
"@Ethan- I'm definitely sure that a human soul is different from the soul of an insect. Human life must be celebrated and respected, whether that life is the womb or already born! Human life is sacred and it must be protected from conception until natural death. Killing a fly is NOT murder, but killing an innocent human being obviously is. I'm pretty sure that we can all agree on that. The question is when do we become human beings? We become human as soon as the egg is fertilized by the sperm since that is when our unique and distinctive DNA begins to form. After that, we just need time and nutrition until we are ready to be born. You were once a fertilized egg and you better thank the Lord that your mother did not choose to abort you because she did not want to take care of you! And I know it was a joke (at least i hope it is!) Use more intelligent comparisons if you're going to make a legitimate argument."
"By that logic, male masturbation is murder too."
"Its is not murder a fetus is not able to feel pain"
"Fortunately the U.S. government (and most governments in other first world countries) disagree with you."
"BM09 did you just really compare sperm to a fetus? What is wrong with you? I wish I could laugh in your face."
"Its murder women are using this as a birth control now a days. babies hart start beating a 5 weeks not 4 months."
"I think it shouldn't because you're taking a babies life that hasn't had the chance to live. It did nothing wrong."
"At Jennie: The reason why people call a baby a fetus is because they want to make it sound like it's a piece of tissue. But a fetus is a baby. Think about it. Cells grow into tissue which grows into organs which grows into organ systems which are all part of a human. Tissue is still living, not dead. A baby is a baby no matter what scientists/ people try to say or do."
"@Sarah Lee.I guess it depends on your definition of human. "At 5 weeks a fetus has a heartbeat and feels pain". Humans have heartbeats. If you want to get technical, for a whole five weeks, it wouldn't be a human. It's kind of like saying a seed is a flower. It's actually not, not yet."
"And if the mother was a victim of rape, she's done nothing wrong either. Unfortunately the laws in this country rarely protect the victim of rape. Nor do they protect the baby. The permission of the rapist will be needed in most cases to put that baby up for adoption and if he says no, the courts will side with him in most cases, even though he is the ONLY one who's done something wrong. Too bad we don't apply our sense of right an wrong evenly across the board."
"@Nanniiee- Are you a mental defective? More than 80% of people who rape are mentally competent. The baby would be more likely to be healthy and happy, the only reason idiots like you think that is because the kids can't speak for themselves. Why is that again? Oh yeah, YOU'VE KILLED THEM."
"you kill a fetus NOT A BABY......"
"okay but if you think about it and she was raped there has to have been a mental desiese with the guy who raped her and that kinda stuff runs into familys so think bout it if she was to keep the baby thats basicly like bringing a rapist into the world just to start that process all over again ?!?"
"Thank you! Plus, if you take the babies life before it has a chance to be baptized, then it might go to Hell for Original Sin. It might not, but why tempt fate, especially with a life that isn't your own?"
"thats so true."
"A fetus IS a baby. A human is a human, no matter the stage of life."
"im Con because no one should kill there child. It is there fault if they chose NOT to use protection. Its your responisbility. I mean if you didnt want a baby, next time use all the precautions that man kind has created for this purpose of preventing fertalation. Condoms AND birthcontrol were invented for a reason , HELL they even created easier birthcontrol from pills and also more pleasuristic condoms . No reason to kill your baby. Obviously it happened for a reasom. IF you have the baby and give it up for adoption that is WAY better dont you think?"
"No birth control or condoms are 100% affective. It could be a freak accident that was not due to human fault. People cannot always afford to go to the doctor to check on the baby during pregnancy nor can they afford to give birth. The process of birth is way more expensive than you are aware of. Keep in mind that the rich people in this country have 35% of the wealth and most aren't willing to pay more taxes so others can get doctors. And Anon-- try being pregnant with the spawn of a rapist. It's almost more mentally damaging than the act of rape. It sticks with you for an extra nine months. Plus Nikki, I think you should learn to spell correctly before people like you make the decision to make abortion illegal."
