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"Yes, there is contraception, yes, you should use it, and yes, abortion shouldn't be used as a form of birth control. But in the case you get raped or won't be able to care for the child for some reason, you're saving it from a life it wouldn't be happy with once it's born. I'd rather have a unborn, undeveloped childs chance to live taken away if it, in no way, was going to like it's life. Someone in the con comments mentioned that at 5 weeks a fetus has a heartbeat and feels pain, I just wanted to say heartbeat=/=the ability to feel pain. Also, if you are anti-abortion, you'd better be looking for ways to improve the adoption system in America, because that's often what happens to unwanted children and it could definetly be improved. People will get abortions regardless of wether or not it's legal, and so making it legal and having procedures done by professionals is safer. But really, it comes down to this. If you don't want your child to be aborted, don't get an abortion. If you can't support the child, either get an abortion or put it up for adoption. But the adoption system needs to be worked on as well."
"In reply to KatieI misspoke. As how content the child in this case is irrelevant, because who are we to judge, I meant if the child was born into a situation that would be harmful to it. As for legalization, you went on a tangent about legalizing theft or murder because people will do it regardless. While this is a little drastic I see your point and would like to clarify:If abortion is illegal, people are doing it in unsanitary places with unsanitary items. If its legal, it's done in a safe environment and patients can be treated more accordingly, as well as making outside funding for clinics an option."
"I'm always glad when a woman has the support and resources to be a single mother, or has the fortitude and faith to raise a child from a rape. I'm glad that she had the choice.I also know absolutely that I would never carry a child to term as a result of a rape, or risk my own health to have a child in my 50s or if I was fighting a serious disease. I'm glad I have the choice. There are two sides to the choice coin - one a true choice, one a forced decision based on a frequently desperate situation. We need to respect both sides."
"Thank you! I would also like to add in that most pro-lifers are now saying certain types of birth control are indeed abortions because it keeps the embryo from implanting. So now you're trying to take away my ability to prevent an unwanted pregnancy & an abortion? Where does it end? In the extreme rare circumstances that a pregnancy does endanger the life of the mother, abortion is still immoral in the eyes of a pro-lifer. I even had one woman tell me that if a mother can kill her child, she deserves the horrible consequences of a botched abortion to teach her a lesson. How is that pro-life? It's not. It's pro-birth. I think I would take the pro-life side more seriously if it wasn't so rooted in Christianity."
"FYI Less than 1% of abortions yearly are caused by rape."
"Rape is not a valid argument for why abortion should be legal. Rape is 1% of the reasons woman have had abortion"
"I agree that many women are going to get abortions regardless to it being legal or not, so instead of letting them get a "backalley abortion" which can be potentially harmful, we should keep the option of a safe abortion out there for those women. and i agree that the adoption system really needs help.... but wouldn't everyone want to work on making the adoption system better? you sound like the type of person who would consider your options before committing to either adoption or abortion, so why not work on the adoption system as well - that way women will have options - after all the pro-abortion groups are really called pro-choice, right? If thats true, then everyone should be helping make the adoption system better so that every women has a chance to make a choice. you and i both know, that if you give a child the option of a yellow healthy banana or a mushy brown banana, they will choose the yellow healthy banana, because humans are known for wanting the "best". Therefore, if we ALL work together to make the adoption system better than everyone, both pro-life and pro-choice are living up to there names. Especially pro-choice... because your actually giving the women an EQUAL choice."
"I'd like to take a moment and thank those who agreed with me, it boosted my ego a bit. I'd also like to applaud those who disagreed, as I'm all for the discussion of political hot topics. I wrote my response when I was fourteen, using this website as inspiration for an argumentative essay I was assigned in my english class. I'm flattered that I managed to inspire such a discussion on a forum of a topic I ended up not using for my essay and I appreciate everyone who put forth their opinion, wether they disagree or agree. I'd rather not continue the discussion for myself however, as now I view this website as having hatemongering qualities. I encourage everyone to continue teaching themselves about such topics and to vote as well."
"Why do some people who appear to have a great life commit suicide? Why are the happiest people I know the poorest, and the sickest, and they have the most undesirable life that could seem possible? Life is what you make it. Everybody that is born will have pain and misery. Everybody that is born will have joy and happiness. Life is hard for everyone. Everybody deserves do have a chance."
"Yes but but think about that life you will be destroying. Think about the things it will never be able to do. Walk have its first words... And there's such thing as adoption"
"You have multiple arrogant remarks that prove you are not as knowledgeable on the topic as you would like to think. The fetus's spinal column and nervous system are forming at 3 weeks. Nervous system DOES = pain... also who are you to decide whether a baby would be happy or not? True happiness is not found in money or attractiveness or anything of that sort. And even if he baby was to be disabled, and live a miserable life, it would go to heaven for suffering so much on earth. And the lives of the crippled can touch other peoples lives! they can have an extremely positive and life changing impact on those around them. The adoption system is not thriving because there are so many families that want to adopt and not enough children that people are put on a waiting list for years. The holocaust lead to roughly 12 million deaths. Abortion has lead to 56 million deaths and counting."
"There are also situations where the mother would be beaten or killed along with her baby if she carried to term. I cannot help but think of Saudi women. The Saudis kill rape victims so if they get pregnant, they should have an abortion to save their own life."
"The adoption SYSTEM has nothing to do with it. People simply don't want to adopt children. If you want to improve the "system", then go adopt!!!"
"According to you, "I'd rather have an unborn, undeveloped child's chance to live taken away if it, in no way, was going to like it's life." First off, who are we to judge if the child will like it's life?! If the mother has financial troubles or wants to continue her career OR "the adoption system needs to be worked out" so it would be a bad experience for the child, who's to say the child will not be happy in any of these situations?!?! It's absurd to think that we can first judge whether the child (which you did recognize as having a "chance to live") should survive and secondly try to predict the future and say that the child will be unhappy! Also according to you, "People will get abortions regardless of whether or not it's legal," So you're saying one of the reasons this act should be legal is because people would do it anyways? Well I think that logic will get us in a bunch of trouble. So since murder is a crime and people are still murdered, legalize it! Since people are still stealing, legalize it! It doesn't make sense. I just ask that everyone think about the reasons behind abortion and see whether they're even consequential or not."
"Not to damper your very good argument, however research proves that only 2-5% of women get an abortion due to a rape case. The irresponsibility of people should not cause human lives, it's murder. Good day :)"
"How is it that you have the ability to predict whether it would be happy or not? If a person is considered officially dead when the heart stops beating, then why do you not consider it to officially be alive when it begins beating at just 18 days after conception?The actual percentage of couples yearning to adopt a newborn is way greater than you think. Newborns are the ones couples opt for 1st.The percentage of women who get abortions due to rape is actually only 1%. And furthermore, why is it the unborn that must pay the price by having it's life terminated because of the violent act of the father?Do you think Hitler was justified and had the right to kill all those Jews just because he chose to believe that they were not human? You must believe that we all have the right and the choice to make whether we take another humans life or not. There is no difference whether it is still in the womb or already out of the womb, it is a life, it has a heartbeat just as you do. Why do murderers not have the "right" to "choose" to take someones life because they believe you are a burden to them?"
"Katie, it is an unborn child. yes it feels pain. But who are you to say or know that it won't be unhappy. You're contradicting yourself and it is funny."
"Being a raped victim, teen and having my child i disagree with you because not once did i think of killing my child. !"
"So you are saying it's okay to kill if you believe that person won't have a happy life? My daughter was a product of rape and I thank God every day that her birth mom had the courage to carry her and give her life. Someday...she may be our President!"
"adoption agencies were created for a reason you know! Thats what they were for when abortion wasn't around so why should families who can't have kids suffer because someone thinks they have to keep the child. Just because you can't do it on your own doesn't mean someone else can't have a dream that they have been wishing for but are physically incapable of doing,"
"Well if the mother isn't able to care for the infant , she could easily put it up for adoption , or put the baby in a foster home."
"But adoption IS always an option though. If a mother cannot raise a child, then isn't it better to put it up for adoption than to kill it? And I was listening to NPR and they said something about how if it is a true rape, then a woman's body does have "defenses" And as for the baby having a heartbeat no feeling pain, well on the website it mentioned that scientist who have been studying abortion believe that the baby will feel extraordinary pain.And actually, we have thousands of people all over the world wanting to adopt, but because abortion is legal, there is a shortage."
"no matter if it 3was rape or not its not jstifiable it still leaves a mark on the woman/girl it is horriblr to kill a baby and if u really dont want it put it up for adoption!!!"
"ITS CALLED ADOPTION THE LOVING OPTION"
"I would just like to say that your clarifying points did not clarify anything. If the child is born into a situation that would be harmful to it, how is abortion any different? If anything it is worse than the potential situation. The same argument could also be made. If murder was legal, then murders would no longer have to scheme and kill people in dark alleys, then could go down the street and murder "in a safe environment [where] patients can be treated more accordingly." Please explain."
"I am affirmative with your opinion, and abortion should be legal for a person who is raped and has reasons not to be able to care for them as you said. However, if people consider of abortion as one of the birth control ways same as contraception and so on, it should not be legal. Abortion should be only the way for people you mentioned."
"I love this site! What a great resource... I thought of an interesting contradiction that I have seen in the public debate. Often, I find that the same groups who oppose a woman's right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy also oppose effective sex education in schools, access to health care for poor women and children, 'entitlements' such as WIC, food stamps, Medicaid, and welfare, and Social Security. These groups also seem to support the death penalty more often than not. In other words, they want all precious babies to be born, however once they are here, they don't want to spend tax payer money on feeding, educating, or providing essential services for the child or her family. 'Right to Life' groups should change their slogan to 'Right to a Life of Suffering'."
"As far as stepping up sex education, I agree with that. Also, keep it out of the birth canal, and promote safe sex, instead of the stupid wait until you are married bullcrap. Just promote safe sex practices.I like the way you think, Samantha, I truly respect it, especially since at least you can be honest, unlike some of the people who say they are pro, but really aren't, and want to push their point of view. Hell, I know if I could perform abortions, I would love the job, but I agree, it should be a choice, and a person should be comfortable with choices, not forced to stay in a situation. I say as I said in an audio interview, more abortions, more abortions MORE F***ING ABORTIONS. We need them, especially since people like the anits are the biggest reason for things such as this, as well as the economy, pastors, pedos, and Michael Jackson types. Think about that before you decide to have kids"
"@JDH.You're a tad bit disrespectful for a 31-year-old mother. Not everyone is over 18 on this site. I'll also add in there, not everyone is religious. Try to keep to the topic."
"I myself am against the death penalty and for sex education. The problem though is that certain pro-choicers try to argue for abortion by tying all pro-lifers into one "nut-job stereotype." Just because some pro-lifers are also for some other political ideas does not mean we all are. This should be a debate on whether or not abortion is murder not a straw man show in which one tears their opponent's argument apart just by mentioning radicals in their group."
"You are absolutely right, its funny how much they'd love to see overpopulation dwindle resources. Along with their own bloody resources. They tend to forget that when a mother has a baby they cant afford, they depend on the government. The government gets their funds from hardworking middle class mothers like you JDH. The people that are "milking the system" as you so eloquently said. Are the same people who can' take care of their children. So why you sit there and cry about your hard earned tax paying money going towards the slaughtering of babies (lul) then be prepared to shell out your hard earned tax paying money, for the necessities this baby is going to need for a "ok lukewarm" borderline poverty stricken life. (until its an adult might i add)"
"haha... sweetheart - even i'm pro-choice - and i think you need to learn your facts before you comment. no need to clog up the comments with your "facts". oh and dont reply with an ugly name or comment, 'cause that will make the pro-choice organization look bad and you wouldn't want that now would you? After all, you are pro-choice."
"Sadly all too true."
"Ok, so if you think that the baby is going to have a bad life, you should just put it up for adoption. You can't know if it's going to have a bad life until after it's lived it."
"COD3 you follow me around and reply to almost all my posts so I find it hard to believe that you're afraid to post. You just couldn't resist throwing in a dig at me...but that's okay. It means I've left a mark and I'm more than okay with that. ;-)Oh and I am surprised that you are worried about what I will say when the topic is murder...I mean murdering babies. How can you be worried about my posts which defend a babies right to live? Is it easier for you to stomach when you don't have to think about how it's actually done? Why color it up? Aren't we all trying to speak the truth on here. If a woman of any age is thinking about abortion, she should know ALL the facts...even the ones that might be too graphic."
"I just had a great idea!!! Maybe schools should have abortion prevention classes as well. Yeah, they could show the slides of all the STDs and show how to properly apply a condom and then right after that, they can show videos of babies being killed by having scissors stabbed into their spinal cords! Of course they might also want to show the kiddos what a 'candy apple baby' looks like as well. I mean hey, if we're going to educate our children we should at least make sure they're getting all the information."
"Samantha, I am a very conservative 31 year old woman. I am also a mother. I pay my taxes and don't utilize any Government programs or handouts. It makes me sick to think that my hard earned money - MY taxes could go towards the slaughtering of babies. I don't believe in the death penalty either as I think it isn't mans right to kill another for committing crimes - no matter how heinous those crimes might be. I am more than willing to pay taxes to keep criminals off the streets. I think sex ed is a necessity AND think everyone should receive healthcare even though I pay nearly $200.00 a month just for my son to be covered. What I can't stand, and what a lot of other hardworking tax paying Americans can't stand are people who milk the system. I could elaborate on this but I have to go back to work so that I can pay taxes and buy candy bars and soda for unscrupulous welfare recipients."
"u are def. wrong about that. I dont agree with anything u just stated and im anti abortion. sorry, try again."
"If men could get pregnant, abortion clinics would be like Starbucks - two on every block and four in every airport. And the morning-after pill would come in different flavors, like sea salt and cool ranch."
"Luckily for men they can just force the abortion industry on women so that they don't have to bear the responsibilities of caring for the mother and child. I can't imagine the lengths that men would pursue to escape responsibility if they actually bore children."
"I love this comment lol."
"Abortions should be legal. I mean who are we to tell someone they have to have a baby, maybe they can't provide for the baby, yes there's adopting but that just makes moms sad. Let women choose what's right. After all she is the one carrying the baby. Not you"
"Layna, a pro-life stance is that the baby is already "had" after conception. The moment to choose to have a baby or not is at conception, not during the pregnancy. No one should force another to "have" a baby, I'd agree.Whether or not the baby is born has no impact on whether or not the baby is alive or whether it is a fellow human being. Again, for a pro-lifer, this is already settled at conception.Your statement that "who are we to tell someone they have to have a baby" is perfectly acceptable to a pro-life person. Because we believe that the newly conceived baby is a human being with rights of their own at the point of conception, in our eyes, the baby is already in existence. The only way to "make someone have a baby" is to force them to get pregnant. I dont think anyone is for that, do you?Making someone give birth to a baby is not the same as making someone "have" a baby."
"People deserve the option, even if they don't use it"
"I think that it is a women's choice whether or not she can have an abortion. No one should have to take that away. America is supposed to be the land of the free, meaning that we should be able to chose. It's a Women's choice. If she knows that she can't support it then its best to just abort rather then having a baby in an unstable environment. Within the first tree-mester the baby isn't fully developed if anything its just a centimeter big so is it really a human being? In the end it is a women's choice and no one should have to take that away."
"I grew up in an "unstable" environment. Now, Im married with 2 health and happy children.Justifying abortion out of convenience is a really barbaric and shallow means of justification.Would you agree that at some point abortion should be banned? 3rd trimester? Sometime during the 2nd? At what point would you agree to "take the choice away from the woman?"...as you put it."
"I hold a moderate view on abortion. I support abortion if their is a risk of trauma to the mother and the baby is too young to survive, or the baby will die anyway."
"A man shouldn't have a say unless he is willing to assume the responsibilities of the child and the mother. Religion is a great thing that provides with moral guidance, but it can also be used as an excuse to hide behind. Religious men, please don't scream and shout about life. You are not the ones who will be carrying something within your body for nine months and suffering through all the discomfort, plus the extreme pain at the end. And that's only the beginning. Abortion is not an easy choice to make - for anyone. It weighs on the conscious. You think the mother is not aware of the life she ends? It's her own flesh and blood, she will know more than any of us here. A woman needs to consider if she is financially, physically and emotionally/mentally ready for a child. She also needs to consider the needs and conditions of the child. Imagine being a mother and not loving your child. Imagine being a child and knowing you are viewed as a punishment or worse yet, as a painful reminder of rape. This is not always a selfish act. Perhaps the child will thrive, but what about all the sufferings mother and child need to go through? Abortions also cause physical harms, and adoptions can be even more painful. There is just no easy way."
"Artemis, you appear to understand and believe that the unborn is a living human being; do I have that right?Your argument that there should be an option to terminate the child because of anticipated hardship is flawed. If you believe it is not flawed, then why not extend this option to parents of born children? I highly doubt that you would condone this, but you do condone this for an unborn child.So, If the unborn child is alive and is a human being the same as you and I (you do agree they are living humans; nothing less - correct?), why do you feel its acceptable to terminate it, but it's not okay to terminate a born child?Can you explain this difference? or explain if you do feel it's okay to terminate born children as well?"
"Abortion should be legal because if the women who got pregnant is forced to have the child, then the child would be unable to develop its needs as a human, proven through Maslow's hierarchy of needs. This psychological theory states if you do not have security of family, poverty, or mind then you cannot develop traits such as love and belonging or esteem for oneself. Without these traits, the child will lead a miserable and possibly psychopathic life. With an abortion carried out by a registered doctor, the women retains no sickness or infection. Also, according to the Guttmacher Institute, 9/10 of all abortions are done during the first trimester of pregnancy. This is before the fetus develops any vital organs. All of the Con arguments have seemed to omit this fact. They seem not to understand even the basics of pregnancy, and because of this fact cannot be trusted to put forth an argument on either side. This overwhelming evidence proves that abortion should be legal. Because women have the right to choose, children raised in an unstable environment don't completely develope, and 90% of all abortions are operated before the fetus develops organs, women should have the right to choose whether or not to have an abortion."
"I dont see that Maslow has included the conclusion you've arrived at with regard to the hierarchy of needs being a justification for abortion. Is that your own idea?What if a born child were to be placed in a scenario that did not meet these requirements in a manner that you would justify termination of an unborn. Would you condone terminating a born infant if that were the case? I would assume not, but please confirm.Can you also confirm your stance on when we become a living human being? You mention vital organs, but you do not say when you feel we become a human being and so, I assume, you would then also be against terminating an unborn child.At what point would be for dictating what the mother can do with the baby... at birth? 1 month before birth? 1 min before birth?I do sincerely want to know."
"Last I checked none of you "CON" people are GOD! You have no right to judge. A womans body is her own..HER own! What she chooses to do with it is HER decision...not yours and certainly not the Governments. You don't know peoples situations, you don't know what's going on in peoples lives. It's so easy to sit back and look down on people whose shoes you have and never will walk in. It's a womans right to choose what is right for her...PERIOD!!"
"Just curious as I read your post about this concept of "her body". Obviously, a pro-life person believes that the unborn child is a living human being with their OWN body, but we disagree there.For now, I'm just curious if you can define more concretely why the baby should be considered "her body". Is it only because it is inside of her? Because it is connected with a cord?What if someone were to swallow a possession of someone else.. say a ring. You would not consider the ring to now be a possession of the one who swallowed it would you?Just curious to knwo more about why you feel that the baby is a part of the mothers's body and not it's own body."
"I do not think that people understand that over population is something that is the cause of many problems across the world. World hunger, pollution, extinction of multiple animal species, etc. Maybe less children is a good thing and that rape shouldn't be the only excuse to get an abortion? And if you do not like abortion.... then don't get one!!!! That simple"
"when can come together, both pro and con on this issue, and nourish, love, and raise the children that have been *actually* been born in this world? 21,000 children die every day around the world and nobody is raising concern here for these suffering children? they could be saved...but left to die. let us love and care for humans that are living among us now instead of judging and pointing fingers. http://www.globalissues.org/article/715/today-21000-children-died-around-the-worldhttp://www.unicef.org/media/media_68359.html"
"Totally agree! Great point"
"abortion should be legel because if a women get raped, everyday they dont want to look at that child and remember what happened so many years ago. say it was incest do you want to really want to be reminded of a father, brother or any other male family member that did that to you, i dont think so. Think about it maybe you will finally understand."
"If saving "life" is the overriding concern, driving woman to back alley abortionists will result not only in the loss of the fetus, but potentially the mother as well and with her, any future children she might have born. More lives are at risk, not fewer. If we are to be pro-life, then we should first become anti-war, anti-death penalty advocates, focusing on the already living, who have long established histories, connections, relationships, families as opposed to the yet to be born. Or has their right to life been forfeited, and if so, who has made that determination for them?"
"@JDH - there are several pieces of legislation pending (AZ and others) to restrict birth control. Through this legislation, woman who use birth control, unless for a medical condition, can be fired. And in the case of an I.U.D., conception is not prevented."
"Ah, KWM, don't waste your time with people like the antis. They're an ANTI, which means LOVE the people going into the back alleys, and seeing future pictures of people on Interpol, as well as the FBI's 10 most wanted, don't you antis? Maybe you are the ones who need to be in an orange suit, for bringing in future Bugsy Siegels, or the shooter from Newton, or Aurora, right? Why don't you admit it. Besides, I bet they would agree with Richard Mourdock, or Todd Aikin's statement.As far as having future babies being born? Maybe that might be good that they don't have it. The world has too many people, the economy is down, and unemployment is at an all time high. Would having a child coming into that be beneficial for them? I think not, and what if the child is a burden, due to a disability? Can you imagine the scar and stigma the kid will have? I sure wouldn't want that.As far as who made that determination what your last statement? Hopefully not the antis, because if they did, I dread to see what the future will hold. We got a preview of it in 2012, I shudder to think what would happen in 2013."
"It's called birth control and any woman can get a prescription and in a lot of cases she can even get it for free."
"ABORTIONS SHOULD BE FREE AT WALMART!"
"Yeah, but the problem is that with Wal-Mart, too many people wish they were dead in there, so they would lose employees. Wal-Mart sucks anyways. As far as abortions, I say, leave it to the people. Forget the anits point of view, especially since they are the reason we should have them more than the other arguments."
"LMFAO!!!! I LOVED YOUR COMMENT! and yes they def should be haha :D"
"I believe it so Moni that is totally true. i agree with you 100%."
"aborting a baby shouldn't be legal if the woman didn't want her child she shouldn't of have had sex in the first place or she should of used protection and not be stupid."
"Sure, abortion is murder, but what gives you the right to tell someone they can't do it? People will always try to abort their babies even if there isnt a certified doctor there. People will find other ways to do it. Would you rather have people put their lives in danger trying to get rid of their baby or have someone there who knows what they're doing?Would you rather have a uncertified neurosurgeon give you a surgery that could change the well-being of your life, or a person who KNOWS what they're doing? Would you rather have an amateur perform heart surgery on you or an educated doctor?Think about it"
"Well, American citizens have the right to free speech, so we all can "tell" someone they can't do it.The USA Government doesn't have rights, but it has powers, and one such is to keep the peace. Murder has always been viewed as disturbing the peace, and so the government has the power to prevent you from murdering, or punish you for doing it.You can't say that abortion is murder and then say that abortion should stay legal, because murder is already illegal, and if it weren't, I would suggest leaving the country."Would you rather have people put their lives in danger trying to get rid of their baby or have someone there who knows what they're doing?"Based on your starting concession:Would you rather have someone endanger their lives to commit murder, or hire a trained assassin?"
"We live in a country founded on the principles of freedom. While opinions may differ on the morality of abortion, I truly believe that all woman should have the right to CHOOSE for themselves. While it is easy to sit back and declare abortion to be "wrong", we as individuals cannot truly understand a person's viewpoint unless we have lived their life. We cannot understand their morales, thought proccess, or feelings. Sometimes, no matter how hard it is to relize, we need to understand that life may be better for both the mother and child if the child is never born. In the end, isnt it better to simply not be born than to be born into a life of poverty and suffering? As for the people who do not support abortion, fine. Do not undergo an abortion. But isnt it better for your fellow American, your fellow woman, to have the choice for a safe procedure? Do you truly wish to force these women into unsafe back-alley operating rooms? If we force them into that situation, they are much more likely to die, and then both mother AND child are dead. Can we as a society truly make these crucial life decisions for someone else? I honestly don't think we can. Everyone should at least have the choice of a safe and sanitary operation."
"I also do not believe in woman choosing to kill their child after it is born either.They should not have the freedom to kill their own children weather unborn or born. Both are very wrong. If you do not want a child that is what birth control is for.Use 2 or 3 different kinds if need be to make sure you do not have the child. I cannot believe that a woman can take a child's life instead of using birth control."
"I say yes for abortion but it should only be use in extreme cases like rapes or real accidents (protection broke). It should never be use as a form of birth control. A woman who ask for a second abortion should be put in a the hands of someone who can help her realize that abortion have to be taken as a serious case...Camasino Team"
"It's your in YOUR body, you don't have a say in what happens, the mother does. Even though I know that I personally could never do this, it is someone's choice too if they think it necessary."
"I am a pro-choice individual, however I do stand on one leg in favor of the pro-life movement.I do believe that killing a baby is wrong, and that you cannot know its true potential when you kill it before it even sees outside of its womb.However, whatever a woman does to her body is her choice. If a woman knows that she could not sustain a child or even raise it well why have it? It would be a better choice to kill the baby while it still hasn't seen suffering than to introduce the baby to it in the 1st place. It is completely a woman's choice to decide who's life she brings into this world and who's not to.Abortion should be an option open to everyone, if you do not want to hev an abortion just refuse to have one in the 1st place. Don't rob people of their rights because of your opinion...Abortion is indeed murder, but it is not something to be denied to someone if they do desire it."
"Even if you are against abortion, you have to keep in mind,A WOMEN HAS THE RIGHT TO HER BODY! no matter if you think its murder or inhumane, do you seriously know how many women are raped? its astounding, so if abortions were illegal that raped women would look at that baby and see hate and that terrible incident, so you can be against it all you want, keep it to yourself, fetuses that are terminated, are terminated for a reason, But there is NO EXCUSE to get multiple abortion, keep your legs closed, our economy is so bad that most people cant affor to take care of them, so its better sometimes to not have a child then not bein able to feed or cloth them, and if ur saying adoption, orphanages would be overflowing and would send our economy in a faster downward spiral, the option of abortion should be available to all women. no matter how YOU feel."
"so does the babys to theirs"
"Of course they should be legalized. I mean, if the antis, or the cons only realized that their anti view only would make people more pro, I bet they would die of shock, which would be good on our part. I mean, the selfish people who keep the kids are only thinking of themselves, especially with lack of jobs, school bullying, and future criminals, such as the cons would reproduce, it would be alarming. As far s abortions go, would you people want your taxes raised, because of the extra burdens that come with raising a child, such as overcrowded prisons, new gang members, and future child molestors? If you do, you are being very selfish. Abortions are much better, since they prevent more people like the cons from coming into the world, less criminals, and future prisoners coming into the world, and better finances, and people can still go on with their lives. Besides, it would be a better place, since this way, there will be enough resources for all, and not a heavy burden on the world's economy. Sure there will be alot more suicides, but think of all the people you hate not being here anymore. Would be a pleasent place, right? No more burdens. That is all"
"Number, one, I don't have a child, okay. So, on the part of not having guts to raise it, that is laughable.Number 2, being deprived of a child saved you alot, especially with this economy the way that it is, and not to mention the burden on tax payers when they would've wound up being disabled, or spending the rest of their miserable lives on prison, or awaiting the letha injection.You're destroyed? Well, I don't have anything for you, as far as that one goes, and it wouldn't matter one way or the other, especially since I don't even know if what you are saying is true or not, nor would it bother me.Finally, if you spoke to the people who had kids, and saw how miserable they were, you wouldn't make a statement like that, so I say onto yee more abortions, more abortions, MORE ABORTIONS! End of story."
"children arent burdens!! if you never wanted a child in the first place, then why "do it"? you are being selfish by not having the guts to raise YOUR child. being deprived of having a child destroyed me... i would do anything to have seen my little boys face for the first time.."
"A Women has a right to have an Abortion! Because a baby should not come into this world unwanted! People say to put them up for adoption, No, because the odds are against them to be adopted and so many children are already up for adoption. It is not killing a human, if it was never born the women is still pregnant. Women will go to back alley abortions because they are desperate because they dont want to have this baby that they most likely can't provide for."
"Abortion illegal? well then make it illeagal to masturbate too. A fetus doesn't have any life experince etc I think it's disgusting how you think a human's fetus is more worth than animals."
"Human sex cells aren't on their way to becoming humans until they meet their conjugate pair."
"This is a very personal decision that is between two people (usually) and their maker. The state has no constitutional basis to intervene into this decision. To do so is an invasion of personal privacy, compromises personal liberties and is a gateway to further government intervention in our personal lives."
"the choice should always be available and then educate people to make the right choice for themselves based on their circumstances."
"Every woman has a right to make decisions about her body without government interference. The procedure should be treated as all medical procedures and handled safely. Criminalizing abortion will not result in fewer pregnancies; it will however, result in more infections, illnesses and deaths of women. If someone is against abortion, for whatever reasons, they shouldn't have one; neither should they deny other women their rights to "eminent domain" over their bodies."
"I strongly believe in abortion rights and giving women the right to make their own decision about this most private of all decisions. Its not the government's business to dictate to women, what they think is acceptable or not. Religion should play no part in this debate-period! Barry Goldwater had it right when he said that keep the government out of the bedroom! He was stauchly pro-choice and staunchly conservative at the same time! Today's Republicans are always preaching against "big government" but they have no problem in telling women they can't have an abortion despite the fact is the law of the land! I also am of the opinion, that abortion acts as a deterrent to the threat of overpopulation, which is a serious problem the world faces.What kind of country do we want to be in the coming decades: like China with over 1.5 billion people, with serious health issues in the megacities, like smog and contaminated water, etc... and the inability of the govern-ment and the economy to provide jobs to millions of workers streaming every year to the cities. I applaud the Chinese government of instituting the one-child policy. Abortion should be encouraged especially in the 3rd world countries. Future of mankind depends on that!"
"I read alot of your posts, Paul E. Dorsey, and I have to say that you have great wisdom on the subject of abortion. People, you can learn a thing or two from this person, as well as my own statements, especially on the burdens babies are to a mom and the economy, especially when it may have disabilities, or be unable to do certain things. As far as abortion clinics go, I would love to be in one, especially when it happens after, I know there will be one less hater of anyone inhabiting this earth. It would be a wonderful thing for them to happen, less problems, less diabled people the government has to take care of, etc. Your taxes will go way down, due to lack of people who are a burden on the government and taxpayers, and you'll realize you did what was right, even though you may feel guilty, you will realize you did what is right. Adoption? You never know who will get the kid, and worse off, you might send it to pedophiles, or conservative christians, or abusive people who are more selfish than you were for not having an abortion to begin with, if you had realized the problems, you would NEVER consider bringing a kid into this world."
"I think that Abortion should be the woman's decision. It is there choice, not anyone else's. There are many reason to abort a pregnancy, and that should be up to the woman. If someone chooses to not have an abortion, that's their decision not anyone else. This is also not their body so who's to say what women can do with their body other then themselves. People say that it is hurting the baby but fetuses are incapable of feeling pain when an abortion is formed. So it's not felling someone when it hasn't even developed a brain yet."
"There seems to be a big misconception about if abortions should be legal. It is there for those who want it, be it the case of rape/incest, or whatever have you. After reading some of the con arguments, I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt, they are the biggest argument for pro abortions. I mean, jails are overcrowded, and the economy is down, having kids WON'T help people improve it, it will only burdenize it even more, especially since we don't have enough resources to accomadate more children. This is why we need them. Either that, or have women get their tubes tied, and men for vasectomies. Where's doctor George Tiller when you need him, right? Glad the killer got what he deserved. As far as stem cell research, since one person mentioned it, sure, let's give them up for that, right? The legalization of abortions are there for those who want it, and also, if a mother is on drugs, or HIV, would you want a crack baby, or HIV positive baby in this world? I sure wouldn't, so why keep them if a mother is on drugs or HIV positive, right? Something for the antis to think about."
"A common misconception for the antis is that they think if abortions are legal, everyone will be forced into it, and that is just not true. They will be provided for the ones who want it, and judging from the antis on here, they are the biggest argument for the reason that abortions should happen, because after reading their reasons and their beliefs, I say more abortions, MORE ABORTIONS, MORE F***ING ABORTIONS! The antis never think about the financial burdens that come with raising a kid, and the economy the way it is. Hey, and if there were more abortions, there could be uses, such as stem cell research, and that can help with stopping diseases, so to the antis, keep up your arguments, since you are proving that we need abortions now more than ever. Thumbs down and personal attacks ony illustrate my point. To the pros, we need to try to put planned parenthood around the USA. That is all on my part"
"Victor Greywolf:"A common misconception for the antis is that they think if abortions are legal, everyone will be forced into it"Paul E. Dorsey:"I applaud the Chinese government of instituting the one-child policy."Victor Greywolf:"I read alot of your posts, Paul E. Dorsey, and I have to say that you have great wisdom on the subject of abortion."You say people aren't forced to abort, and you say you agree with a supporter of policies that, in effect, do force people to abort.Thumbs down do not illustrate your point, they show a lack of agreement between you and others."
"You are my hero."
"Even though I know that I will never have an abortion in my life time I think that people should have the right to choose what they want to do with their body. Anyways, fetuses cannot feel any pain."
"My point is..you cannot say anything bad about abortion unless you were faced head to head with it. Rape, possibility of retardation and stuck in a wheelchair for life. Would you prefer a child stays in a wheelchair for life and die before suffer for years. How can you comment about abortion if you haven't been in the position. No one knows what some people go through before having an abortion. You don't know what their situation is. When you are in their shoes....come back to me and reply."
"Man, all the people on the con side of this arguement, I have to say, that if I were in stand up, their arguement would be great material. Seriously, you people out there who are antis have the weakest arguments and are argueably the strongest argument for the reason for abortion. Look at the facts, there are more single parents out there, because it isn't legal, and people who have it are forced, because of outdated morals and preaching of stupidity. If you people really understood it, you would understand that it is a personal choiuce. So what if it kills a baby, a baby is a burden. I don't care about that, especially since it isn't mine. There is a misconception that if it is legal then everyone is forced to do it, and that is just wrong. It is a service for those who want it, and besides, your babies aren't fans of mine, so why would I care, right? Feel how you wish, thumbs down and attacks only illustrate my point. That is all."
"I thank you for your input, as well as saying on another post I had good points. As far as abortions go, there are the financial benefits, such as not burdenizing the economy with a disabled child. or someone who has nothing to look forward to, and becoming someone who has to spend their life in an orange jumpsuit. There is a misconception that people will be forced into it, according to the antis, which isn't so. Legalizing it will only let people have the choice. The pro-life people are selfish in the sense that they will be having more of a financial burden, not to mention the overall economoic burden on the government when you have to place that kid in a home for disabled people, which will cost the tax payers money.So, overall, the abortion would be better in preventing that from happening, and also, would be less of a burden on the world, and lack of resources. End of story"
"Number one, thanks for the compliment about me being "heartless" as you put it. You made my day. Thank you. Number 2, it is selfish, especially in the sense that if a baby is born in this economy, what does it have to look forward to? Lack of work, crime, and a chance at being the next Josef Stalin? I would say abortions prevent that, and I am glad that I am considered heartless. Taxes would be decreased, because of less emotional and financial burdens, such as if the child becomes disabled, or a wanted criminal, and no, I don't believe I should care, but I thank you for being diplomatic about your disagreement. I agree the option should be there for people.As far as the scapegoat, it is the person's choice. As far as myself goes, If I were the victim of something and got pregnant, I wouldn't want someone to force me to keep something that has a tie to a person who did that to me. I salute abortion, as well as should alot of people. I am glad you see some of my points, glad to hear it, but I stand by what I say.As far as her choosing life, I feel sorry for this "person", and I really don't know what to tell her. She is making a big mistake in her decisionThank you for your comment."
""Feel how you wish, thumbs down and attacks only illustrate my point. That is all."That is a sign of a weak argument, and it is poorly based."
"OK, Victor, I see some of the points you are stating, but I strongly disagree with the rest of them. For starters, the "outdated morals and preaching of stupidity" that you mentioned above are the primary foundations of our country. If one has no regard for another person's life, we would be living in full anarchy and chaos. There would be no trust in each other. I am pro-life, but I don't believe that because it is legal, people are "forced to do it", but since the option is there, it is a scapegoat for those women and couples that don't want to deal with it. I understand that there may be instances in which one might have the right to choose, either health complications, or emotional stress. But I believe you should care, because all the thumbs down and this comment just illustrate to you that there aren't as many heartless people like you. I know someone who is going through the difficult ordeal of choosing, and although she doesn't like children, she is choosing life. A life, like yours that can make a difference."
"I am pro-choice, but I'm almost uncomfortable posting my comment--with attacks coming from people like JDH, a 31-year-old working woman that pays taxes and has a child, posting snide comments in reply to younger people. I am pro-choice simply because I don't believe that the government should have control over this. It's ridiculous. Women should have control over what happens to their body. If you're pro-"life", don't get an abortion. All of you pro-life people aren't thinking of the child AFTER its birth. If the mother didn't want it, but she was FORCED to have it, would you be willing to take care of it? Taking away free will is completely out of the question. Do I believe that abortion is not a good form of birth-control, and it's misused by a lot of 16-year-old girls? Of course. Abortion shouldn't be a back-up plan."
"@Victor.Waitwaitwait.I understand it now, ignore the first reply."
"@Victor, you have replied to many of my comments. <3 I must say my good man, whenever I read one of your comments, I have to read it a couple of times to fully understand it. Props to you. Whether or not JDH was a bot is irrelevant. I noticed "her" verbally attacking people and used it to make my opinion matter. Maybe it's because my intelligence is failing me, or your poor wording--but 87% of your comment confused me.Perhaps you could try dumbing it down?Much thanks."
"@JDH.Your post amuses me, ma'am. 1. I obviously said enough, considering you responded to me. 2. What on Earth made you think I'm male? I happen to be female. I have a feeling that me, being pro-choice instead of pro-baby, gave you the idea that I have a d**k.3. Who said anything about forcing people to get an abortion? I just think they shouldn't be forced NOT to. 4. Religion isn't a valid argument, period. 5. I guess you'll just have to watch people continue to get abortions. 6. C0D3**"
"I suspect, C0D3, That JDH was a bot, or someone who claimed to have a "son", but really didn't. Just remember, this is online.True, the pro-life are very selfish and horrid people in the sense that they want to force their point of view on people, which is wrong, but they hate it when people disagree with them. Kind of like the free speech community.Besides abortions can get rid of alot of future criminals, and people who may be born disabled, and be a heavy burden on the economy. And to respond to one person saying if the one who got an abortion as well as the father commit suicide, well, they didn't buy any of my products, or do a tribute site to me, so good riddance to them. You can't buy this kind of honesty, and if you antis did that, I'd be cheering, Now, if a mother doesn't want the kids, that is their right. I say, as I said before MORE ABORTIONS, MORE ABORTIONS, MORE F**KING ABORTIONS! The more the merrier, especially if there are more antis on here, since it will get rid of you anits as well. End of story."
"I am pro life, and yes, I would take a child if a mother didn't want it. I would raise and love it with all my heart. I have 2 grown children almost 7 grandchildren, and I was a foster parent to over 40 kids. And they are all grown, have children of their own, and I still have good relationships with them. There is a way to save lives. Human beings are valuable, and the most defenseless of all are the unborn. I would take every last one of them if I could. Life, life, life! Children are worth it! I say go back to the coat hangers, put your own life on the line, you may have done something worthy of death. They haven't."
"Prochoice is prolife in my opinion. Our bodies, our rights, our choices."
"Prochoice is prolife IMHO."
"if you are saying the mother is not willing to take care of the baby than why doesnt she give it up for adoption?"
"Yes. I. Am. A. Bot. Really guys?? You've convinced yourself that not only do I not have a child but that I'm a bot?? Wow!! COD3 you have never used one of my posts to make your opinion matter because you never actually say anything. Is that snide enough for you? You want young kids to have abortion BEFORE they are educated on what they are really doing and I don't think that's fair. I believe that abortion is murder for reasons neither of you could ever understand or respect because according to you, religion isn't a valid argument. What I will say is that I thank God neither of you is a doctor who can perform abortions AND since you both have penises, neither of you can ever ABORT a baby either. So us antis don't have to worry about you two becoming murderers. On the other hand, Victor, you get to sit and poop your pants over the fact that WE will continue to give birth."
"If every woman who is conceived must have their baby, then the population of the world will increase. Already, there are 7 billion people in the world. The population is increasing at an alarming rate. Soon, if the population continues to grow, our resources will diminish. Allowing abortion allows a type of population control."
"Why not own a dog, or a cat or a bird? You can love them. Why would we want to deprive ourselves of financial burdens, especially if the baby is disabled, or becomes the target of bullying, or a criminal. Abortion is a blessing on that part, and I have to say, for the antis, Hey, you people are the reason for it, and I I hope there are more abortions, especially since I know I won't be meeting you people, and I couldn't be happier. We need more people like Dr. George Tiller around, and I hope more abortions come, and I will be smiling at the thought of it."