"Have you considered that the predominant sex education is abstinence only? These programs have been known to give completely false and inaccurate information about contraception (if they even address its existence at all). Many young men and women are led to believe that contraception doesn't work at all and therefore don't use it, or they rely on myths spread around by their peers. The other problem is access to birth control. Most insurance programs don't cover birth control. Some prescriptions can be over $100.00 a month! Even condoms aren't cheap. A three pack can be as much as $10.00 at most drug stores. There is also the fact that even those who have access to birth control don't always use it correctly. They think they are protected and then later find out they're pregnant. Anti-biotics and certain other medications can make hormonal birth control ineffective. If a person gets sick and is unaware of this issue they may accidentally get pregnant. If a barrier method fails the morning after pills is around $75.00, many people can't afford this emergency contraception. You should consider all the facts before making a judgement on people being irresponsible."
"i am adopted and have been in the systen for a couple years when i was younger. it isnt as good as you think. going through the system can psychological problems for kids ( i am perfectly fine and normal) and not all kids end up with a happy ending. most kids put up for adoption end up with abusive foster parents and in bad areas with crime and many hazards and also unhappy. abortion is best way to avoid events such as these. also the only thing you pro life people have to back up your arguement is religous views. no facts at all. those who say that its murder and that fertilizations makes it a human being and think your right are wrong. they are just your opinions based on philosiphies of others. religious views shoud not determine how the govt and laws are run and made so if you dont like the laws then move to a county where abortion is not available or leave the country. and just so u know 87% of counties dont offer abortion services so you can move almost anywhere. this country was built on freedom and woman have the right to do what they want with there bodies. not have thier right limited by church goers."
"contraceptives don't always work"
"so what is your opinion then if a child gets molested and impregnated her parents deemed her to young for birth control, what happens then?"
"Condoms and or birth control doesn't 100% protect you from gettting pregnant. On top of that, you spend nine months of your life devoting your body to the child. I see your side on this, but it should seriously be the womens choice if she has the baby or not."
"it's not their fault if they were raped. no form of protection other than abstinence is 100% effective. I am pro choice, so i believe abortion should be legal as a way out for people. what good does it do bringing a child into a life not right for them? Chances are if you need an abortion, you are either not responsible enough for a child or not in a situation to raise him/her. and as for giving it up for adoption, think about carrying around a person for months, going through hard times that you didn't plan for, and once you finally make the miracle of life happen, just give up a person to never see it again."
"The number of flaws in you argument, not too mention grammatical errors is sickening. 1. Not all women have access to birth control. VERY FEW insurance plans cover the HIGH COST of contraceptives. There are thousands of women who cannot afford these on their own.2. Consent to sex is NOT a consent to pregnancy any more than swimming is a consent to drowning.3. The current adoption system is already struggling to place children in homes, an influx of children will only further cripple this system. 4. Did you really say "pleasuristic" ?Please refrain from sharing your ignorant opinions next time."
"Protection doesnt work all the time, What if its rape, What if its rape and they are still in school? They wont let you go to school when your pregnant. This happened to my cousin and it ruined her chances of college, getting an education and getting a good job."
"Not everyone had the choice if they could take birth control or not....... There are cases were woman are raped what do you want them to do then? You just want them to suffer....yes abortion is murder but some people have no choice......"
"The adoption system is f***ed up. All of the cute little kids get adopted first, and then the older kids get cynical because they're constantly getting looked over by the potential adoptive parents. Also, I couldn't live with myself knowing there's a smaller version of me out there; they would end up looking for me and wondering why I didn't love them enough to keep them."
"Not everyone has the opportunity to make that choice - for example, victims of rape. What then?"