"JDH,Remember what hormones are?"
"That it is, plus, if you don't like somebody, it will be a way to get rid of them, or to decrease the odds of them producing, such as the antis on here. As I have stated, they are the biggest reason for abortion, so if the anits had their way, taxes will go up, and people would be having even more financial problems, and on top of that, more population that will adopt their way of thinking, and future criminals and possible pedos running around. It's because of these types that abortions are needed.Personally speaking, I LOVE, and heart the topic of abortion, especially since I know it will be something wonderful, particularly to non fans of mine, since it means more room for fans of mine. Allowing abortions would be a wonderful thing, and I would vote for anyone who would allow people to make the choice. MORE ABORTIONS, MORE ABORTIONS, MORE F**KING ABORTIONS! To the antis, I am sure you had abortions, as a few had admitted, and I salute them for it, and if I or someone like me were a doctor, we would perform them, and enjoy it."
"NOT getting pregnant would be a better form of population control. NOT having sex would also work but why would people want to deprive themselves of anything they love to "save the planet?" Abortion is a selfish act. I like how you pros act like you're doing someone a favor...(gag)"
"An unwanted pregnancy is a kidnapping of a woman by a fetus (an "unborn person"). Just as anyone kidnapped has a right to escape by any means, including murder of the kidnapper, so a woman kidnapped by an "unborn person" has a right to escape through an abortion. Even the Old Testament argues that people don't exist until birth (Job 10:18-19: Why then have you brought me out of the womb? Oh, that I had perished and no eye had seen me! I would have been as though I had not been." Note Job did NOT say, "Why then have you brought me INTO the womb?" Abraham's god clearly teaches that existence begins with birth, NOT conception (which, by the way, was not discovered until after the microscope was invented."
"I can not believe you are using the term "kidnapped". You and the person you had sex with created the baby. You could however use something man created called "birth control" to help alleviate some of the kidnappings. I am glad though that you used the term "murder", because that is exactly what it is."
"How can something that you helped to create be kidnapping you? It can't hold you down or control you, and about 99% of the time, it's your fault the baby is even there"
"Job 10: 18-19 never says anything about becoming a human being at birth. I actually wrote these verses down as a Pro Life argument!"
"This is a pretty good topic of discussion. As far as that goes, there would be alot of beniefits to abortions, such as financial burdens, overpopulation, and not enough resources to help people, the economy the way it is, if a person is a pedophile, they won't be able to abuse or molest a child, or bullying in school, etc. Not to mention less populations in gangs or in prisons. Sometimes, if a mother has HIV, the baby won't be born with it, and won't be a crack or heroin baby because of the mothers stupidity. To the antis out there, look at it this way, abortions aren't a burden, they are a blessing, since this world already has alot of problems, and we don't need to be adding more to it by having more kids. Besides, they're not my kids, so I could care less about things such as that. Instead, let's try to focus on things such as the current problems in the world, and try to build the economy, so this way, when it is time to reproduce, our kids won't be in the poverty line, and having to commit crimes in order to have the basic needs. Fair enough? If you truly love kids, you will understand. Attacks and thumbs down only prove I am telling you the truth. End of story, at least on my part."
"people an make their own decision . I think women should be able to get abortions because you don't know what shes been thru too get pregnant . You guys cant just look at it as killing another human that can be brought into this world !!"
"'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof' (Bill of Rights, Amendment 1). Anti-abortion laws are unconstitutional. It is nobody's right to control how a woman controls her body, and that includes abortion too."
"This is completely hypocritical because you are not letting that unborn baby have free excercise of what they want."
"It's your life your decision good or bad"
"@JDH.The baby is inside the mother's body, is it not?"
"ummmm actually it's not his/her life it''s the babies life that is inside of them and it is not right to kill it point blank period!!!!!!!"
"@Alexis.Are you saying that the "baby"s right holds more than the MOTHER'S? How wrong you are, my friend."
"COD3, what happened to equal rights? Why should the mother have more rights?"
"Why should society get to make a decision for a woman on what to do with HER body? No one asks to get raped, not many people intend on getting pregnant every time they have sex. Everyone makes mistakes and you shouldn't be condemned for it. The baby doesn't even form a brain or a heartbeat until about four/five weeks. How can it be considered a person?"
"Well, Sara, because some people are so stupid and ignorant that they feel it is their job to tell people how to think, such as congress, conservative idiots, and angry feminists who are bitchy and bitter about their life, and the only satisfaction they get is to tell others how to think. Sometimes they are funny in their idiocy, and if they were on youtube, I bet they would be a laughing stock. I know I've had my share of laughs watching them, as well as listening to the cons on this and another topic I frequently post on. You have to look at them with amusement, and maybe you might enjoy them more. As far as the abortions go, they are a blessing, since there is no financial burden with it, and you get to move on with your life. Sure there might be some regret, but is being a person who is unable to take care of a kid something you don't regret? I say, we need them more than ever, and people who amuse us are the biggest reason for such a thing. I say, we put up a statue to George Tiller, a real hero. So, abortions happen, whose choice was it, right? The benefits outweigh the misery."
"It is way more than that. Maybe look up some facts before you go around posting stuff that isn't tree. And, no it's not killing a baby. The baby doesn't even form a brain until 5 weeks, and it can't breathe on it's own until it's born. So what if people open their legs? Maybe abortion is overused, I will agree with that, but sex is a natural instinct. Are you saying you would ignore all your natural instincts so something that can't even have an opinion on the matter would live? Would you like it if someone else made your decisions for you? I don't think you would. No one likes getting told what to do without having a say in it."
""Everyone makes mistakes and you shouldn't be condemned for it."Condemned means being sentenced to death. Having a child will very rarely consist of dying, thus your argument is negated"
"Ben, The word 'condemned' has more than one definition.However, if abortion was to become illegal, it would be considered as murder, as many people already do. Who knows what the punishment would be for that? Perhaps a life sentence? Maybe the death penalty, you know, an eye for an eye? So, if abortion became illegal, it would be like a death sentence. Excuse me if you don't like my vocabulary but I'm not here to discuss words and their definitions."
"umm you know 1% of abortions are from rape and incest. the rest is because they decide to open there legs and they don't want to be responsible, and calling a baby a fetus is just a label they put on it so it doesn't sound as bad but in reality your killing a baby."
"Of course it should be legal. I mean, look at the teens getting pregnant, and becoming single moms out there. If abortions were allowed, there would be less people living in the poverty line, and on top of that, since we have alot of angry kids running around, abortions would decrease them, as well as unwanted pregnancies, and since alot of guys get girls pregnant, they won't be so quick to leave them. Plus, there are alot of benefits, such as a girl not dropping out of school, and in the case of rape or incest, they can never have anything reminding them of such a horrid event. That would be the best part of the abortion, since there are alot of things that they can do, such as wait until they are ready. Sure it is sad to have one, but less of both a financial, as well as physical and emotional burden on the girl who got pregnant by some idiot who wasn't ready for that kind of responsibility. Plus if the baby is going to be disabled, an abortion can be beneficial also, since the taxes and government agencies won't have to step in and give it lifetime care at the tax payers expense, which will be better for people in this world, and it would be glorious to the world, due to the overpopulation and burdens that come with all that."
"Of course I would. I knew of a girl who had 5 abortions, and whose decision was it? Hers, and hers alone. I wasn't the father of her kid, so I wouldn't care. You have to understand, JDH, that there are alot of financial burdens, not to mention bullying if the kid is a target, as well as alot of angry people out there, who make life hard for people, and as far as abortion, I am pro on that. What if the woman was a drug addict and was killing her own baby? What about in cases of rape and incest? As far as sex ed, I agree that more should be taught in schools, but the moralists and right wing are fighting against it, and many times, the schools, out of fear for bad publicity or whatnot let them have their way. Maybe I wouldn't, but whose choice is it? I didn't make the choice for them.Now, as far as motherhood goes, I knew some and they told me that if they could turn back the clock, they would. Also, with teens getting pregnant, abortion would be a blessing, especially since they wouldn't drop out of school, and the boy might stay with them, because after listening to idiots who were bigger virgins than he was, and getting a girl pregnant, he can not run away. It is at best a double edge sword. I am pro choice, always. :)"
"@JDH.Are you implying that the fathers of children don't feel strongly for the baby? Just as strongly as the mother? They may have different experiences with the child, but that doesn't necessarily mean that one parent loves it more than the other. I feel offended. Just because I have a vagina and give birth to the child, I automatically love it more. How insulting. That's no reason to discriminate against men in this debate. Not everyone experiences the "true joy" of childbirth the way you do. Try to be a little more empathetic and respectful, if you don't mind."
"Thank you, nikki, if you were referring to me. I am glad to hear that, if that was the case. I don't even know why this is up for debate, especially since i personally would LOVE to work for planned parenthood, if the opportunity ever arised. I think it would be the dream job. I mean that sincerely.As far as the antis go, I guess they wouldn't mind future criminals running around, more disabled people on the government housing, and gangs vandalizing things. Well, the antis are truly the selfish ones, and they are arguably, the biggest reason for abortion, and the best asset to it. I say, planned parenthood rocks, and we need more people like George Tiller. Glad the person got 50 years. We need more abortions."
"Sure, I would want them to do that, especially if they're not potential fans of mine, or whatever. Wouldn't bother me one iota, to be quite honest with you. They do that, more power to them.Besides, with the economy the way that it is, lack of jobs, and nothing to look forward to, why have kids, because that is what they are facing. Besides, it would give people who molest kids no chance to do so.As far as the so-called great athletes who cares about them, they kill themselves through drugs and stupid acts, and I wouldn't be bothered by something as ridiculous, or frivolous as that, and to respond to adoption, alot of kids might be adopted by child molestors or criminals, or people who are worse parents than the ones who gave them up.If people practiced birth control, or kept it out of the birth canal, and used protection, these things wouldn't happen, so I say, more abortions, the more the merrier. Thank you for your comment."
"More power to them, Number one. Number 2, god doesn't exist. Finally, you want to do that, I salute you for it. AS far as spreading their legs, if the boys were educated, they would know that they should use protection, and keep it out of the birth canal, and put it someplace else.The baby hasn't been born yet, so it doesn't count as a person. You are entitled to your feelings, but so are we, as well as myself, and I am pro 100%Well, then sounds like your beef is with the fatehr of the kid, which isn't me.Thank you for your comment."
"Its the teens own stupid fault therefore she should have the responsibility there is always a consequence"
"love your post to the fullest I am doing a eassy on should abortion be legal and I had came up with some of the same views as you."
"Why the hell should girls be able to get abortions just because they dont want it, WELL THERE THE ONES THAT SPREAD THERE LEGS IN THE FIRST PLACE and i'm still in highschool and when i look around i dont see pregnant chicks walking around. A few maybe will get pregnant but thats there own problem and they shouldnt solve it by killing it and to girls who have been raped well i hope they all know that that baby they have inside of them i half of them, plus that baby that hasnt been born yet hasnt done anything to hurt her its the f***ed up father not and its still a human being god did not put us on this earth to kill each other and sense you feel so strongly about killing someone maybe i should go and get a gun and shot some pragnant chicks in the stomch but you know i can do that because some people belive its ALRIGHT TO KILL INNOCENT CHILDREN."
"would you want that same girl to commit suicide??? Because thats what happens to almost half of the percent of girls who terminate. Some guys have even killed themselves over it. Maybe if mothers would step up and care for their daughters more then women wouldn't be so careless. If it weren't for adoption I wouldn't even be alive right now because my mother was adopted. Even great athletes were adopted. And how dare you blame over population on pregnant people. The government is so busy taking care of things that don't matter that they let tones of people come into this country LEAGLE OR NOT."
"C0D3 I fail to see anything discriminatory in my statement. It's the truth, pure a simple. I never said a mom "loves" her child more I merely said the bond was different. You can dislike my comment but it is what it is. Do I feel for men? Absolutely but it still doesn't change anything."
"How about stepping up the sex ed in schools???? How about we stop giving money to illegal aliens and instead use it to help these young moms?? The adoption process needs to be reformed as well. If it were easier and less expensive to adopt, I'd have more children tomorrow. Why do people always have to look for the quick and easy way out of everything? No matter what, the woman will always have to live with the decision. When she looks into the eyes of the child(ren) she chose to keep. Victor as a man it's easy for you to look at abortion from such an insidiously logical sort of way because you cannot and will not ever carry another life inside your body. You will never know the true joy a mother experiences through child birth. I have experienced it myself and the bond a mother shares with her children is like nothing in this life. If you felt that, you would NEVER suggest abortion."
"abortion should be legal....... BAM"
"Uh, to answer your question, I base it on what I have seen, and as far as the aborted babies go, well, I look at it this way, society has dodged bullets with them, by elimination of the financial, and emotional burdens.I don't believe they would make a positive impact on society. THAT part, I find highly amusing, especially since more crimes such as vandalism is committed now more than ever, and with nothing to look forward to, since the jobs are going overseas, and famine, I don't believe for one second that it would be true. And the crap that YOU discuss, JDH, is worse than people bring in, with future criminals that you apparently are in favor of, since you seem to defend something as assanine as pro-life. I don't believe that they will make a positive impact on society, and based on your arguments, neither would your words."
"Hey, Mav, I like the way you think. Abortion should be legal, BAM! If what they are saying was true, I suspect they were saying that to garner our favor to them. Truth of the matter is, parenthood isn't always pleasent, with the economy, the possiblility of kids becoming the next Jeffrey Dahmer, or pedophile running around, and besides, who cares if people have an abortion. I say the more the merrier, especially since they aren't my biggest fan, so one less piece of shit roaming this earth. Hey, you can't buy honesty and truthfulness such as this, so I am giving it for free, lol.As far as JDH, abortions are what keeps people like you away from us, and as far as we are concerned, that is how we like it. I bet the antis go for abortionsl more than the pros, they just don't want to admit it. And as far as defending pro-life talk to the people who regret getting pregnant, and see their lives and tell me you are still pro life. ABORTIONS FOREVER. I love them all."
"hey mav, its not cool to legalize abortion. it is legalizing murder if you think about it !!! just get over your self and think if it was you. if you was that baby..would you wanna live out your life? would you rather be born into a family that isn't your own blood or not be born at all??? -email@example.com-"
"Victor, do you ever think for a moment about the babies that are being aborted? I mean you talk a lot of crap about how abortion prevents more rapists, murderers, people like you and so on and so forth but what about kiddos that would have made a real positive difference on society?? You are one strange man and you base a lot of what you say off of assumptions rather than facts."
"Murder is murder.......BAM!"
"I still cannot believe that this is an issue. Don't bring the bible or any religion to say this is wrong. There is a very logical law called "Separation of Church and State." Which means that no religion holds any value in making a law. If you don't want an abortion, don't have one. That simple. Trying to prevent women who need an abortion is doing no good. There are 7 billion people on this planet. That's way too many people. In lieu of murdering human beings, terminating an unwanted pregnancy is successful for population control. I'm not telling people to change their minds, just be open minded about what others want. Also, adoption still puts the woman through pregnancy and childbirth. Please, please, please, just stop using "God" as an argument."
"The best way to prevent the pregnancy is to keep it out of the birth canal, and use the spermicide and diaphram with good quality condoms, that way, you can't get pregnant. Yeah, you're right, there are 7 billion on this planet, and the morons are growing at an alarming rate. This is why I am in favor of it, and the cons, or antis as I like to call them are the biggest reason for abortions. Besides, I don't care much for those who aren't admirers of mine, and reproducing will only emphasize that, so I say we need more abortions. Also, since the babies are a burden on the economy, abortions are the best thing in the world, and for those who are against it, you are the reason for it. Pure and simple. We pros are thinking of society by having them, and you selfish people are thinking of yourselves by keeping them. Talk to the people who regret getting pregnant and you will see what I mean. I am so thankful for abortions, and I think they are the best answer to the burdens babies give. And I sorely wish we had more abortions, since the cons, non fans of mine, and celebrities are the reason for them, if they only knew their vocal point of view did more for the pros than anything. End of story"
"So... is God pro-abortion when he performs miscarriages...?? (Before you answer, God liked this comment on Facebook. Lol)"
"I totally agree!"
"The woman should have considered the risks, then, hm? I image killing the effing baby is just as painful as birthing the child. That woman is a selfish monster. The poor child had a chance at a LIFE, and instead, it is crushed. The baby can feel that, you know. Please, please, please, just stop using "seperation of church and state" as an argument."
"God Bless America Shane and God Bless you too!!!! I'm a God loving woman and He is a part of every decision I make. It's people like you who are taking my rights away as a Christian but since you believe in justifying murder, I suppose you don't care about that. You can toss out the whole 'Separation of Church and State' all you want but us Jesus lovers will still be able to vote."
"I believe abortion should be legal for the fact that bith the mother and unborn are in danger at birth the father wont get a say in who he wants the doctors to save. Is the father not as important as the mother? What if he wants to save the his wife or girlfriend and then later n have more kids. But if abortion is illegal then he wil get no say in that"
"Most of the Con arguments are that people aren't being responsible and they aren't using condoms or birth control so they have to face their consequences. But condoms and birth control are not 100% affective. And in the case that people are raped, they have no choice but to be pregnant. Pregnancy isn't always a choice. And if a woman, young or old, knows they are not responsible enough to deal with pregnancy, let alone a child, they deserve every right to abort. And I am aware there are other ways of preventing pregnancy and of course, use those, FIRST. Abortion should be the last choice. By making abortion illegal, there are high chances of women performing "Back- Alley" abortions which is extremely dangerous and often lead to serious injury or death. So, would you rather have a woman die or an undeveloped fetus die? Before the first 20 weeks of pregnancy, the fetus has not developed the biological nerves to feel any pain. So, there is no pain inflicted onto the fetus. It is NOT brutal murder. It is not murder. A person does not become a person at conception a person becomes a person at birth. To go through the process of pregnancy and birth cost a lot of money that most people cannot afford that is whyadoptionisnt alwaysachoice"
"In that case, Daniel and the antis thank you for contributing to the cause. I salute you for it, lol.As far as abortions go, they are the best alternative, especially to the problems to the economy, and not to mention, the baby being there and being a burden on the mother, because of the problems it will bring, and not to mention what if it is disabled, right? Plus the guy she didn't want to be with will have a link to her. Abortion prevents it.Besides, the mother is thinking of the baby first, especially since she realizes that she isn't ready to give the child what it needs and ends her pregnancy. If you antis were a little more intelligent, you would realize that it isn't selfish to have an abortion, but alot of them are too stupid to know better.If more people had abortions, there would be less crime, prisons wouldn't be crowded, and alot less haters would be around. Besides, as far as adoption goes, you don't know who is going to get the baby, could be someone worse than the anits on here who will pump the kids head with stupidity, or molest them. Is it worth it? No."
"@cara, no it isn't. That was the same argument Todd Aiken used, and look at what happened to him as a result of that stupid mentality. Abortions would be a blessing, especially since you don't have to put extra money on a little monster who will be worse than Charlie Manson, or Uday Hussein, or whatnot, and wind up either on the FBI's 10 most wanted, or interpol. The unborn child will be a burden on society, especially on the economic level, and do you want to struggle to make ends meet, because of your decision to keep the little monster, and contribute to crime, and gangs, and all that? If you do, then who is the selfish one? Not me. Besides, as far as rape, why would a woman want to keep something that reminded her of a horrible experience? You're hurting society with that argument. Abortion would prevent the tie to someone you don't want to be with, or remind you of the person on a daily basis, and I don't think anybody wants that. The women who do it, are thinking of the child."
"I get so sick of people using the justification of it's only a fetus not a person to justify their conscience. You know that it is going to become a human being...if it's not a baby then you're not pregnant! Also with the whole rape argument. It might sound harsh but aborting just because you were raped is kind of selfish. The unborn child is innocent and you want to murder him/her because you had a bad experience? Killing the baby won't erase anything. The whole back alley argument is totally irrelevant."
"Well abortions SHOULD cost a lot, the reason why they're cheap is because the taxes of people who hate abortion are paying for them."
"Yes, abortions should be legal because if the woman is raped or is unable to take care of the child at the time or threaten their life or they could be underage and don't have the ability to have a child, they should not have to take care or give birth to the child at the time."
"I like the way you think, casey fitzpatrick. I like your honesty. It's about time someone said that, especially to these anti abortion people. I suppose they want their taxes going up, to take care of all the problems that come up, such as single moms being unable to raise their kids, and the kids being abandoned by the people who got the girl pregnant in the first place, and then leaving them. Abortion is the answer. Besides, with all the crime, and unemployment, and lack of anything out there, why bring a kid into this world, only to make them depressed later, due to being unable to get work, or have a chance at something good. We need more people like you in this world, so pro-choice all the way. Abortion rocks. I say, the more the merrier. We need them, especially since there will be more problems in the world if we let the population get bigger."