""I mean if you didnt want a baby, next time use all the precautions that man kind has created for this purpose of preventing fertalation."Yeah, that's great, that's smart, and couples should definitely utilize everything they can to prevent unwanted pregnancies; but not everyone has access to them. They are costly (especially when used for prolong periods of time) and often need prescriptions in order to obtain them in the first place. And even when on birth control, women are still susceptible to pregnancy, and like condoms they aren't 100% effective; condoms can have tears or break or slip off during intercourse and it even states on the packaging a 12-14% failure rate. (As insubstantial as that sounds, 12-14% can make a big difference.)"
"Have you ever heard of a mistake?"
"what if you got raped? then what huh never thought of that one did you!!!!"
"um... Nikki did you ever think about if the girl got raped. Honestly if you got raped you didn't have a choice to have sex. You were forced to. So it's not the girls fault. Also I'm not saying I agree to abortion because I don't like it at all. But still it's not right for a girl to get raped to."
"In cause of someone getting raped is that the victims fault to? is it there fault they didn't have a condom? Is it their fault they weren't on birth control when it happened? I don't think it is and if you do that's your problem."
"okay and did you know that a woman who is raped that the child fetus is more likely to be a criminal. why do we need more criminals out there, isnt there enough already."
"I agree with you 100% killing a baby should be the last thing on your mind."
"i think thats right and i would not kill the baby just use adoption insteed of abortion"
"Mike -- victims of rape have the opportunity to make the choice to give a baby up for adoption instead of killing it."
"Yeah! And its her fault if she decides to get raped! And the rapists fault for not using a protection!"
"If a person kills a pregnant lady the murderer is charged with 2 counts of murder, so why shouldnt the pregnant mother having the abortion be convicted of murder? In the first comment i said, the baby is counted as its own seperate life, in the second, the baby is nothing more than a mass that the woman wants to have removed."
"myth)i(jesus- so your saying that a mother has the right to choose when to kill her child. if she chose to kill it after like 3 years of it being outside of the womb then it would be okay since there is no difference between the toddler and the unborn child other than its size, level of development, its environment, and how dependent it is on its mother."
"I agree with you on that statement 110%. I get sick everytime I hear that these mothers are getting abortions they should not ever be even given the chance to get this abortion."
"I get what you're saying. If the mother wants the baby, then that baby is expected to be born, then it should get legal protection. If nobody presses charges on the woman's behalf or has a problem with the baby's death, it still isn't a living person. All the cells in your body are alive and have human DNA. should masturbation be illegal because it's "murder"? no. should a child be forced to come into this world if the mother doesn't want to care for him and be his lifeline for the remainder of its life? no. if a mother already has the choice to bring the child into existence already, should aborting them and deciding otherwise be considered illegal or immoral? no."
"That is absolutely true I agree with you 100%"
"Exodus 21:22-23, "And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall surly be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye,..."
"well, if a pregnant lady is murdered, she obviously wasn't planning on having an abortion, so taking the life of the woman and the unborn child that was planned on being born is waay different than killing a child that you didn't plan on being born."
""A person's a person, no matter how small""
"Is that not plagiarism?"
"not when it is a fetus!!!!"
"A fetus is not a person."
"yeah and a rapist is a rapist. would you want to go through 9 months of pregnancy with your rapist fetus?"
"Dr. Suess himself said that that phrase shouldn't be used for pro-life arguments"
""I'm not a baby, I'm a tumour""
""A fetus is not a person."That is your opinion. It is not proven, either way."
"I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born. ~Ronald Reagan"
"wow that is so amazing. i like the fact that any pro choice person sees this and they feel like they just got smacked in the face.. good job JDH!!!!!!:)"
"JDH, with all due respect, I don't know of a single legal clinic that disposes of aborted products in a dumpster. Many state regulations require confirmation of the termination by a third party, meaning that they are sent to a lab or pathologist. Then they are cremated because of human tissue disposal/handling rules. Rational dialogue on abortion is important but can't happen in an environment of name calling and skewed information."
"*chuckles*Funny, yet true"
"I looooooooooooooove this(:"
"Any many many con abortionists are pro death penalty, pro war. It's not killing they are necessarily against. It's choosing WHO to kill, at what stage, and for what reason. In that sense, you are no different than anyone else, no better,no worse. You just draw the sand in the line at a different place."
"Thanks Cassey! I see you've been born too. Thank God our mothers made the right choice. :)"
"If I was a fetus I wouldn't have cared if I was born or not.. just like you wouldn't have either. A fetus doesn't know it even exists so it has no desire to exist."
"Unless you have been in a situation were abortion was necessary then how could you say it was wrong?"
"its killing an innocent child that did nothing wrong to anyone or anything."
"no it is ending a pregnancy.if i handed you what was inside of a pregnant woman at that stage in pregnancy you would not call it a baby."
"it's not a child, it's a fetus. they invented the word for a reason, use it!"
"JDH why did your comment even get posted? A women has the right to her body, even if u dont like abortion, its not ur decision neither your body, abortion should always be available, and Laurel, the way i look upon it is abortions are for when u cant take care of a baby. or your raped, or your incredibly poor, if women dont believe in abortion, dont get one, carry it around, and give it up which most women with that plan end up not giveing it up and that child has a hard life because of it."
"how do you know it is an innocent child. It could get given to an orphanage mistreated, never shown love, and become a serial killer. also if it cannot survive without parasitically draining life from the mother than it is not truly living. Law states that a child is alive only after taking its first breaths."
"SR, my comment was posted because its valid and whether you like it or not...this is America and I'll speak my mind while I still have the right to. Babies are thrown out like trash everyday my dear friend. BABIES!!"
"Sam you should go down to an abortion clinic and dig around in the dumpsters. See what you can find and then come back and talk so big and bad."
"It is disgusting to think that just because the baby is not born yet, people are trying to justify killing it. That child did absolutly NOTHING wrong, and therefore should NOT be treated as just a peice of tissue. They should not be punished for their mother's mistakes."
"My friend's mom was raped as a young girl and found out that she was pregnant with twins at 15. She went to her father who was very loving and supportive. She kept the babies and you know what, I admire and respect her so much. I've rarely seen such a close and loving family. She loves her daughters with all her heart and you can see it and feel it in everything she says and does. A lot of women are not even capable of loving their "wanted" and "planned" children as much as she loves her girls. I bet she doesn't regret her decision."
"how is it punishment? it won't be aware of the fact that it even existed, of course if you're religious you may say smoething to contradict that but in that case maybe you should just keep your preaching out of government affairs"
"At Crizzy Miller! Ok even if your raped theres adoption... THE ONLY way I see Abortion ok is if the females body will kill the baby or if the baby would kill her... And yes I've been raped and done it so I know how the girls would feel"
"Is it a mistake (especially when having gone through preemptive measures against pregnancy) for a woman to be unable to physically, mentally, or financially support the baby to full term and birth? Should a rape victim be expected to deal with the related trauma and physical result of her rape? Should the law interfere with our (women's) rights to our own bodies? Should any of you have the right for that matter to lay blame upon a woman for her choice, to shame her and discredit her sense of what's right or wrong based on YOUR opinions? None of you seem to understand. Regardless of the reasons women choose to get an abortion, it's all on her: so the guilt or regret, that's all her. Not you or anyone else. You don't get to dictate their lives and decisions. And before anyone accuses me of accepting murder (as you call it), that is an ignorant and downright ludicrous statement to heap on someone. People are not trying to "justify killing" babies by any stretch of the word; they are justifying women's rights and the unlawful seizure of those rights."
"its not disgusting. the baby isnt born yet therefor its not a baby. ya the "baby" did nothing wrong because it hasnt done anything right either. what if the mother cant afford it? or isnt healthy enough? or she knows the baby will have a mental retardation? its not killing."
"um ... Chelsey I don't like abortion but what happened if the girl got raped. It's not her mistake it is the guy that raped her."