"what if you are raped? you can't help it and it's not your fault. :("
"Yeah, abortion would make sense in that case, because you don't want to be carrying the child of someone who did it, no argument there. As far as that one goes, yeah, it would be better, and you aren't thinking of yourself in that case. I can't imagine that a kid coming out of someone knew that their father forced their mother to have them. Can you imagine how that would scar a kid for life? They would wish death upon themselves knowing that, I can tell you that since I knew someone who was a product of that, and they told me that if they could turn back time, they would tell their mother to get an abortion. Same as those whose father or mother sexually abused them (There are mothers who do that, believe it or not), or was abusive, they would wish for an abortion. So, to the anits, think about the aforementioned before you decide to speak against it, and realize that if you were in those situations, wouldn't you want abortions to prevent these things from happening to the child, or a child growing up knowing they were the result of something like that."
"see everyone says what if you were raped yea but it is still human a person no matter what way you put it why not adoption even if you were raped every person deserves a chance. the only case scenario is rape the same way the person lives with rape they have an option give the baby away dont kill it. its not always about what the parent thinks once you become pregnant all of a mothers prioritys change its about the child then."
"thats what im saying, if you got raped, then would you still want go through the pregnancy when you know the only reason you got pregnant is because a sick person raped you, i know i wouldnt because that would haunt me the rest of my life. your always going to remember that, and if you child one day asked who his or hers father is, what are you going to say, you cant lie, you would put them through trama when they found out that their father is a rapist. i totaly agree with you amber, you shouldnt have to put yourself and that child through that kind of trama, doubt, hate, and sorrow. when you do have kids, give that child a long happy life, but dont put them through all the mean names people say these days, like "oops baby" thats the biggest and worst name somone can ever call someone because your putting that child, or adult through sorrow. yea so i think, if you want an abortion, then go for it even though having one could hurt you, it could also have a great outcome to life. say what you want to think of my comment but its my opinion, you cant change it i believe what i feel is right."
"you are right! but it doesn't mean is not your fault to murder the inocent human being....the mother and child is the victim on that situation but you can't just blame the child."
"ok it is obviously not your fault. it is obviously the retarded and soulless raper's fault. but does your kid have to pay? that human being that will have some of your features and that will grow up calling you mom? consider options. don't kill him/her girla"
"Put it up for adoption?"
"Even if you are raped you should not commit murder. That baby may grow up to be president or that baby may solve the cure to cancer."
"On the other hand, for those who are not welfare recipients, should have the right to have an abortion where and when she pleases. I could probably gaurantee you ,those who are better off financially, are probably not as careless. Making the decision to have an abortion or to continue on with the pregnancy should be made by the woman who is pregnant and possibly her significant other. The Government and all other groups including religion need to mind their own business. If the woman needs couseling to make a decision then let her have it. It is hard enough in a world that is so domesticated and superficial, don't make it any worse for us. Pregnancy can do lots of bad things to our bodies."
"I like the way you think, Blonda. I couldn't agree more. I really agree with you on this one."
"You are my hero too!"
"So should we 'mind our own business' when a mother is torturing a day old baby? Or killing it? What difference, exactly, does a 7 inch birth canal trip and a few months make, exactly? EG why should a woman have a right to kill a baby who is <20 weeks old, but not older? I'm sorry to have to say it, but murder *is* the State's business. Bad things? Like what, exactly? Are you aware that there are seriously damaging effects associated with abortion, as well? Psychological trauma, increased risk of breast cancer, etc"
"I am a woman, and I believe that as a woman, I should have every right to make my own decisions what happens to my body. Why should tax payers make that decision? They didn't raise me. America is a country of freedom of speech and choice. Our countries economy cannot afford to continue giving welfare recipients cash assistance, medical, housing, and food stamps for those who do not make right choices. I believe it makes better sense to provide funding for welfare recipients to have an abortion but also limit them. If a recipient continues to be careless, then there needs to be some sort of discipline. Perhaps getting her tubes tide would be a good discipline."
"@JDH.Of course it is.A grown woman can produce more offspring. I suppose it depends on what you'd value more if given the choice--a. a full-grown woman's life, a woman who has already made her own in the world.or...b. a fetus; one who has yet to be born."
"I hear you, 100% And I agree, it is a woman's choice, as it should be. After all, who is carrying the child, right? The economy is burdened enough with all these problems, no need to add anymore to that list, right? We need more people like you in power, Blonda."
"That's what makes it so great. Just as people like the antis have the right to express their opinion although I don't know why we would listen to most of it, we have the right to express ours.I agree, tie their tubes, and then allow someone else to f**k up. Great solution.You're right, the government shouldn't think for us, and neither should the so-called moralists. We need more birth control, especially to keep the antis away from us, and then we can get all the abortions we want, and I am happy to say this to the antis:more abortions, more abortions MORE F***ING ABORTIONS! People should realize there are benefits to it, such as no more antis, and also less non fans of mine, but hey, I'm not a fan of pro-life, so more abortions happen, I smile, especially when the anti abortion people leave the earth. End of story"
"@JDH.I don't understand how I'm reinforcing your previous comment--elaborate for me? I go through the cycle every month, ma'am, no matter how hard you wish to deny my being a girl."
"COD3, you prove my point about a mother's "special bond" every you open your mouth. If you could actually give birth to a baby...you wouldn't value your life over any child...whether it's yours or not and yes, now I AM throwing that in your face."
"Who decides what happens to the body of the unborn child who is being murdered? Oh, yes, the baby doesn't have a choice. You think your body is more valuable than a child's?"
"I am pro-choice for the women who are seriously injured or lose their life in "back ally" abortion clinics. Women should be provided the medical care necessary for a safe abortion. Whether right or wrong, legal or illegal, abortion will never cease to exist. That is the reality here. And few choose to accept it. You can either help these women or let them die in underground clinics. I choose to help."
"We need more people like you who are pro-choice. It is about time that someone on here is knowlegable. I also choose help. I salute you for a good arguement."
"Good for you, Katie. And since one anti said that they're paying for abortions, we know we can get money for that, right?As far as abortions go, you're right, like prostitution, which I know the anits will be seen with in our lifetime, abortion is also inevitable. It is sad to see how selfish they are in letting the problem go underground instead of being legalized. Also, think of the life you will gain, by having one. Man, I love the pros of abortion. Such great selfless people, who know the truth. Forget the antis, they believe in burdens, higher taxes, and complete stupidity, and are probably spineless group followers, instead of being honest with peope. I am so glad I found someone on here, who isn't afraid to be pro choice. We need more people like you."
"Okay, burning you on the stake? Hmm, tempting. No, I am not trying to rile anyone, but since you seem to be riled, maybe I'm accomplishing something. I don't care about babies, they are little monsters, and little burdens. You prove me right every time with why we should have more of them. Are you 12 going on 13? You sound like it, by your personal attacks. I am pro abortion, yes. Deal with it. You're not an awesome anti as you believe you are, just someone who is almost worse than the others.I don't really care, but since you seem to like what I say so much, due to your responses, I say thank you. I am not out to rile anyone. Just expressing an opinion, as you claimed you were. So, too bad you don't have a block button, JDH. As far as your quote to believe it is murder is almost laughable to me, especially since I see alot of problems with having babies, so if you antis want to bring in future criminals, and bad people, and burdens on the economy, that's your problem, and the tax payers. Thank you for your comment"
"Victor, you are what 12 going on 13?? I mean only a child would make such generalized, prejudiced statements. Just because someone doesn't believe the way you do does not mean they are dishonest followers. Get a grip man. Is it so hard to believe that WE JUST BELIEVE IT'S MURDER????? Are you that close minded? Is if fair for me to assume, based on your radical stance on abortion, that you are merely out to rile up us awesome antis?? You sound like you want to lead an angry mob and burn us all at the stake. Maybe you don't really care either way. Maybe you just like to get attention by being as extreme as you possibly can."
"Yeah let's worry about the women who are getting back alley abortions instead of the babies who are being murdered. I don't know what's wrong with you that you would put more value on one life than the other."
"I am pro because there are already thousands of children in the foster care system. If a woman is not in the right position to take care of a child and she carries the baby to term, then that child will more than likely become property of the state and get tossed around like trash. No child should ever be subject to a life like that. So, in order to prevent more children from being in that terrible position, people who cannot take care of their own baby should get an abortion."
"its a womans choice to have an abortion. i terminated my pregnancy because i was raped. i didnt want to have this child because it was never ment to be, i wasnt willing to have sex.. i was forced under my consent. i also did not want this child to resemble the man that forced him self in me. all in all abortion should be legal"
"that's understandable, i mean i would abort a child specially if i got raped."
"Darby, it's really sad that most of the replies to your comment lack compassion for you and the decision you had to make.Few people realize that in many states it is actually possible for rapists to exert parental rights. It's YOUR life that we should care about here - YOUR future, YOUR safety.Hugs to you."
"i was raped at 15 years old, but i there's no good reason to punish an unborn child for your or some one else's mistake or evil intent"
"Oh my gosh. I am so sorry. I can see why you had an abortion."
"Hugs you. I was raped and when I thought I was pregnant by my rapist, I thought I would die. Are you okay now?"
"So your rapists still gets to live but the innocent baby who did nothing wrong gets it's life taken away. I have a difficult time understanding how that is honestly fair. The baby could go to one of hundreds of million couples just dying to adopt a newborn and you could choose to never see it ever again and you would be doing a wonderful thing to allow that baby to live and have a happy life."
"I support you, and I would do the same. Abortion is a right."
"@Syd:If you took the time to actually read the Bible, instead of just instantly thinking God is against abortion like so many Christians do, you would know that God has said that an unborn child is not equivalent to a born person and is not alive. God said that the body is not alive until it breathes its first breath. He also said that, if two men were fighting and would should happen to hit a pregnant woman in the belly, killing the child, he shall be fined. If he were to kill the woman in the process, he shall be put to death. It's apparent from that that an unborn child is not an "innocent life" in the eyes of God, that an unborn child is not alive and does not have the same value as a born person."
"Abortion is no better than rape."
"Why should the child pay for the mistake that the father made? Isn't the life of a human being more important than the right to choose anyways? Abortion is an abuse of free will! Having freedom does not mean that you get to do whatever you want. We are given free will by GOD, who has created each and every one of us in His image and likeness, giving us human dignity! We must be responsible and choose to do the GOOD, not the evil. Abortion has always been and will always be intrinsically evil since it is the murder of innocent human beings. Every human being has a right to life, and abortion deprives a poor baby from having it! Life is so sacred, and it should be protected from conception until natural death. It pains me so much to think of all the children and people we are missing as a result of abortion. Statistics show that I would be missing 1/3 of my classmates as a result of abortion! Many people are killed in silence since children in the womb are vulnerable and cannot speak up. Being in your mother's womb should be the safest place to be on earth, yet, many are betrayed by their mother's when they are aborted. Please stop abortion. THIS IS A RESPONSE TO ALL FOR ABORTION."
"things happen for a reason you cannot blame rape for your abortion."
"If you are raped it should be legal but only after a short amount of time, besides that, no"
"Your child would've ha a different set of genetics. I understand your POV, but there are many other ways to get through that. Your child might have been a great example to raise awareness and helping out those who face the same issue as you DID. You shouldn't take a life for just one reason."
"Your child did not deserve to die as a consequence. It is not fair for the child to die because of your choice. Do you really think you know what is best for your child? Killing him/her?"...it was never meant to be..." Your child would have had a future, a life, and a hope to live, but no. You crushed his/her future. Why did you destroy a person's life? You could have given him/her a future by putting him/her for adoption. Some other family would have given him/her a good future while you would have been relieved that you know that you had not killed the baby. However, you had an abortion.I'm sorry if this offends you a lot, but it is not right for killing a human being. Think about it..."
"will, it doesn't mean you make your child to pay of what the person did to you. if you are the victim here so your child too. you punish the innocent human being."
"I understand the pro life argument, however, if I were raped and found I were pregnant, I'd like to know I had the choice to abort without a big hullabaloo or having to further endanger or humiliate myself. This has always been the one factor that keeps me on this side of the fence. Glad to hear that abortions have been on the decline though."
""Abortion is medically defined as the termination of a pregnancy by the removal or expulsion from the uterus of a fetus or embryo before it is viable." ~WikipediaWhether we want it to be or not, the option of an abortion is now available within our society. People are going to utilize this option whether it's legal or not. The only difference being if it's legal, then the mother will be operated on by trained doctors in a sterile hospital room using sophisticated medical technology. If it's illegal, then we're talking about a holiday inn bathtub, a coat-hanger, and a man that might not speak full English. Though I personally have mixed feelings about abortion, under no circumstance should a woman whom I've never met have to choose the tub over a proper medical facility.This is why I believe abortion should stay legal."
"Stephanie, what about a woman that gets raped? Is it her fault then that she's pregnant? And no contraceptive is 100% effective. I mean condoms, the diaphragm, the pill, the whole nine yards; there is ALWAYS a chance it could fail, no matter how small, it's there."
"it dont matter. you should have an abortion to begin with i mean come on the woman opened her leg and she has a kid on the way she should step up and be rresponsible and take care of the child because its all her fault shes having it. I think next time when she thinks about sex she should use protection or keep her legs closed or learn to be responsible it should be an option Abortion should be illegal because there is no need to kill a human child i mean people get introuble for killing a pregnant lady and that 2 count of murder but you can get introuble for killing your own kid that horrible honestly i disagree with you"
"i do not understand how this is even a debate. it is no one else's business if someone does not want a child.and to say that that child deserves to be born even if the mother does not want it is no good because let's say this person who doesnt want a baby is forced to have it. what then? they have to go through nine months carrying a child they never wanted. you people who are against abortion are ridiculous in trying to butt in on other people's lives. until that pregnancy turns into a baby it is till just a pregnancy and the pregnant mother is still just that one person.that is her body parts inside her.if you dont get a say on whether or not they want a boob job then u dont get a right on whether or not they decide not bring THEIR OWN CHILD into this world or not.IT IS A CHOICE. IT IS THEIR OWN BODIES IT IS THEIR OWN BLOOD AND BREATH THAT CREATES A CHILD SO IT SHOULD BE THEIR OWN MIND THAT GETS TO DECIDE"
"If people are truthfully pro-life, they are the heartless ones, especially since they want to keep taxes raised, and having people more miserable than them. If they looked at people, and realized that the choice they made to have an abortion, and realized that it wasn't a selfish decision, this topic wouldn't be so what it is now. The antis on here don't even realize that they are the reason for birth control, as well as their mentalities, children and the economy with the lack of jobs and people resorting to welfare, or no jobs. I don't care if people disagree, look around you, and see the world for what it is. With all the problems going on with them bringing kids into the world, it is getting worse, not better. So they have a kid, and then wind up regretting it. They change their minds many times, and I don't buy half their arguments, since I've known people say they regretted having kids. So, this is why I am pro abortion, and I salute you for feeling the same way. Rock on"
"If someone does not wish to go through with a pregnancy they shouldn't be forced to."
"@David.Sex isn't a bad thing. If I want to spread my legs, I will. I'm sorry virgins like you don't understand that. Try it sometime."
"@JDH.I was never worried about your comments--you're assuming things. That, or we're not communicating effectively."
"they why in the hell why would she open her legs for ! UH"
"us virgins understand the consequences of sex and thats probably why we dont have it yet not until we are ready..."
"COD3...and you're worried about my comments with the under 18 crowd??? Wow."
"abortions are, quite simply, a person's right. Religious arguments against this are unconstitutional."
"Then look at secular arguments man. There's a whole website for atheists and agnsotics that are against abortion. In fact I read an interview with one where he said that atheists are biased because they'll dismiss all pro-life arguments as religious nonsense, and they don't look at all the science supporting that life begins at conception. And since science is pretty much the religion of nonbelievers, you should listen to science all the time and not just when it's convenient to."
"WOMEN HAVE RIGHTS AND FREEDOM. YOU DONT LIKE ABORTIONS DONT GET ONE. SO MANY WOMEN HAVE FOUGHT TO GET WHERE WE ARE TODAY. CONS NEED TO GET REAL AND REALIZE THAT WOMEN HAVE THE SAY NOT THE FETUS!!! STOP TRYING TO GET THE GOV. MORE INVOLVED THEN THEY ALREADY ARE, THEY STICK THEIR NOSE INTO EVERYONES BUSINESS. HAVING LEGAL ABORTIONS ARE WAY BETTER. SAFER TOO :)"
"No abortion is safe as they always result in the death of one person, sometimes both.Do you disagree that the unborn child is a living human being?"
"Be willing to pay taxes to allow people to get better access to contraceptives and better ones at that. Don't believe that its your job to make sure people who want to have sex have better access to contraceptives? Then dont be surprised that women decide to look out for themselves instead of what you strangers believe they should do with their bodies. Im going to get to privacy in a second."
"Just because I am pro-choice, doesn't mean I am pro-abortion. I would never get an abortion myself, but that doesn't mean I don't think women should have the right to choose. I don't walk around saying, "I hate children" or "I want babies to die!" so the argument from pro-life advocates saying "Don't kill babies!" is just plain idiotic. No woman with any feelings or emotions would ever want to kill a child. Getting an abortion is not an EASY decision for anyone."
"Kourtney, it is unclear from your post so I would ask you to clarify. then I'm sure some will respond.Do you believe that an unborn child is truly a fellow human being?I sincerely want to understand where your thoughts are. Do you believe the unborn are living human beings that simply do not have the right to life that born humans do?Or do you believe that the unborn are not human beings and only become human at some stage in their unborn life, or maybe not until birth?"
"I see some misconceptions on the con sides, so I wanted to post some facts:1) You can view abortion statistics by going to the CDC's website and looking them up. It shows that abortion is a relatively safe procedure. It is significantly safer than pregnancy and labor. You can also come to this conclusion by realizing that a dilation and curettage (D&C) is common to treat fibroids, polyps, and excessive bleeding. 2) The American Psychological Association, which lists their statement and references, states that abortion is not associated with increases in mental health issues. For anecdotal evidence, you can read stories at the 1 in 3 campaign. In contrast, adoption is associated with mental heath issues (which psychologists keep debating, so more research to come).Stating that "the start of life" dictates abortion rights is a convenient over-simplification, that is just not true. A woman is clearly alive and has rights to liberty and control of her body. Pregnancy carries risk and this risk is not known at the time of conception. Some women suffer eclampsia and die quickly, others just get gestational diabetes. Asking a woman to play Russian roulette with her life is a huge request, and not one we make of others."
""intentionally misinterpret" - I'm sorry you feel that way. Can you give me an example. I admit when I dont understand and I usually ask the poster to clarify."dislike women making decisions" "a troll" - personal attacks are really out of place in a debate. Let's remain civil and discuss. I wont fight with you, so please keep it civil so we can get to the bottom of this very important topic.When you describe the stage of life called "conception" and pregnancy as well as a generic "need for another's body", I am tempted to agree.With such a over-simplified description, sure I can agree. However, I do not consider pregnancy the same thing as having the same blood type. Its flawed to do so. Pregnancy involves a man and woman committing an act to CREATE a new person. The responsibility of the creators to the created seems plain to me. How do you address this responsibility that I say they have to the created?In your example of blood transfusion, you have the potential donor with absolutely no attachment or responsibility to the inflicted person. Of course it would be wrong to randomly force people to donate their bodies. Pregnancy is not random though, right?"
"jcauldren: I've read a few of your replies to other people, and you seem to intentionally misinterpret people. You also seem to really dislike women making decisions. But just in case you aren't really a troll, I decided to respond.As my last paragraph explains, your insistence that "the start of life" dictates whether abortion should be permitted is a gross over-simplification. My need of another's body to survive does not suddenly require that individual to give me their body. This is true for adults, children, and fetus's. Pregnancy is dangerous. About 800 women die a day due to pregnancy complications. This is just the number who die; many more suffer serious injuries.I consider myself pro-life. I am pro all life. Pro women's lives, pro women's health, pro children's lives, pro men's lives. But I do not think anyone's right to life allows them to use another person's body to maintain their life. If I need a blood transfusion, I cannot demand this from you. If a fetus needs a uterus, it cannot demand this of any woman."
""abortion is safe"I think you are missing the point if you believe that the foundation of a pro-life stance is that it's not safe for the mother.The foundation of pro-lifer's stance is that it's not safe for the baby 100% of the time.I assume you are pro-choice, but is there any point at which you would vote to eliminate a woman's choice and prohibit abortion? When is that point? 1 min before birth? 1 month? when?Can you also explain why?My point in asking is that if we all agreed on when the world has a new human being in existence (at conception or at birth or some place inbetween) then this abortion debate would be pretty straightforward and short (or so I would think).I feel the root issue is when we all feel that the unborn child actually is a human being. When do you feel this is? Would you vote to restrict a womans right to choose abortion at that point?Honestly curious."
"Abortions is just another way for the government to reduce human living. Its simple if you think about it we as people just make it harder, I'm pro because I believe that the others want it to go on because they do not want to deal with a child .Con just want the easy way out you can lay up to have sex but cant take care you a child?? where in the bible does it says that I'ts ok to kill a child and Con will easliy say that its not a living child 'YET"when did nonliving things have a heart beat? I do not believe in abortions but Im still with adoption!"
"I would like to state that I have worked in the medical field for over 30 years, in a clinic and different hospitals. I have seen countless cases of pregnancies that have gone wrong and become dangerously complicated for the mother. I even witnessed the case of a pregnancy that was very much wanted and planned for by both parents only to produce an abnormal fetus that was certain to cause the mother's death if the pregnancy continued. I will never forget the tears of the parents as they left the doctor's office. Yet, I have also known extremist "pro-lifers" who are so fanatical in their views that they would deny an abortion even to those women whose pregnancies threaten their very lives and would condemn a woman who had an abortion for that emergency reason. What hypocritical arrogance!"
"So, to clarify Sissy, you are for banning most abortions - correct?You are against banning abortions where the mother's life is in danger, correct? That makes sense to me, but then again that makes up a very small fraction of the abortions performed.So where do you stand when the mother's "life" is not in danger and merely her (and the father's) "way of life" is in danger? Still okay with abortion then?"
"It's a woman's personal choice, not a choice that should be debated by old white men. It should be legal for those who want one."
"Olivia, when do you believe that thing inside a woman's body becomes a human being and it would be wrong to terminate it?Until the cord is cut? 1 min before passing thru birth canal? 1 month before birth? Conception? When?"
"if abortion isn't legal despite young ladies will choose "Back-Alley" abortions. of they are that set on it they will get it done, its more humane in a clinic rather then someone's basement."
"I just read Carroll's response, which sounds like she is saying that abortion is dangerous? Abortion is much safer than pregnancy, first of all. You can read the CDC reports for verification, but for example the CDC lists 0.64 deaths per 1000,000 abortions, while 1 in 4800 women die due to pregnancy complications. The risk of complication is lower with an abortion too, as you can read in the report.Secondly, an abortion in the first trimester is just a dilation and curettage (D&C). This is a common procedure to treat fibroids, excessive bleeding, polyps, and incomplete miscarriages. If a D&C were really incredibly dangerous, women with perforated uteri would be everywhere. I know many menopausal women who had them for fibroids, not one perforated uterus.Finally, 1 in 3 women in the US have an abortion in their lifetime. If abortion were really incredibly dangerous, so many women would be seriously inured. Even the anti-women's health groups tout that "X million" abortions have been carried out. That would be a lot of women with unreported complications if the "dangerous" claim were true."
"@Carroll, You say you care about woman. So why not try to prevent abortion by actually helping women and their partners access birth control? And then help women who's birth control fails by helping the woman access resources to care for the baby?Mikayla had a wonderful point. Banning abortion does NOT decrease abortion rates. You can look at rates in nations with abortion bans and the analysis of what happened in Romania in 1966. Banning abortions is not a way to "change culture." You need to replace the need for abortion with something else. Simply saying "don't do that" hasn't worked for abstinence only education, and it won't work to convince a woman to value her life less.The countries with the lowest abortion rates actually don't ban abortion. But they do offer great contraception coverage and have a culture of respect for partners, and for contraception use."
""You can take the abortion out of the back alley, but you can never take the back alley out of abortion". There are two types of abortionists; the ones who have perforated a uterus, and the ones who lie about it. Despite what many people think, all abortion procedures carry a significant risk of injury even with the best standards implemented. And the "best" standards are reserved for the women who can pay for them. Poor women are subject to poor sterilization, and substandard care from the abortionist. Even if you could implement mandatory health and safety standards, it is still dangerous. Legislation to implement standards are being shot down by abortion advocates because it would "prevent low income women from affording abortions". We are not trying to force women to partake in dangerous medical procedures by denying them the "right" to an abortion. We are trying to show everyone that abortion should not be allowed because it is the intentional destruction of a human life, and the intent of murder should never be allowed or made "safe". We do not take this position lightly, and we are not blind to the pain that women experience. We are trying to change culture's attitude so that women can be helped and comforted."
"My view is that abortion is a choice that a mother should be able to make. The guilt will rest on her consience. Who are you to tell her how to live her life? As for the arguement that killing a living thing, no matter how small, is wrong, than perhaps masturbation should be illegal. A fetus is the development from a an egg that was fertilized by a sperm cell, so with that being said, wouldn't masturbation be killing a possible life? After all, for all we know that little cell could grow up to become a person of high importance. While on the matter of killing living things period, perhaps scratching should be illegal... After all, those are innocent living cells that die when we scratch ourselves. What do all of these have in common? None are fully functional beings. Therefore, where do we draw the line from right and wrong?"
"Okay science time.Sperm Cell = Haploid cell that is incapable of independently turning into a human.Non-fertilized Ovum=Haploid cell incapable of active movement and also incapable of naturally turning into a human by itself. Zygote=The parent cell by which the chain of cellular development begins. Contains a unique chromosome code that is not the mothers. The immune system of the mother even recognizes, at times, that the zygote is not part of her. If developed normally, and left unmolested, this single cell well develop the human body (or two if the zygote becomes twins).Morals time.Murder= Intentionally ending a humans lifeAbortion=Intentionally ending a humans(or sometimes humans') life('s).What reason do you give for justifying murder? The child will be poor? Let us round up all of those pesky poor people and shoot them. The child won't be loved? Lets chop the heads off of everyone that we think is not adequately loved. To many people on earth? Load em up by the truckload and dump them into a giant blender. At least then we can use them for fertilizer. Killing for the sake of comfort or convenience is NEVER acceptable."
"No, not in turn. If someone chooses to live a life of celibacy, by your logic, this would be a case of murder billions of times over for not using their reproductive cells. Reproductive cells do not live forever even if you don't waste them in your hand. They only live so long even when "unused".Until there is conception, there is no "life form". There is no human being. The fact that a sperm and an egg are required for conception does not make them human beings. Together they become a new human being, alone they are only 1 of many other cells in the human body.If you do nothing with a sperm cell and leave it as it is, you get a dead sperm cell. If you leave a fertilized egg alone to do what it does, you wind up with a baby... see?You are arguing that a sperm cell is a human being. Do you really mean to?"
"No masturbation is not killing. Sperm are no more a life form than your skin cells. Reproductive cells do not grow up and make mate and make baby reproductive cells. They are simply a living cell like a hair on your head.A conceived child is a new life form. There is nothing else that it can be. Science, philosophy, religion and common sense all agree. A fertilized egg is a new life form that grows and will one day mate with another life form to make baby life forms. That is what is meant by "life" in the abortion debate... not living cells."
"In turn, however, couldn't you say that that sperm cell is a vital part of that fertilized egg. This being because it fertilizes the egg. Therefore, wouldn't killing sperm cells be killing a living thing that could be destined to grow into a human?"
"I am 100% prochoice meaning that I support a woman's right to choose abortion, adoption, parenting, or if she is not pregnant, contraception. It is her pregnancy, her right, and her choice. Life does not begin until birth, so people need to chill out. I only support one restriction on abortion: it should be safe for the woman. To the antichoice crowd: answer two questions for me. If conception is so important, why did Jesus say to be born again, and why does Genesis 2:7 show Adam's life beginning after he was formed, not before? It is the Bible itself that made me prochoice, along with some logic. Here is a longer list of questions for prolifers compiled by me: http://www.writerscafe.org/writing/Ayyuba/1254396/ ."
"I love the question "How is forced pregnancy different than rape? In both cases, the woman's reproductive organs are being used against their will."Even better is the comparison between forced gestation and organ donation. If all life is so valuable, we should have mandatory blood and marrow donation. There should be kidney and liver donor drafts. And organ donation upon death should be mandatory. I looked it up and thousands and thousands of people die in this country every year waiting for organs, yet the "pro-lifers" are not fighting for them. Is seems hypocritical, and the more I think about it the more it feels like the "pro-lifers" really just want to control a group of people they think are vulnerable rather than protect any life."
"@Carroll Speights. I hope you get my reply. I could not find a reply button for you or Miri. Anywhoo, you need to come up with facts, and not baseless assertions. Did Adam's life begin before or after God breathed life into his nose, and did Jesus say to be born again or conceived again? I await you response, Sparky."
"@Miri B.: I completely agree. They should also fight for better healthcare including mental healthcare. Too many people like me are dying because of bad healthcare, and what about our troops?"
"What facts would you like me to come up with Ms. Ayyuba? I asked you how you supported your assertion that life doesn't begin until birth. I am still waiting on you to respond to that and also let me know if you support the killing of a child moments before birth. Your assertions are the ones wanting for facts so please provide them.If you take the context of the bible in it's correct form, then it can be assumed that life began when God breathed the breath of life into Adam. There are multiple verses that allude to life beginning before birth, and also verses that refer to people as having identity before birth. If you have faith that there is a God and that the holy bible is his inspired word for our teaching and directing, then please study it more thoroughly and stop cherry picking out of context or inserting your own "wisdom" into it. If otherwise stop referencing scripture that holds no meaning for you and that you would normally discount as the scribblings of bronze age goat herders. Also please understand that I am not against a woman's rights, but I am utterly against destroying the rights of an unborn child. If you disagree with this then please explain in detail."
"You assertion that life begins at birth, how do you support that? And do you then approve of killing children moments before they are born? We will "chill out" when you convince us that abortion is not the intentional murder of an unborn child. Until then we will not sit by like silent sheep while lies are purported as truth and millions of children are torn apart every year. Why do you think that Jesus told us to be born again? I will love to hear the reasoning you have for this. Adam's life began when God "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life", so when do you think that we receive this breath of life?"
"Abortion should be legal for several reasons1. Woman fought for THEIR RIGHT to choose therefore; it's NOT your decision. 2. Those of you arguing, "there is someone out there who would love to take your place, and be a mother." that's nice, so why are they not adopting? did you know about 40% of Children age out of foster care. just check out this site here: http://www.ccainstitute.org/why-we-do-it-/facts-and-statistics.html .3. How many of you Con people are really thinking and considering what this childs needs are going to be, as well as what kind of home they are going to be provided with? Do you truly think your beliefs are going to help this child once it's born? Don't be selfish.4. In all honesty do you consider the factor of the economy and the impact it will have if ALL fetuses were born into children?? 5. (my favorite) for those of you saying, "You should have taken the proper percautions." now think about this in a logical sense. You expect a woman to take care of her child after she can barely make simple decisions to protect herself? Grated some woman can, but not everyone is the same, some people take longer to mature.HAVE A HEART PEOPLE!!!"
"seriously your saying have a heart when your going pro abortion. why don't you read that line and think about it who has the heart the people trying to protect a life or the ones killing it. on top of that yea woman fought for their rights but that doesn't give her the right to take a the life of someone else in this case the baby and yea true 40 percent grow out of foster homes but your only looking at the negative 60 percent actually get a family and last time i check thats more than 40% and we do think of those things your saying but there alway is a way a much better one the abortion life is strugle for EVERYONE using this as an excuse to kill is cold and heartless and yes it could have an effect on the economy but the same go's to if abortion is legalize it wont help but hurt it and the children can actually help the economy and no but thats why there is adoption or other option and a child can actually change a person to good and make them mature more have a good day and get a heart"
"60% is more than 40%, but that doesn't mean that 40% doesn't deserve a family that loves them.>>>>>Last I checked that 60% isn't somehow going to compensate for the 40%. <<<<<Life is a struggle for everyone, it really is, but people who have a family to support them makes it better wouldn't you say?Being a mother doesn't change everyone (as I already stated, if you even BOTHERED reading thoroughly what I had posted) and I can say that from KNOWING mothers who have not changed. Can you?Obviously not because you're still "pro life", this title happens to be an oxymoron considering you people don't care about these children after they are born. This is why I say, "Have a heart""
"I like the way a lot of anti-abortionists believe that having an abortion is selfish.Let us take a look at what "selfish" actually means:"concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself : seeking or concentrating on one's own advantage, pleasure, or well-being without regard for others" - Mariam-Webster Dictionary.Now that we know this, let's have a look at the reasons people have babies:1.) You want to create a family. Why? Give me one unselfish reason for wanting a family. I bet you can't.2.) To take on a new challenge. In other words, you get satisfaction from taking on a challenge. Again, that sounds like a pretty self-concerned reason.3.) I like children and want one of my own. So, why not adopt? Why does it have to be your own? Again, another "I want for me" reason.4.) To bring a life into the world. Why do you want to bring a life into the world? Because it makes you feel good about yourself, right?What I'm trying to say here, is that we are all technically "selfish". You can't use it as an argument against abortion unless you are currently raising a child that you do not love or want, so you might as well stop."
"I'm pretty sure that the primary reason why someone is pro-life is because they feel abortion terminates the life of a living human being.Nothing about selfishness, just that someone innocent is being killed."
"My thoughts exactly!!! Great post!!!"
"I'm pro for abortion because it is the mother's choice. It could've been a mistake, she could've gotten raped, and even though it's her child, and she should love it regardless, why should she keep I child that reminds her of a horrible and traumatizing time in her life? Or keep a child that was made in a one night stand. Not that having a child would mess up your life, but to have a child, you need both mother and father involved in his/her life. There really isn't any way to contact someone who you just had a one night stand with."
"Amy, you're talking to a person who grew up with no father and who's mother had her at 18. First of all, I'm not discriminating against anyone. And second, I'm nothing near being homophobic either, my best friend is gay, so do me a favor and stop putting words in my mouth. Thankyou."
"Thanks for discriminating against single parents and gay parents by claiming that a child needs both a mother and a father. Single parents and gays can do just as good of a job raising children. Not having a male influence to help you raise a child isn't an excuse to have an abortion. You can still do a good job as a mother or if you don't feel confident or don't want the responsibility you can give the child up to adoption. A lack of a male in your life is no excuse to extinguish a unique being."
"Lily, here's a thought, people do whatever they want whenever they want. Nobody's going to listen to you just because you tell them not to."
"They don't make bad parents. And I have no religion, so to me it's just, do what you want to do. I will say that it is a little difficult for them to raise a child to to expenses and society, but hey, I made it out fine. I don't see why anyone else couldn't."
"I'm sorry Kyara. You wrote that a child needs both a mother and father involved in their life and I clearly misunderstood you. Could you please clarify that statement for me and how you do not mean that single parents or gay parents would make bad parents? I do not mean to put words in your mouth. I'm just trying to understand your point. And also having gay friends does not mean you support gay unions. One of my closest friends is Christian and says she has no problem with her gay friends. But she argues against gay marriage and believes homosexuals would make terrible parents even though she loves this friend very much. I disagree with her and I would like to know how you stand because not every gay couple, infertile couple, or single parent are wealthy enough to afford invitro fertilization or the lengthy process of adopting outside of the United States."
"Alright. Then you are living proof that a child raised without both parents can turn out well. Why are you still pro-choice?"
"Here's a thought, don't have one night stands. If you do get pregnant due to a one night stand it only takes 9 months of your life to give someone a lifetime."
"Should abortion be legal? There is an average of 1.3 million abortions per year and One out of five pregnancies end in abortion. Women aged 20-29 receive 55% of all abortions, and 40% of all women have an abortion by the age of 45. Although there are about 1,800 abortion providers in the United States, 87% of US countries do not provide abortion services. According to Harry Reid , the Senate Majority leader , believes that abortion should be legal due to safety reasons. Harry Reid said ,"I think that no matter how you stand on the issue of abortion, people who make that decision should do it and not have to be worried about infections and some butcher like this doing the bad things that they did. It should be in a place that is clean and sterile and have people who know what they're doing and care about what they do."I personally think abortion should be legal because either way people try to prevent it, woman will always find a way to have an abortion. Why risk their lives when there can be many ways to control this process. People should open more clinics that provide more professionals that know this procedure."
"Experiences is what defines us as being human. The things that each person goes through in their life is what makes us "us". An unborn fetus has no experiences and could to some extent be considered nothing more that a parasite leeching off the life force of the mother who may not want the child. The are many reasons why a mother may want to not give birth to a child and in the end point is that it is freedom that is desired. So the point is that you are removing an unborn child with no identity or personality of any kind."
""experiences is what defines us as being human"By what authority do you say this? What authority do you wield to define what is and what is not humanity?I know that you have none, so mostly asking to see if you've considered this yourself. There must be some weight or authority to statements you make, especially when a human life hangs in the balance of the discussion."
"Religious arguments never hold up in court. "because it's wrong" is not a valid statement that holds up in court. I see it as a woman's choice, all choices we make in life have a positive AND negative impact. That's a freedom we have right there; to make a choice. There's no need to implement fear onto others...how about just facts. Ignorance and ethnocentric views will only harm you. This needs to be viewed in a cultural relativistic perspective. Just because someone is different or makes a different choice doesn't mean it's wrong. However your perception is your reality to an extent. Options should be available for women out there...There are all these issues with the moral fabric of society, values, etc. Well take into account cultural imperialism... if abortion was illegal...then that will force women to assimilate into a society said to value freedom of choices... yet they're being made to give birth..Whereas it is legal now.. but no one is forcing a large population who has different values to abort. (generally speaking of course.) This is not a "I'm right you're wrong issue"... because that's childish and this issue is not to be taken lightly. There are always compromises and potential solutions."
"I believe that the church has influenced the "con" people and the church shouldn't have a say in the laws that the government makes, it should be up to the person individually not by people who aren't in that situation"
"Josh, you don't fully believe that people should be free to individually decide who can and who cannot live.We already have laws against murder and theft that mimic ancient religious laws. Surely you are not against these are you?It would be better to understand why you feel a person should be free to kill an unborn child and (assuming you are happy with the anti-murder laws we have today) not okay to kill a born human.Can you define that?"
"There is no reason"
"Another person would never have legal claims to my body tissues, organs, or blood, even when it's crucial for their survival. A fetus isn't sentient, nor capable of feeling pain until long after the deadline for a legal abortion, so why are we giving it rights to a woman's body that no sentient human even has in the first place? Many anti-choice comments seem to imply that the fetus is sentient, but it is not capable of thinking or feeling. If I had been aborted, I would not be questioning why or thinking about the life I would've had, I would simply NEVER HAVE EXISTED. I'm completely against the murder of a sentient being, but sadly, a fetus does not belong in that category."
"There are so many reasons why abortion should be legal. Drug addictions, alchoholism, and just not being ready. Better to not be a parent at all than to be a crappy parent your child will hate."
"yeah but there are other options you can decide on like adoption giving them to a family member that you can trust and you know they aren't smoking or anything. If abortion stays legal it just makes more reasons for guys to pressure girls about sex or even rape them."
"It's the mothers' choice. It is her body , and she has the right to do whatever she wants to do with it. The government shouldnt control the body."
"You said it, it is the mothers body she owns not the baby's life, it was her mistake to do what she did,not the babyWhy should the mistake of the mother cost the baby's life?"
"Bull. She can't legally prostitute. Can't legally smoke crack. Can't punch her two year old's teeth out. Can't operate a motorcycle while drunk. Why should she be able to be an irresponsible person and then be allowed to have a human being killed because of her selfish actions? As stated, it's scientifically proven to be human. The DNA proves this. Classifying it as something else due to a timeline is stupid and self serving. It will never be classified as a horse, housefly, or fern. It is human. All of you supporters are hypocrites. You get to type your love and support of abortion because your mother never aborted you. If you were a burden on her would you allow her to go back in time and changer her mind? Hell no. Because you are selfish and self centered. Live in the hypocrisy but thank your mother for not aborting you."
"@Agent Pendergast:Your argument that - because a person should have the right to do what they want with their own body - self-mutilation and suicide should be legal does not make any sense. There is a difference between a psychological disorder - which one would have to have in order to self-mutilate or commit suicide - and a choice to do something with your body.I have friends who have cut themselves. They didn't do it because they chose to; they did it because they felt as if they *had* to. They did it because they felt that the only way to escape their emotional pain was to cause their self physical pain. People who feel that way need psychological help. I would actually recommend that women considering abortion see a psychologist as well because it will benefit them in the end, but wanting an abortion does not mean you have a psychological disorder like self-mutilation and suicide does.And the fetus is never "the woman's body". It is, however, *inside* the woman's body, and she has the right to choose whether it can stay inside her or not."