"To all the people standing up for the woman's right to choose because it is "her" body, she is carrying a human life with it's own set of unique DNA and genetic code separate from both the mother and the father, separate from the mother's body, this means it is another human life, heart beats 18 days after conception, that is a human life's heart beating in there.The actual percentage of abortions due to rape is only 1% furthermore, why are you punishing the baby for the violent act of the father? Let the baby live and go to a home where the couple is just waiting to adopt a newborn and give them a chance at life. The rapist lives, but you want to terminate the life of the baby who did nothing wrong. How can you honestly justify that?Do you also think that Hitler had the "right" to exterminate all those Jews just because he thought they weren't human? You might as well say that because you are advocating that you do not value human life and that the mother has the "right" to choose to terminate another human's life. What if a murderer believes he has the "right" to kill you? Which is it, you either believe it's wrong to take another life or you don't."
"Some people are forced into it by other people against Thier will. Others are financially unable to support a family, some have been raped, others are lost, some don't want children and don't care.It doesn't matter, not all people kill Thier babies and think of them only as pieces of tissue."
"Chelsey would you want to be born into a world where not even your parents don't want, love or care for you? i sure wouldn't that would be awful! Not to mention the whole rape issue. You try going through something like that its not easy. I know."
"whoo hooo im with tht person ^"
"I'm a kid. I wouldn't want to be dead. They say it's okay because the babies are not fully developed yet. But I am not fully developed! Humans are not biologically adults until about 25-30 years of age. So am I, a teen, a human being? What about younger children? What about young adults and 30 year olds? So I guess it's okay to kill us, then! Abortion follows the line and stupid, illogical, unethical, and immoral thinking. Have those people who practice abortion have no value or love of life?"
""But I am not fully developed! Humans are not biologically adults until about 25-30 years of age."Yes, but fetuses are not physically developed like newborn babies, children, and adults (they lack substantial brains ((among other vital organs)) in which to think or feel, and thus have no awareness of what goes on around them); so going ahead and saying that abortion is tantamount to killing a sentient human being is downright moronic. And how dare you say that women who receive abortions don't have values or love, or grief or guilt or regret. It's not an easy decision by any account; there are multiple conflicting variables: money, emotional stability, health. It's not like a woman wakes up one morning and says, "I think I'll kill my baby today." Until you find yourself in a situation wherein you have a hard choice to make, think before you go passing judgement."
"JDH- so your saying that the doctor performing the abortions should be charged with murder since it sees the baby on his screen? the only difference between the unborn and the born is their size, how developed it is, it's surroundings, and how dependent it is."
"umm i believe there is a huge difference in a teens development and a pregnancy development.common knowledge buddy"
"your just a kid I wouldn't expect you to understand."
"We do kill young adults...we send them to war (many against their own will) so that you have the freedoms and rights of an American. And those rights include the individual freedom to choose whether or not to have an abortion."
"Esther do you have a point? My point is that a baby is a baby no matter what. Whether in the womb or out. It SHOULD be murder and obviously you agree since you said the only difference between a baby or unborn baby is their size, development etc. If those are the only differences then duh...it's murder."
"The difference, Sam, is that once a baby is born, it's called murder. You'd have to look the child in the face while you're killing her. Murder is murder. Common knowledge 'buddy.'"
"Choices (A Message to Pregnant Teens)I know that you're scaredand don't want to listen,but let me tell you a storybefore you make your decision.There was once a young girlin the same place as you,she wasn't sure if thisshe'd be able to go through.She was trapped by her own choiceswith no easy way out,she chose the hardest choicebut the best without a doubt.She was really just a girlbut was wise and chose the option,to give her baby a better lifeand give her up for adoption.She knew what truly matteredand decided to be brave,'cause her life would be interruptedbut her baby's would be saved.She had amazing strength and loveI hope I'll get that from her,'cause I guess I didn't tell youthat woman was my mother.So before you make your choiceput yourself in my place,'cause I'm one of those babiesa mother chose to save."
"this poem really moved me. im only 14 in the 8th grade but i know abortion is wrong."
"DONT KILL BABIES THEY DESERVE TO LIVE."