"So self-mutilation and suicide should be legal? At what point, specifically, does the fetus cease being "the woman's body" and start having it's own?"
"Abortions. Every mother thinks about it at some point in their lives. Young mothers are never the best mothers. Especially when they are unprepared. Especially when the majority are still in school and don't have the time for a baby. Mothers need to devote more than just the early morning and the evening to their children. As the child grows older, they will need to go to daycare and school. This costs a lot, especially for someone without a steady income or a husband. Women need to think about what they are getting into before they do it. They need to think about how their lives will be affected by the new baby. They need to think about how their children's lives will be affected by the lack of their mother's presence. Most mothers don't think, they just do. In some cases, that is fine, it may benefit you, but in others, it just makes life a whole lot worse. Women may not always be thinking sensibly, especially when they are in the "heat of the moment." Abortions can save more than just one life. The baby will be no more, but the mother can think about graduating, college, friends, and a job. When all of that is finished, she may be ready.Abortions are necessary in life because women who are not ready yet have a second chance."
"Goodness guys. STOP REPEATING COMMENTS!!!Jeez! People like you make me want to re-think my stance. And as for the raping stuff, I'd say that both sides grossly exaggerate stuff. The yes people are right that courts are really biased in this stuff, though. =O"
"Man, these antis who are pro life would probably agree with Richard Murdoch or Todd Aiken's slogans or quotes as far as someone getting forcibly pregnant. In that case the anits are the fucked up ones on here, aren't you antis? You just don't want to admit, and can you imagine the scar on the child, knowing that it was a result of that? I wouldn't want to be the result of that, and I know the child wouldn't. I knew someone who was the result of that, and every day, they wish they were aborted. It is cruel to be born, knowing that they were the result of that, or of someone who abandoned them. Abortions can prevent something like that, as well as I have stated earlier, more Bugsy Seigels, Meyer Harris Cohens, people like you antis, and so forth. Hell, if I could, I would love to work for abortion clinics, because they prevent these problems. As far as back alley's go, it is the ANTIS who are making people go there, so antis, you are at fault for that. YOU should've been aborted. So, in conclusion, I say to the anits on here with extreme pride and pleasure: more abortions, MORE abortions, MORE F***ING ABORTIONS! DEAL WITH IT! And I hope there would be more abortions, so we will be laughing at you antis forever."
"I have switched sides. What if the mother is at risk for death, traumatic injury, traumatic illness, the baby will die anyway, the baby has something like Tay-Sachs, the mother will be killed in an honor killing, stuff like that. As long as the abortion is done in a human manner, I support the mother's right to choose. I still however, believe that life begins when fertilization is complete 24 hours after ovulation."
"Many people consider abortion murder, I know what I'm about to say might not be part of the argument, but think of all the animals you kill and eat everyday. We humans only think of our own survival, we are all considered murderers on the inside. We consider abortion as a murder case, but how about the eggs you eat?"
"the eggs we eat are infertile"
"The eggs we are really eating are the chickens period so imagine eating the chickens period (that has nothing to do with abortions ) but I'm pro-life"
"Okay, so it seems the antis on here are coming up with more amusing arguments on why we should be pro-life. Well, I would like to ask the antis on here, would you want to have a hard time making ends meet, so future criminals, and financial and emotional burdens can wind up in an orange or blue suits in a jail cell, because of the economy the way it is, and also becaue there is nothing out there for them? Would you want victims of rape or incest to be seeing the face of the person who did it, and having a tie to the victimizer? Also, do you agree with the person who made that stupid comment during the presidential debate. I mean, come on, people, use whatever little brains you supposedly have. Babies are an economical and emotional burden, and also a source of problems. Ask any teenage or single mom out there who has a baby. I've known women who said they regretted having the babies because of problems such as finances, so if you want future criminals like Bin Laden, or Hussein running around, that's your problem, but in the meantime, let's say abortions are beneficial. So, I say onto yee, more abortions, MORE abortions, MORE F***ING ABORTIONS! Deal with it. End of story."
"I think it is funny how most the Con comments are just outright "nup it's murder, and that's that" while Pro comments go into detail with their argument. Abortion should be up to the potential parent. It's a tough choice to make, but it should be just that; a choice."
"It should be alright for a parent to choose whether to kill their innocent defenseless child? Its a choice to kill now. You want to know what i think is funny ? how your prochoice because you already have been born thankfully because your parents didnt choose to asassinate you."
"Because it is.Define murder, or kill: to rob one of his or her existence. If I kill you, I've robbed you of the rest of your existence. If you kill your unborn child, you've quite literally robbed him/her of the ENTIRETY of his/her existence. If anything, this should warrant an even harsher punishment than simple post-birth murder."
"I agree, Anus. It should be a woman's choice, especially when you look at all the factors that are involved with taking care of that little brat. I mean, are you ready to give up your life, and pursuits for someone who will either be a little burden, or a bully to others, or wind up on interpol, or the FBI's 10 most wanted before 21? Do you want to be burdenized, because the priority is that kid, and not your own life, and wind up getting ulcers, because of the stress of taking care of a child, not to mention the debt that you will accumulate with things such as doctor's visits, and psycoloigists, due to the mistake you made? I say, it isn't worth it, especially if you have to work more than one job to support the mistake you made, that an abortion can prevent. And to that other malarchy about the god thing, I suppose the antis out there agree with both Richard Mourdoch and Todd Aikens statements in regards to pregnancies as a result of rape or incest, don't you antis? I'm sure alot of you do, only you don't want to admit it. So, it should be a choice. Pro choice means you are in favor or letting a person MAKE the choice (choice, antis, not force, which is YOUR point of view). End of story."
"actually, it's switched. almost all the comments on the pro side are just rape. i am against abortion and i had a son at 15. there is no good reason to punish an unborn child for your or some one else's mistake."
"sometimes one word is all we need to describe a situationmurder"
"it's the mother's body so it is her choice. if she really doesn;t want a child, she will go to extremes like a backstreet abortion. no child deserves to be brought into the world unwanted either."
"i think that abortion shouldnot be ilegal beacuse what if a 9 year old girl got raped and ends up pregnant ? her body will not be ready to have a baby and she is way to young to be having a baby at this age and she might die."
"a nine yr old would most likely have not started her period which would make it impossible to get pregnant"
"women's choice for her body. less living off the government less unwanted children in bad homes"
"i don't understand why people against abortion are trying to make a hard decision for someone else. abortion isn't a thing to take lightly, yes, but a woman's uterus should not belong to the whole country"
"in my opinion abortion is a self choice, sometimes a women is raped, or something terrible happens. When that happens some women get abortions and in cases like that it is okay, because of the fact that the baby would be better off not living than living in an unfit home. we are all entitled to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, if having an abortion makes you happy, then why not go for it. i personally am against abortions, but i cannot deny that i agree with them because of all the facts that point out saying that there is nothing wrong with them."
"A woman who isn't ready for a baby will not be a good mother. Children deserve mothers who are financially, emotionally and physically stable. A rape victim might not want to take care of a rapists child, and a teen mom might want to pursue her life goals rather than take care of child for the next 18 + years. If I know that my child and I would suffer, I would rather not have it at all"
"The children who are killed could've easily had a future by adoption. There are so many arguments to make against this, but to crush a soul, kill a human, why do it?"
"Right, but It was your choice you lay downa nd spread your legs, you have to think about that when your about to have sex, know with Rape I understand, but Not to kill the baby who hasn't even had a chance to live"
"she should't have sex point blank don't open your legs if you don't want the respnsibility"
"I have two points to make, only two, so listen carefully. First. Developing life is not "sacred". Humans don't become individuals at birth, every human begins his life as an empty shell, only later to be filled with intelligence and personality. Only after they gain intelligence can we consider them human and grant them constitutional rights. This happens with-in first year, long after birth event had occurred.Second point. Every intelligent being(human or not) that has an ability to reproduce itself, is in charge of it's reproductive systems. Controlling what he/her/it should or should not do with it's systems is a violation of basic rights of individuals. If individual's reproductive system has begun building an undesirable copy, it should be it's and only prerogative to decide whenever to terminate or continue the construction sequence. Morality is not relevant. "Parents" own their "children", until they become individuals themselves. Once a shell becomes individual, parent looses his ownership right.Conclusion: Law only protects individuals, NOT human shells.Individuals have a moral high ground to control their reproductive systems.Problem solved. Debate dismissed. You're welcome."
"As a birth control activist Margaret Sanger has said: "No women can call herself free who does not own and control her own body." Especially if the baby has been conceived without the will of the mother, then her right of disposal supercedes the right of an unborn baby to live."
"Yeah, and Margaret Sanger was also an Eugenist. I think you might want to look a bit more into Sanger before you start quoting her. I would be ashamed to have anything to do with using her for an argument."
"All the problems in the world can be attributed to childbirth. Overpopulation being the foremost."
"Overpopulation? Wow, you obviously have not been on a road trip in awhile."
"We do such a poor job providing sex education and limit access to contraception that unplanned and un wanted pregnancies are bound to happen. Unfortunately we need to provide a safe and legal alternative. It always surprises me that so many pro-life people are also against providing comprehensive sex education."
"Biblical fact checking is as important as political fact checking. You would be surprised to know that contentious views about abortion are not conveyed in scripture. In fact, scripture defuses the abortion debate. What the Bible really says about abortion has never been included in the debate. If Christians are kept in the dark concerning scriptural truth, arguments over abortion will continue to worsen and persist while the message of God's love and salvation is set aside. The following article is based on scriptural facts about abortion not religious faction and fiction.How scripture defuses the abortion debate - http://bit.ly/CLLonAbortion"
"I am for abortion all the way, it is not murder as it has not had a heartbeat yet."Taking the life of a human being/baby." It is not a human being yet nor a baby, only after birth it can be considered a living being. Talk about taking a life and killing it, then why would you kill bugs and other creatures around you that are LIVING. You end it's life because it doesnt belong there. If you're so into religion, then why kill God's creatures he has put forth in front of you for beauty, and yet end God's creation?Think about what you say before putting religion into this. A woman has her rights and because religion has such imapct, who are you all to judge how a woman runs her own body? You are not God, you are to not judge for another person you don't know. It's a clump of cells that are not alive yet and therefore a life has not been taken away. It is pure sin to punish another person just because you disapprove of them. If it is not meant to be and the mother has that feeling it isn't, then it isn't. The future of the child shouldn't be a punishment to his/her life because of irresponsibility in the mothers case. Except for rape/incest."
"Ah, finally somebody who makes sense. You're right, a woman DOES have her rights. As far as the religious argument, it is a fradulent one. I can't understand why so many people believe that crap.In cases of rape/incest, the abortion SHOULD happen, because this way, the mother has no tie or result reminding them of what had happened. I don't know about you, but if I were in that position, I certainly wouldn't want to be reminded of such a horrid incident, and neither would anyone, so why force a mother to keep a little burden who will turn out worse than the case of rape and incest, right? I say, let the people decide what to do. Daniel, I salute you for giving an argument that makes sense. Thank you"
"The decision to have an abortion is a very personal one. In a secular nation we should not govern through the lens of one religious ideology. If one's personal beliefs prohibit the termination of a pregnancy then they are free to take their pregnancy to term. If bearing a child is a danger or a hardship for a family then they too should be free to end a pregnancy. For those that fight to ban abortion they should consider if they live in Vermont and a woman in Utah decides to terminate a pregnancy their life is unaffected by that decision. We should all live our own lives and not try to control that of others. We need to respect the beliefs of others and respect the diversity that makes this country great. The right to choose allows people of all faiths to legally follow their owm conscience and take responisbilty for their actions."
"It is very offensive to me that some old man in Washington DC would claim to know what is best for me and my family. Fourteen years ago I had to terminate a wanted pregnancy when my husband and I found out the baby had severe genetic defects. It was very emotionally painful, but I was lucky to have a lot of family support. If I hadn't been able to the baby would have needlessly suffered for the rest of its life."
"A woman has the right to choice what she does with her body. I find it ridiculous how this topic is still up for debate in our society. And why as women are we bashing each other for decisions we are making for ourselves? You have not walked in our shoes, and we have not walked in yours. Believe in what you want, just stop shoving your agenda down our throats about us "murdering", it's not murder. If you want your baby, keep it. If you are in a situation in which you are entirely unable to raise a child, by all means, do what you need to do. We as women should be uniting and helping each other; you don't have to agree with our decisions, just be a kindhearted human being and help your fellow woman against the government that debate about OUR bodies. Why are human bodies being discussed in a political arena anyway?"
"Abortion should be legal, because for some people certain issues are better to not be genetically passed on."
"I never fully thought about this issue until I was the one that had to make it. i was someone that said i could never go through with it...that all changed when i became pregnant and was the one doing the decision making. i was taking birth control at the time and still got pregnant. i had only been in a relationship with the man for 4 mos, he had a child of his own and i was finishing my last semester of college.i thought about adoption but knowing that "my child" was somewhere out there in the world would have caused me more mental harm and guilt than choosing to have an abortion. i made the decision for me and only me and at that point in my life thats the decision that seemed to be best and i am beyond thankful i had the right to make that decision for myself. i strongly believe it should be a womans right to choose but let me say this i do not support the use of abortion as birth control. i came across something the other day that made me think and i believe someone commented about this earlier but those who are against abortion are usually anti-gay marriage so if you force a woman to have a baby and it turns out to be gay will you still fight for its rights as a human being?"
"If a living things needs MY body to survive, its rights do NOT override MY female rights over MY own body.Once viable (youngest case was 20 weeks), the fetus should be removed and doctors can try to keep it alive in an incubator.Before earliest known viability, 20 weeks, a female has SOLE jurisdiction of her body as the only independent person."
"Granting the continuation of an unwanted pregnancy is granting the removal of life-sustaining resources, that are in limited supply on our finite planet, from others. We need to accept abortion as one of the most moral options in determining who lives and dies in a world running out of resources. It certainly beats forced sterilization! Sure everyone might "deserve" to live, but unfortunately, the reality is that it is impossible to maintain our population and consumption rates without running out. We can either reduce consumption or/and reduce population, but we cannot continue forever to increase in population and consumption without facing very serious, life-threatening situations. Countries around the world are working hard to improve their quality of life. The ones that have succeeded (such as China) have significantly increased the consumption of limited resources. Certainly, an ideal world would be one in which all people are able to consume as much as they want, but with over 7 billion people, that dream is an absolute fantasy. Until we can put an end to poverty and hunger world-wide, we should consider abortion - an option that has irrefutably reduced poverty, crime, and hunger - as something that should remain legal"
"Please give future generations a chance. Abortion fights crime, poverty, resource exhaustion, hunger, overpopulation, species extinction, and much more. We need a safer, less-crowded, less-desperate future for our children. I am a father. After over a decade of studying the facts in great detail I realized that my once slightly-pro-life stance was incompatible with the scientific truth. I feel there are some Americans who are unfortunately confused about what is best for our nation and investigating the abortion issue is something that most Americans do not care to do objectively enough to get past their emotionally-based conclusions. We need more than emotion and anecdotal evidence. We need reason, data, objectivity, AND compassion to come to the right decision. Protect the babies of the future. Support a woman's choice to have an abortion."
"When you eat eggs are you eating chicken? NO. Do you masturbate? Well your killing a million possible babies... You cant take a life that hasn't even started yet. Is it bad to remove a tapeworm (something that feeds off of your body)? I don't think it is anyone's place to tell me what I can and can't do with my body. If you don't agree with abortion, then don't get one."
"You have an egg for breakfast and chicken for dinner. This argument is not the same. How do you define life? That argument about the chicken egg is not the same as a human. If it was then it would be illegal to eat chicken eggs and chickens. Is it you right to also kill someone who gets in your way? Is it you right to enslave another person to make you life easier? No. Take a step back and think. What if your mother had decided to abort you."
"Abortions cost close to 600 dollars. Its thousands of dollars to take good care of yourself and a baby while pregnant. Protection doesn't always work and the arguement the abstinence till you are ready to have a baby is impractical for modern day society. It just would never work. You can complain all you want and say that the woman is at fault for getting pregnant but it isn't fair for you and the government to make a decision about someone else's body. If you aren't the woman with the baby in her, you shouldn't be able to have a say in the matter and I find it extremely creepy that we are leaving this decision up to politicians (mainly men) in their 50's and 60's and onwards who don't understand the needs of younger pregnant women. Stop calling women selfish for wanting control over their bodies. This shouldn't be a government issue, it's a personal decision. If a woman decides abortion is the best way to go for her then you need to respect that and stop preaching to her about how she is a murderer. I think if we start to allow the government to make personal choices for us about our body and sex life, the usa will get very weird very quickly. And no, I didn't even use the rape argument."
"In my opinion, it's simple. Every child should be able to live a happy life. And if the mothers circumstances wouldn't allow that, then the birth of the child wouldn't be fair to either child nor mother. Why ruin two people's lives, when you could've left - at least - one of them happy. Why does everyone seem to think, that people only get abortions to avoid having to work harder and not having to deal with hardships. A woman who is mature enough to think by herself, would consider abortion. Not for her only, BUT FOR THE BABY'S SAKE, which in fact IS what all this is about. Where is all this freedom, we Americans are so famous for around the world. This is not freedom. This is looking down upon people, who have thought about other people's lives, and therefore chooses this solution. And remember - not everyone is Christian, not everyone believes abortions are wrong. So take it easy, and let the freedom we've spoken about for so long, finally begin. Thank you for reading."
"Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinions and I believe you should live by your own morals, but just remember not everyone has the same morals as you. I, myself, am pro-choice up to a certain point. At 18 weeks a fetus can feel pain. No one wants to inflict pain. So I believe that if a woman wants to abort before then, she has that right. It's her own personal business. Then there's rape, and birth defects. There are obviously women who would still have a child if raped, but not all women feel that way. Some would just rather not. And if you knew your child had a good chance of being born with a serious birth defect. Again, obviously some would still have the child, but there are people would rather not. Not just for themselves but because they would not want their child to have to go through that. Also, if we want to talk about the potential of the child, then we must talk about the potential that all eggs and sperm have.. if given the chance. But no one is going around trying to save all of them.. :P"
"Although abortion isn't admirable, it should be legal up to the point when the fetus is developed enough to survive on its own.Considering that the world is beginning to encounter overpopulation, women should be allowed every possible alternative to having a baby.The notion that abortion is equal to murder is false. There is a definite difference between a fetus/embryo and a person. If fetuses are people, why aren't they counted in the census?If abortion is a type of murder, then by that train of thought, a miscarriage is a type of manslaughter. Obviously, it's ridiculously unfair to incarcerate women who miscarry, so the same attitude should go to abortion.Besides, it's not like women LIKE having abortions. Getting an abortion isn't fun; it's something that women premeditate immensely. If a woman wants an abortion, it's safe to assume that she has good reason.If you're pro-life, don't get an abortion. It's that simple. Don't boss other women around regarding what they do with their bodies, it's their choice and their problem only."
"I believe every person has rights. A women has a right to choose to use birth control or keep her legs together. That BABY is innocent and 2 wrongs do not make a right."
"Humans will continue having sex because it is a beautiful and natural part of being a human being. It isn't as simple as possible. Yes, I agree that killing an unborn child is always a sad event and that other possible options should be evaluated first, but women shouldn't be forced to carry children to term, no matter if it was her fault, from rape, or because her protection failed. It would be causing women to be nothing more than animals. Pregnancy isn't just about the child, it's about the woman too. Children, no matter at what stage of life are precious and have worth, but when they aren't born yet, they are reliant upon their mothers for life and even just 9 months can cause horrible damage, physically, mentally, emotionally, and to aspects of the woman's life. No one should be forced to carry something that will cause them damage."
"i beleive that we should keep it legal for 2 reasons. 1 being that if a woman wants an abortion badly enough, she'll find a way to get one and could possibly injur herself in doing so. the second is the fact that abortion is an option. if you want to keep the baby, fine. it's not like you have to get one just because you have the capability. it's just giving people a choice and there's nothing wrong with that."
"unless you've been in the situation, you do not know that its like to make that decision. not everyone who wants an abortion is slut who neglects condoms and birth control. the adoption system is mediocre at best, and can leave a child scarred. plus, putting a kid up for adoption isn't that easy. that woman will still have to endure 9 months of pregnancy, doctors visits, and handle the costs for all of that, which is very expensive. would you really trust someone who didnt want the baby in the first place to get the proper pre-natal care that she needs for the baby to be healthy? and i dont think any man has the right to say that abortion should be illegal. YOUR not the one who is going to have to change their entire life for AT LEAST nine months to have the child. whether its yours or not, its not your decision. my body, my decision"
"Thank you. This is what I've been trying to get across."
"Just because its your body doesnt mean you have the right to murder your child."
"Yes this woman may have to change her life for nine months, and yes there will be a financial burden. But instead think of it this way your taking what could possibly be 20 years or more from the life of another by never giving them a chance. You ever noticed how a sentence for murder is more than nine months and some money? Well that's what abortion is, murder. And hey would you have wanted to be aborted? Do you feel that your life should have been fragily placed in the hands of your mother? What if she had decided to do it? Then you wouldn't be here to cry out pro-abortion...think about it."
"I am for abortion remaining legal because our society fails to provide and protect unwanted children. These children grow up in poverty and are more likely to end up in the penal system.I am also pro-choice because rape or incest is horrific enough; imagine the psychological trauma of being forced to endure a pregnancy which is a daily physical reminder of that trauma. We would have fewer abortions if access to birth control and sex education classes talked about birth control. It is interesting how the states which have the largest percentages of people who oppose abortion also oppose anything other than abstinence only education...they also have the highest abortion rates and highest poverty rates. Other genetic conditions not covered, such as Tay-sacs guarantee that the child will die within three years of an excruciating death. There is no cure. To force a child to bear that horror while their family looks on is unconscionable. It isn't just parents avoiding mentally retarded children. If abortion were illegal, desperate women would not have the safety of a medical doctor performing the procedure. This is a secular nation and forcing the beliefs of one religion onto everyone is un-American."
"I like the way you think, Greta, I totally agree with you. I agree also that we need more sex education and access to birth control, but unfortunately, it is the conservative crapheads that prevent people from getting that. I am glad to see a woman who is pro-choice, and wants it legalized. You don't find too many in that. By legalizing it, you can give people the option to have it. I am so glad the guy who killed George Tiller is in jail, but the punishment didn't fit the crime unfortunately. He was a hero to me.Glad to hear also that you are using a secular notion. I salute you."
"i believe anonymous has got some point but when your life is ended at the time when you were even not born, and you even don't know the good and bad parts of life, nobody is sure whether one has stolen away one's right. We should not just think about these kinda things only. does anybody care about those suffering young girls (pregnant) who have lost their beautiful time just because of "GOODBYE" of their boyfriends? What about those women raped and discarded and the result turns out bad to only them? Abortion should be made legal and most of female willing to have abortion are youngsters. Some may have physical problems too. Why should the government decide about the thing which can change the whole life of a woman just to save a fetus which is not even developed enough to be called a baby?"
"1) Because they're 'unwanted'? What about 'unwanted' 3-day old babies? Or 'unwanted' 3 week old babies? Or 'unwanted' 3 month old toddlers? How exactly does the fact that the child (a human being, btw. If it's not a human being, then wtf *is* it, may I ask?) hasn't gone through the birth canal yet justify it's termination? 2) I agree, rape and incest are horrific. But A) they are only 1% of cases, and B) I don't think two wrongs necessarily make a right. 2) The problem with your genetic argument is slippery-slope.... the same rationale you used could just as easily be applied to certain people in a coma, people on life support with diseases that "guarantee they're going to die anyway" If you want to use that as justification for abortion, then fine, but two (additional) points: A) There would have to be some sort of genetic test done before abortion would be allowed, and B) I hope you aren't against euthanizing the elderly, either. It would be illogical to be so. As to your last point: Religion (or notions of morality, at the least) ALWAYS are forced on everyone. *You* yourself are guilty of "forcing" your (moral ie religious) belief that abortion "ought" to be legal on everyone else."
"So basically- you're- saying our society is too corrupt. So its okay to kill unborn babies- because they would be "high risk."As a kid myself, (16) I find that INCREDIBLY insulting. If I happened to be one of those fetuses, I would much rather my parents give me a chance to live life, rather than, because of their own judgement, just end my life right then. Wouldn't you? I might even go so far as to connect that to modern day. If this were the true way to act/think and if this was a solid justification, isn't that a little contradictory to many of the chartities that exist for children who live in misfortune in third world countries? Aren't they in worse conditions- there are babies being born right now that will have to fight for their lives much harder than, I believe, we ever will here in America- and of course we send money to support a non-profit organization so they can have a chance at life-which we should do. Your saying however, in a America, it's justified for people to deny their OWN children the right to live because it's to "high risk," and basically they wouldn't even have a chance. That's just down right wrong. It makes absolutely NO sense. End of story."
"So basically we should go down the street and murder any street urchins we find because they most likely will end up in prison. Should we also drill holes in their heads and scrape out stem cells before we kill them."
"who cares!!!! it is the mothers choice if she chooses it our not. we should have no say in the privacy of a mothers home. if she wants to abort her child, who are we to criticize"
"I totally agree, Allison Rodriguez. I couldn't have put it better myself. It should be a woman's choice. First and foremost, it is the woman, after all, whose baby is it, right? I mean, if a guy leaves a girl after she gets pregnant, then he should forefit ANY right to the baby, so if he is sad because of the abortion, who was the one who impregnated her and left, right? After he leaves, and all, he forefits all rights to the baby, so in that case, it is the woman's decision, as it should be. I like the way you think."
"thanks bro i agree with all of you alls comment"
"Do you realize that your same agrument could be said about child abuse? Where do you draw the line?"
"I am Pro because no one has a choice to tell a women what to do with her body. I also belive that relgion has nothing to do with this and that if you antiabortionist care about people you would see that even though you make abortion illegal there will be back alley clinics where many women will die!"
"what i think we really need to do is stop arguing about the fetus and start worrying about the children that are already in this world."
"im pro cause its a choice. its stupid that people think its murder its not the baby isnt a baby yet."
"The government simply should NOT have control over what women choose to do to their bodies. This should not be an issue where the government is involved whatsoever. Even if aborting a fetus can be considered "murder", women drink, smoke and take illegal narcotics during their pregnancies anyways that cause devastating birth defects to their unborn children. If the child is not going to be in a good home, living a life without any type of abuse, then it should be up to the mother to make that decision, but not the government."
"so he or she can learn from their mothers murderous mistake"
"its the womans choise we have no reason to interseed"
"one day, under certain circumstances. may mine, or someone elses women. need to abort a child in order to save it from a inadeqaute upraising. if someone does not or connot take care of their child, they should not be forced to have that child, or have to go through what it takes to find it a home. Trevor Lohman TOLO <3 and HC 2012 <3"
"No offence to you.. you have your own thoughts. but that is just plain SELFISH!!! if you cant take care of a baby dont have sex simple as that. Put it up for adoption that way you aren't murdering a innocent baby that has done NOTHING WRONG!!!"
"bro why dont u people but out and listen to thier problems bofore you go around judging people."
"This is certainly a delicate topic to be discussed. But, I believe that a woman has the right to chose of whether or not she wants to remove her fetus; after all, she was the actual one that made it possible to come to existence, along with the father of the child. Not only that, but if the fetus is removed before 20 weeks, it hasn't even developed the senses of pain, so that will go unnoticed for him or her. 5 months is quite a long time for parents to decide on whether or not they can have the baby; so they would probably make up their mind in time to decide that, so that no harm would be done to the fetus at all. So I believe that abortion should remain legal, for the decision should rely on the parents' hands, and there should be absolutely no third party interference to influence their choice."
"Here's how I see it.Abortion should be legal at any point in the pregnancy all the way up to the point that the fetus is fully developed and could live without complications from premature birth.Up until that point the fetus is no more than a parasite, it cannot be called a baby or newborn (because it could not exist on its own) It is not a child or an infant (because it has not fully developed all five senses) It is not a person (because it has not developed a mind or personality)Until birth it is nothing more than a clump of cells feeding off the body of a host. It is human nature to feel sympathy toward babies, infants, children, people. However, this sympathy is woefully misplaced when it is applied to a fetus; something that is not any of the aforementioned."
"All of you cons fail to mention the womaan that accaully try to have a child andd something goes wrong for insists my little girl that im pregnant with at this moment and which is still alive. I was told by my dr and seen with my own eyes tht she has no limbs developing and will likly be still born by 6the months if I didnt die before then from the ovian cancer I have. How dare all of you for not pointing all the suffering mothers out there dealing with the worst thing in their lives and having to tell her big brother his little sister past away. Holding out signs at the abortion clinic calling us murders and pictures of chopped up fetuses even seen a preacher out there sayingdont kill you baby they love you well guess what I love meself and my baby so much that I want to see them live a normal life not live in a bed for the rest of their lives and having risk my 4life year old never seening his mother again because I past away."
"I am so sorry hun. I am praying for you to be healed. I am prochoice because of people like you. You have rights."
"Dood think about it. Whos body is this first of all. its the womens. She should be the one who should be making decisions"
"I think abortion should remain legal to protect the health of the mother. I don't think abortion should just be done willy-nilly, but I also think that, if a mother is experiencing an eptopic pregnancy, or another life-threatening condition, she should have access to a means to save her life. And might I also point out that, if a eptopic pregnancy were to continue, the baby always dies anyway, so there is no 'sacrificing the mother to save the child.'Also, outlawing abortion will not stop them. If they cannot get one legally, women will just resort to unsafe and illegal measure, such as 'coat-hanger abortions.' When preformed, these can often result in infertility and even death to the mother, in addition to the obvious harm to the child. I don't like the idea of killing a child, unborn or not, but there are some instances where it is neccessary. I believe the real answer would be to have regulations, such as a psychological examination of patients, to ensure they thought the decision through and will not regret it later, and a complete ban on abortions in the third trimester."
"I believe in women's right to choose. It is the mothers choice to sort the fetus or not not anyone else's. But I WOULD like to say that everyone here that is saying that killing a fetus is the same as killing a developed child is not true. A woman would not be allowed to go into an a boron clinic when she's 8 months pregnant. There is a certain point in the pregnancy when the fetus is developed enough to call it a person and that is when the abortion becomes illegal. I don't know when the cutoff is but thats how it works so stop complaining."
"In definition what lies inside a womens stomachs is an embryo, at least until 8 weeks after conception. And in defintion and embryo is an organicm in its early stages of development. If killing an organism is murder,and a chicken is an organism, then killing chickens should be murder too! But its not. Abortion is a choice, not murder."
"All of you pro-life believers are basically telling a woman that once she is pregnant her body is just a vessel for others to do as they please! It is her body and her life, therefore it is her choice! Abortions are going to happen no matter what, but wether it's in a clean, safe clinic or a dark alley with a coat-hanger is our decision! And a fetus is called a fetus and not a human for a reason! You're not killing a human... If you were why wouldn't you go to trail for murder! Every situation has a loop-hole and it will be found by someone... and guys; if your girlfriend gets pregnant, support her in whatever option she chooses."
"i think you should be able to have abotions and if someone says it is not right because they are religious then what about people who have other religions and the people who don't belive in god. Any ways there is a seperation of the church and the state so god doesn't matter there anyways."
"This is the 21st century and we have newer and better metheds of population control. I think abortion is a fantastic idea and it is in use in massive countries like china and india where population is out of control"
"I believe that abortion is a human right that should not be limited or regulated by government or religious authority. Each woman has the right to choose abortion. It is a ``fundamental right`` recognized by the U.S. Supreme Court in the Jan.22, 1973case. This should be accepted widely in the society. The important thing is that a baby who is not wanted by the parents should not come into this world. The reason is that prospective parents are required responsible consideration, preparation and planning for birthing children. And after birth they must spend much money and time to raise their children by the time when they grow up. Raising children is a hard work but a pleasure in life for their parents."
"Embryos aren't far enough along in development to have brains, so they are not conscious and don't feel actual pain during abortion. Abortion is more humane than killing a child after birth."
"I believe that laws shouldn't be based on religious beliefs. There are millions of kids already up for adoption. Why add more? No one seems to want the ones we have! I don't know where people are getting that there are tons of families looking to adopt and somehow there is a shortage of adoptable children because of abortion."
"Why? The Bible is clear that abortion is wrong! A persons a person, no matter how small. JK, thats not from the Bible but the bible does say increase in number and multiply, and thou shalt not murder. What can you say to that?"
"I think all involved with actual power to amend currant unlimited abortion (12 weeks or <) need to know we cannot sustain an embro after 12 weeks, nor can we "save" a baby less than 19 weeks gestation--and the earlier the pregnancy ends, the increased likelihood of severe mental challenges (such as emotional control & possibly intellectual factors) increase exponentially. The Bible sites the difference as whether or not the family deserves compensation in the event of the murder of a pregnant woman as to whether or not "quickening" has begun. This "quickening" (overt feeling of the fetus' movement) usually occurs sometime during the 12th to 16th week of gestation. Furthermore, I do not feel that you can condone abortion under special circumstances and forbid it otherwise. You either believe it is acceptable or not, PERIOD. Either the fetus is alive or not. Should a woman be raped and maimed to the brink of death by an escaped serial killer from the prison for the criminally insane, and becomes pregnant you either agree to an abortion or not. You cannot make exceptions if you truly believe it to be wrong and immoral."
"Women everywhere deserve the right to terminate a pregnancy. Its her body, and her right as a human being to be able to legally have an abortion. She should not be restricted by the government on wheather or not she has the right to make a decsion that determines the rest of her life."
"Although Allah might say abortion is bad, I am believing that it is womans right to choose what is good and bad for herself. Yes she may be able to put up baby for adoptings, but what if she does not want to go through pains of childbirth, or what if she is underage pregnant, she does not want embarrassment or stressed. Thank-you."
"have you ever seen 16 and pregnant they knew what they were doing and they kept the babies"
"I'm particularly concerned about ever increasing population numbers being a major part of the cause of most of our environmental and economic problems. I'd go beyond abortion to birth taxes (ideally proportionate to the square of number of kids, times square of the couple's income, times the difference between "present" CO2 level minus 350 PPB), rather than wait for natural selection to reduce our numbers much further than we might want."
"Okay, so it seems the pro-lifers are coming up with the most laughable excuses for forcing a woman who is pregnant to go through with it. Let me ask you this, if there was a chance you could prevent gangs from growing, as well as your taxes going up, would you want to prevent more kids from coming into this earth? Think about it for a moment, it is a personal choice if a woman wants to have an abortion, putting the religious BS aside, and babies being a burden, if you people talked to some single mothers who are miserable, you would know that abortion is a blessing, and it should be a choice. So it is murder, big damn deal. All I can say is that the pro-life people are the biggest reason for abortion, and if I were a doctor, I would certainly abort them without hesitancy. So, some people are destroyed because of it, complain to someone who cares, and besides, if abortions were around, we wouldn't have you people, or more Eric and Dylan types running around. So, I say to the antis, MORE ABORTIONS, MORE ABORTIONS, MORE F***ING ABORTIONS, because it is what is right for those who want it. Besides, abortion clinics are a blessing. End of story."
"Wow man...that's kind of sad...it looks like you never took a biology course...do you know that we are human beings from the moment we are conceived? well, at least I am. Maybe you consider yourself a tomato that until it is born it is nothing but that: a tomato.I wonder if you would feel differently about abortions if it were your mom who wanted to end your life because she didn't want "more kids coming to the earth." oh and by the way, analyze what the word "abortion" means. Maybe you never took a latin course either so I'll tell you: Abortion comes from the latin root "abortar" which means stop, "abort." But, what is it that we are aborting? Well, obviously the human life we are preventing, stopping from developing. Many doctors who do abortions fool you by telling you that abortions do not kill a human being but, do you know why they do that? basically because abortions are a huge source of revenue and so they refute scientific and biological evidence to convince you. But come on man, don let them fool you..."
"I feel the need to say this:If I want to open my legs, I WILL--it's my business what I do with my legs, anyway. SEX IS NOT BAD. ABORTION SHOULD BE LEGAL."
"@JDH.I never said you had to like it."
"I totally agree with you C0D3. We need them. I mean, look at all the juvenile crimes that are commited, because people were stupid and kept the kids, along with all the increased lack of funds, because we have to pay for someone's stupidity, and the jails having an increase in population. Abortions would prevent that. Or increase in sex education, but the conservative crapheads don't want it, because then it means peoiple get educated. Abortions would also prevent burdenizing our natural resources, and make sure everyone has enough, so we don't deplete them. It can be beneficial, and besides, it would decrease the anti population, reduce crimes, and if a child is going to be born to a child molestor, abortion prevented it, along with bringing one into the world. Sex isn't bad, just keep it out of the birth canal, and everyone will be fine.I agree, abortion should be legal. If they ever look for volunteers to do it, three words:SIGN ME UP. :) End of story."
"No one cares that you like to open your legs. Just saying."
"Ethical values aside (because morale should not be law, rather choice) the values of being able to choose when or whether to have a child is uncomprehendable. laws against reproductive rights are unconstitutional and for good reason. If the medical capabilities are there, why not utalize them to the best of our abilities. If we ban abortions, we might as well ban blood tranfusions due to all the jehova's whitness's ethical values."
"I am pro because a women should have the right to choose whether or not she wants to have a child. In the case of rape the women should not have to livewith a 9 month reminder of the tragic thing that has happened to her. I understand that in some people's eyes abortionis a very bad thing, but the fetus is not a person yet and if caught early enough does not even have a heart beat. It is not homicide and a girl should not be frowned at just because she did not want to have the child."
"you know it's easy to say i don't think YOU should get an abortion. but, dear speaker, do you have to deal with the problems of this persons pregnancy? do you have to pay for the medical bills? do you come from a bad back ground? do you have a s*** job that doesn't pay enough to support yourself? do you have some genetic disorder that you don't want to pass on to any child because it will completely ruin their life? no? then i suggest you take your soap box somewhere else."
"Neither do you, sir. So, if that is your argument, then why should we not get a say but you do?"
"There should be a choice. I thought this was America. If you don't want an abortion, don't get one."
"Abortion being legal or illegal shouldn't be a choice that is up to anyone but the woman or family having to make the choice. At the end of the day, if abortion is illegal, you are taking away a woman's right. If you don't believe in abortion, don't do it, but don't judge women that do. You have no idea what they've been through or the situation they are going through. What is she was raped? What is she can't afford a child? Isn't it better for a woman to know she can't have the child instead of risking its life and having it live in poverty? Another thing, making illegal isn't going to dismiss the problem. Women are still going to get abortions, but by doing it themselves- in dirty and disgusting places. Now you are taking twp "lives." Abortion affects the women who have it go through it. It's probably not something anyone imagined themselves. It comes with guilt and extreme sadness. But sometimes, it's what needs to be done. So at the end of the day, the decision is up to the person who is in the situation, and unless it's you, you have no reason to tell a woman she can or can't do something."
"Abortion is, and should remain, a woman's right. Women should have control over their own bodies, as abortion is a private matter. If you are against abortion, then do not get an abortion. Please leave the option for the rest of us, however, as we may have extraordinary circumstances."
"If the mother is a young child, she deserves the choice of keeping the child in her stomach for 9 months or not living with the child. A young woman walking around her school with a pregnant woman would be called rude terms such as ,"slut," by her friends and classmates. This would most likely result in death of the mother and fetus. Abortion should remain legal."
"For those who believe that the fetus will feel pain, almost every fetus will not feel anything at all. It begins to feel pain at 20 weeks, and statistics show that 1% of all abortions happen on or after 20 weeks. So 99 times out of 100, the fetus will feel nothing at all, which is better than letting it live a life where the mother cannot support it or herself. It is better to have 1 life prosper than to have 2 lives ruined."
"I'm pro because s**t happens and women need that safe alternative, we need to be able to have the choice to not be pregnant and have an abortion. Yes there is contraception, but remember it doesn't always work. Children are still conceived with the use of condoms and the pill. Also think of how many house-holds can barely make ends meet, how could they care for a child? Think of the teen pregnancys that happen every year. Yes, not all of them used condoms but I bet you more than anything that many did. Some women just arn't ready to be pregnant. Just give us that safe choice to have an abortion."
"To the topic of stem cell research, that is cool, but they are also, in case you followed it, working on alternatives to abortion for it. True, stem cell research might make a breakthrough, but breakthroughs can take up to 20 years to be absolute, and without question. We have to look at it from that point of view, as far as that goes. They tried to take DNA from people, and see if it would make that happen, but so far, nothing new on it. It might work.As far as abortions go, they still have to be done in some circumstances, such as with a mother who is HIV positive, or taking drugs, they do that, believe it or not, or is with alot of mental problems that can be passed onto the baby. (It has been proven that alot of those are genetic.) I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want a baby with all those problems, since it will burdenize the government, and the taxpayers, since they have to take care of the person, so in alot of ways, abortions prevent things like this from happening. Something for the anits to think about. I don't think they want their taces to go up, and make it harder to make ends meet, like what is already happening at this economy."
"Yeah women, then its okay you know I'll have sex but I wont worry about the consequences you know who cares i can go kill my kid I'll just make up the excuse that I cant sustain him economically."
"i am a teen and rape victim and trust me never once did abortion pass through my mind ! Killing my child was never an option. Even if i couldn't make ends meet, i still try hard and my child has everything she ever needs ! There is NO excuse to abortion !"
"I dont believe it is as simple as yes or no right or wrong. things that should be legal:Aborting to save the life of the motherAborting a non-viable fetusaborting a fetus conceived in cases of incest or rape.stem cell research on embryo's General Abortion before the 14th week of gestationThings that should Not be legal:General abortion after the 14th week of gestation unless the life of the mother is in danger or the fetus is considered non-viable.Partial Birth Abortion in ANY form is an atrocity.Primarily unwanted pregnancy should be prevented. Unwanted or Inconvenient pregnancy should be carefully considered before termination, and 3 months is a long time for consideration. It is also less likely to cause emotional scarring and only 12% of abortions currently performed occur after the 12th week of gestation. Such laws would change very little in the way of statistics. But draw a clear line for both those who are pro life and those who are pro choice, that there must be a dividing line, Time for a woman to be free to choose what she wants to do with her own body and if she chooses not to terminate or fails to make a choice, time for her body to be home to the life she chose to risk creating within it."
"Well in my opinion I don't like abortion but what happens if the person got raped. The girl had no control over it. I don't like abortion but some girls get pregnant because they got raped."
"people get raped everyday and they still live out there life and continue on becuase you cant control the idiot who was being stupid and wanted to become a rapist all you can do is take pride in the gift that you have developed and you dont have to get it aborted why not adoption. abortion is murdering a live fetus a heart beat forms in about 3 weeks of the pregnancy."
"that si a valid point but still a baby is a baby and that's that. Abortion = Murder and that's wrong"
"It's a moral decision. Period. A woman becomes a victim in the worst way when she is raped. I can't even begin to imagine what that would feel like. I should think that knowing what it feels like to be victimized would prevent her from victimizing her unborn child but simple logic is lost on some."
"you really have to think of the situation. many people think right away, "no its wrong because your taking somenes life" that is true but then again what if the girl was raped or anything like that. so you really have to think before you make a statement"
""like you said what if the woman was raped; In that case, if she doesn't want it then why not give it for adoption instead of taking an innocent life away.""
"There are proper medical care so you won't get pregent - Abortion punshies an unboren child who commited NO crime!"
"I agree that in the case of rape, the baby can be aborted. But any other time is murder. Just because you can't hear the baby scream in pain doesn't mean it is right to murder it."
"yes well you need to think about when you want a baby a baby is a joyous thing"
"i am pro life because the life of a child begins the very second it is conceived."
""Con" people, do me a favor and have empathy for women."
""Anonymous" pro people, please do us all a favor and have empathy for the defenseless child.We can do this all day, "anonymous".Why not share something more meaty in the discussion and explain when you feel it would be wrong to terminate a pregnancy and why."
"yes because it is a human being and when a baby is killed it is harming the person that is having an abortion. it should be illegal because the baby is a baby its whole life including inside the womb"
"In a case where a woman properly used contraception she should be allowed an abortion. This choice is up to the MOTHER no one else should even be involved in her choice. I am a 17 year old girl and am sexually active. I use every contraceptive possible. Condoms, birth control, and pulling out. If I were to get pregnant, I would get an abortion. I have too much ahead of me to let an unwanted pregnancy ruin it. Did you know a woman is more like to die during child birth than a proper abortion?"
"Why wouldn't you allow abortion for women who did not use protection and did not want a child? Why wouldn't you allow women to skip the traditional contraceptives and just let them have an abortion as a form of contraception?I assume it's because you feel something about abortion is wrong? What? Sincerely curious."
"Absolutely, if one doesn't support abortion then they simply dont have to do it. This, however, does not mean that these pro-life people can take away the choice of others. At the end of the day, pro-life will always stand for anti-choice, which denies the entire structure that America was built upon. Leave religion out of the decision and you'll find abortion to be morally correct."
"if you get raped then it wasnt your fault and you shouldnt have a child that was un planned for and not wanted . You shouldnt bring a young one to suffer in this world when it is unnessesary. In conclusion UNDER CERTAIN circumstances abortion is needed."
"It should be legal(pro) because its the female(s) choice. The right to privacy does that not mean anything?"
"Do I have a right to kill someone as long as I do it in private?"
"no one should be punished for not wanting a baby. Contraceptives aren't 100% effective, and its better to provide safe abortions for women then to let them get botched ones. If a women doesn't want to have a baby and she gets pregnant, she will find any means necessary to get rid of it."
"This is one argument that I think isn't used enough for the pro-choice side.How did America come to be? We left Britain. Why did we leave Britain? Because they were being unfair over there and forcing everyone to practice the same religions and beliefs. We came here for the freedom to practice our own religions, believe in our own beliefs, and - from those - have our own morals.What is the purpose of the pro-life side? To force either their A) religion, B) beliefs, or C) morals onto other people. Isn't that exactly why we left Britain? So why are we allowing that to happen in our own country?There shouldn't be *any* laws on abortion. It is a private matter that should only be between a medical professional - who is the *only* authority on abortion - and a woman, the one who has to go through the procedure.I, personally, believe that an unborn child does not yet have a soul and, therefore, cannot be murdered. Who are you to tell me otherwise and force *your* beliefs onto me? How can you tell a woman who doesn't want to have a child that she has to be a hostage to a fetus inside of her? That's just not right and I don't see how our country can allow such a thing."
"CC would you have any issue with someone who believed you did not have a soul until you accepted their religion?Therefore, decapitating you was not an immoral act.Should we all just use our own measure of morality? Of course not. There has to be law and order. There are already laws against murder... for good reason. You do not disagree with that law do you?The debate on whether or not abortion should be legal is really a debate on when human life begins. You say we do not have a "soul" until we're born (you are putting religion into this discussion btw). Set that aside and share your thoughts on when you feel we become a human being and have rights the same as other human beings... and they can you explain why (this is the trickier part of course)."
"How do you have a "right" to life then? If a person shot you full of ketamine and eviscerated you, should anyone call them a murderer? I mean you wouldn't feel pain while it happened, and you wouldn't be aware or cognitive enough to realize you were being killed. So that should be allowed right? If you don't think so then how do you justify your right to life? And even if you have a decent explanation, it is not your right to tell your murderer that his morals are wrong. He should be allowed to kill you with this line of reasoning."
"Here's the overriding question I have for the antis: If a woman is determined to have an abortion and cannot be talked out of it, how do you physically stop them? Even locking them up will not prevent a person from causing a miscarriage if they are set on doing so. So then what? Strap them to a gurney for nine months? Force them to carry and deliver? Are we really prepared to go there?"
"Jason, you likely don't have many responses because the question is flawed. It sounds like you are saying since we cannot stop all abortions, even if made illegal, that taking a stance against abortion is wrong. I may be wrong about that, but that is how it seems.Can you clarify why you need to know how the world would stop someone from breaking a law that limits abortions? Why is this important to the debate of whether or not abortion is wrong (recall, that is what this debate is about).Theft is illegal and it continues. Same with murder and speeding.what is your point in the debate of whether or not abortion is good or bad? Can you explain why you ask and how it is important to this debate... then you might get more responses."
"A law student I am not, but in the premiss of abortion being illegal and a woman seeking abortion, a substantial amount of reasonable suspicion would have to be established for measures to be taken to prevent her murdering her unborn child. There are legal presidents that would be broached with these situations and great care would have to be taken to preserve peoples' rights but it is not something that is impossible to tackle. This is America, not Romania, the possibility of what you fear should be a non-issue with our constitution. If we make abortion legal will that stop all women from getting one? No, it will not. So should we just not worry about making abortion illegal because women will get them anyway? In my opinion no, we should still make it illegal. Laws should be a reflection of our ethics, and they should be consistently enforced without special reserve. And the most logical and consistent definition of when a person becomes a person is at conception, and that person has rights like everyone else that should be protected. Want to give a definition of when personhood begins? Be my guest. Just make sure it is scientifically and logically consistent by how all others are defined as persons."
"Jason, how would you stop anyone from doing something which is unethical? By teaching them about all sides of the issue with gentleness, love, persuasion, kindness. If that does not work then does that mean it's ok to let them continue to perform an act that is unethical or immoral? What if they are convinced they should commit suicide? The same arguments could be used to support that as well. Is that the line of reasoning you want to follow?The issue is, that you are supporting the claim that one person's right to persuit of happiness is more important than another person's right to life. There's a reason the founding father listed those rights in the order that they did."
"Please tell me what said measures would be. Remember, I'm asking for individual opinions from anti-abortion advocates. What in your mind would be reasonable measures to prevent a woman from getting an abortion if she is set on doing it? What constitutes "a reasonable amount of suspicion"? Does she simply have to say "I don't want to carry and deliver a pregnancy to term"? Does she have to be caught seeking abortion services by homicide detectives? And I have to ask again: If you lock her up, how to you stop her from forcing a miscarriage? I agree that our constitution doesn't allow us to strap her to a gurney for nine months, so what is the answer? So far, I see no way to do it."
"Well what do you know? Not a single response. Why, I wonder? The answer is that you have no answer that the public, even most anti-abortion activists, will accept. You know perfectly well that you cannot force someone to carry for nine months and then deliver. There is simply no way to do it. We have ways of preventing actual murder. We lock up violent people. We conduct psychiatric evaluations and take preventative measures if a person is believed to be a danger to themselves or others. This isn't possible when it comes to a woman who is determined to end an unwanted pregnancy. That is why "murder" cannot be applied to abortion."
"I'm pro, because it's the woman's right to choose. I actually love babies so just because I'm for abortion doesn't mean I hate them."
"It should not be a womans right to choose to asassinate the mst weakest and defenseless human being. It is not the womans body choices. Women don't have four arms and four legs when they're pregnant. Those extra appendages belong to the tiny human being(s) living inside of them. An individual's body parts all share the same genetic code. If the unborn child were actually a part of the mother's body, the unborn's cells would have the same genetic code as the cells of the mother. This is not the case. Every cell of the unborn's body is genetically distinct from every cell in the mother's body.In many cases, the blood type of the unborn child is different than the blood type of the mother. Since one body cannot function with two different blood types, this is clearly not the mother's blood."
"The unborn child isn't a part of you. It is a separate person. It isn't part of your body, it is something that body is in your"
"Have you actually read a description of what happens to the baby during an abortion? If so, I have a hard time understanding how you can claim to love babies and yet support abortion?"
"I'm a pro because it's there body, only if it was for ethical reasons such as baby having serious , mental , disabilit, handicap problems. If it was harming the mothers health, if she could not look after ANOTHER child or bring up a baby in poverty."
"I support abortion because its a woman's fundamental right given to them pursuant to Roe v Wade US Supreme Courtdecision. Abortion is an option when a woman's life is in danger in cases of rape and incest or if the mother life will be at risk. Another reason I support abortion is to control the population when poverty levels are high and there are not much resources for many women to raise a child. women need legal abortion services to prevent illegal abortion practices that could be at risk to the woman."
"so if part of your support of abortion is because of the current law, would you also support a ban on abortion of the law changed? Laws change, would your opinion change with it?When do you feel that the baby inside has it's own right to life? After birth? 1 min before birth? 1 month? When? I do sincerely want to know how you see it.Possibly you go by what RvW decided? This was a legal definition of a human being or a "person". "Person" is a legal term, not a scientific, philosophic, religious or common sense definition of what it means to be a human being.Viability is where I'd guess you feel we become our own human being as this is essentially what RvW was based on. But what happens if the age of viability changes over time? Advancements in the medical field have allowed us to lower that age of viability far sooner in life than a century 1/2 a century ago. Were the children conceived in 1900 somehow magically becoming human later than one born in 2000? This obviously cannot be.RvW gave a legal definition, it is a very poor means of defining humanity.I would sincerely like to know when you feel we become a new human being and have a right to "life" that is promised in our constitution."
"Yes abortion should be legal. It is a woman's life and uterus and forcing her to go through the misery of an unwanted pregnancy is wrong. Forcing her to go through a pregnancy she doesn't want isn't going to make her love the child and it isn't going to make her stop doing activities that could damage the fetus."
"I find these pro life, or antis as I call them, extremely comical with their viewpoints, and again, they don't understand that being pro-choice means IN FAVOR OF CHOICE, but ther ignorance and stupidity is higly amusing. They love to see poverty due to overpopulation, and increasing on interpol, the FBI and jail, especially when their taxes go to pay for the lifers, or death row inmates. Yeah, isn't it great that they want that, or their taxes going up, because there are too many people, and not enough jobs, and the kids resort to crime? Yeah, antis LOVE that, don't you, antis? You just don't want to admit it. We pros have the right idea, and you people just can't handle it, or deal with it. Amazing, and unbelievable, right?So, I say onto the antis with pride: More abortions, MORE ABORTIONS. Deal with it!!! End of story"
"OMFG I LOVED HOW YOU WERE SAYING MORE ABORTIONS MORE ABORTIONS!!!!! LOL :D YOU GO GIRL!!!!!! KEEP EM COMIN!!!!!"
"I will tell you why I am pro-abortion. I was pressured by my religious nut mother to get out and date but told I would be disowned if I ever got pregnant. I got pregnant, ran away from home to have the baby and threw her up for adoption when she was a few days old in 1965 before I had a choice. I've been tortured all my life, and in recent years I tried to find her. I did find not her but info on her. She died at only 45. She killed herself. She had been in prison, had been in therapy, had been expelled from school for cheating, had a bankruptcy on her record, had never married, had never had children, had made many suicide attempts until she succeeded. I found some of her rants online. She killed herself because she was adopted and read in books like Primal Wound there was a direct connection between her misery and being adopted. She said she felt dead and empty inside, she wished she had been aborted since religious folks say aborted babies go to Heaven and she was probably going to Hell now because she had tried in life and screwed up, working hard in the wrong directions because she did not know where she came from. I feel like I murdered her by throwing her up for adoption, cutting her away from her roots like a dead tree."
"I was adopted when I was four. Before that, I had lived with my abusive, drug addicted, alcoholic mother. She was only eighteen when she had me. The situation she was in is a perfect situation to justify an abortion. I am eternally grateful for her not aborting me. It is crazy to think that I easily could have never existed. I sympathize with you and cannot imagine having to discover that. But I commend you in that you did not give in and you kept your precious daughter. Her life could not have been 100% bad. At least she had the choice-the free will to live. You gave her that choice! I have certainly struggled in life with why my mother didn't want me or why I had to have been born and gone through the situations I have gone through. Yet I would not trade my life for anything. This is why I am pro-life. Everyone should have the chance to live. You did not murder her by throwing her up for adoption. Her own life took her down that path, not you. Don't beat yourself up over it. You did the right thing."
"It aint your fault. She was a victim of a broken mental healthcare system, not you. The grass is always greener on the other side, it seems. I hope you are doing well."
"Because anti-abortion is not about about murdering a child. It's about punishment and I don't believe in punishing someone for living their life. I also believe that a woman's body should be regarded like a man's body. we should be allowed to make a choice about what's best for us and our lives."
"The ignorance behind the "con" arguments makes me really sad. Pro-choice is exactly what is says. Pro CHOICE. Not pro-abortion. No one is pro-abortion. It's almost as if people think the woman's life doesn't matter. If bacteria doesn't qualify as life then how can a single-celled fetus? Death of the mother in childbirth is on the rise. And at this point in my life, if I got pregnant, I would have an abortion. I'm a college senior, totally broke, and could not care for a child. Maybe my boyfriend and his ex didn't feel the same way when they had their son, despite having used multiple forms of birth control, but they had the choice. His ex had the choice. And it is her right to. And later in my life, I'd rather adopt than have my own child. There are already way too many kids in the system. I could go on and on about this forever, but the point is don't go jumping to assumptions and conclusions and making rash blanket decisions that affect thousands of living people. Don't just say "O but thatz rong cuz its killin a babies!" That's horribly disrespectful to those who thought long and hard about a choice they had the right to make. And please, keep religion out of the U.S. constitutional arena."
"Bacteria does qualify as life, you're thinking viruses. As for death of the mother in childbirth on the rise, you're absolutely true of that. Between 1913 and 1977 the mother's death rate dropped from 1 in 100 births to 10 in 100,000. But from 1977 to 2013 the statistics rose to 13 in 100,000. The reason for this mainly has to do with obesity (it appears to be the cause of every problem in America), age (women are putting off childbirth until settled in their careers. Some put off childbirth untill their forties and doctors have noticed higher blood pressure and health problems involved), and lastly mistakes with caesarean sections (Because even doctors make mistakes). (I got this information from an NBC article, bing it.) I agree with you, let's keep religion out of the debate. From the moment the sperm meets the egg, a unique being is created with genetics no other person has. This being is not fully developed from our point of view, just as a child is not fully developed from an adult's point of view. When out of the womb it has no memories of the womb just as an Alzheimer's patient has his or her difficulties with memory. You're right. It is easy to jump to conclusions that affect thousands of people when you cannot see them."
"Abortion should be legal in America due to such cases as poverty, overpopulation, financial crises, rape cases, or even death. Yes rape cases are only one percent but think about it. We should not based everything on religion, we should balanced both religious views and facts before we come to a conclusion about whether or not women should have an abortion. In religious view, it is wrong to kill someone, but the truth is, according to the facts the fetus is not considered a human yet at the first week of conception. If you took life science and covered it, it is considered a zygote and not human, it does not have any features yet and does not have a heart of anything because it is still developing and it takes time for it to become human. All in all, we do not have the right to decided whether or not a person could have an abortion, the same as same sex marriage. We are not god, we are not superior, we can't decide of people, they have to decide of themselves."
"We are not basing pro-life beliefs just on religion. If we look at things from a scientific position, at the moment of conception an individual is created with genetics that no other individual has. A zygote is still human. The cells are human cells even if it doesn't look that way. It's not its own species."
"There are woman out there who try to prevent pregnacy and end up pregnan regardlesst. A woman should have a right to what happends to her body. Yes, the child is its own being but being totaly dependent on the mother, I feel the woman should have the choice if she wants to deal with a pregnacy or abort the child. "
"Lily: An abortion is a responsible decision and response to a pregnancy. It isn't "avoiding consequences" at all, but a responsible option. 9 months is a long time to ask someone to donate their body and change their lifestyle. Being pregnant is hard on a body and a person, and not something everyone wants to do. Pregnancy requires a woman to give nutrients and oxygen to the baby, and avoid certain activities and foods. It is insulting to say that a woman is worth so little, that she should be required to give her health, wellbeing, and energy to another against her will. It always astonishes me when abortion stories are told with conditions like "she already has four children who need her" or "her ill mom will suffer while she is on bed rest." Why must a woman always be taking care of another human being? Also valid reasons are things like "She has a fulfilling job that contributes to society and she won't be able to reach her full potential having a baby right now" or "She is in college studying to become a professional." Women have value above and beyond being a uterus, and no one else (you, me, a patient needing a kidney, or a fetus) has a right to her body and health without her permission regardless of her reasons."
"Seriously? Deal with a pregnancy? So mistakes shouldn't have consequences? If birth control fails, oops, have the baby and learn from your mistake and change your birth control methods. 9 months is all it takes to offer someone the chance at life. Adopt out."
"It should be allowed because 1. a woman is entitled to abortion rights 2. Right to an abortion is guarenteed under law thanks to Roe v. Wade 3. In many cases, abortions have been medically necessary to preserve the life of the mother 4. Not all mothers are mentally capable of carrying their pregnancy to term (I once knew a girl who found out she was pregnant a week after starting therapy to combat her eating disorder. Knowing she would not be able to handle changes to her body, she got an abortion) 5. In the case of rapeBottom line: no old white protestant male is allowed to tell be what I can and can not do with my body. I deserve reproductive rights as a woman, and the pro life movement has no right taking these rights away from me and other women."
"So if old white protestant males can't tell you what to do, can young Hispanic catholic women tell you what to do? I don't expect an answer. I'm only asking this because you are continuing a stereotype of the pro-life movement.Yes, abortion is legal due to Roe v. Wade, but that doesn't mean we can't protest a morally wrong law to have it changed. Laws aren't always right. At one time in this nation's history laws were set to discriminate against people of color."
"What gives you the right to take "what I can and can not do with my body" from an unborn child? Yes there are circumstances where an abortion is needed due to mother's and child's health. But your "what I can and can not do with my body" sounds like a 5 year old throwing a fit because they didn't get what they wanted."
"Yes. The Supreme Court validated a woman's right to choose. It's as simple as that."
"Laws can be changed, Alan. So if the pro-life folks have their way and the law is changed, you'd be cool with that?Just checking where your stance comes from. If based on 'current' law, then your stance will change one day.Is there anything more concrete that you base your position on?"
"The Supreme Court also justified the spread of slavery and that African Americans were not citizens with the case Dred Scott v. Sanford. Laws can always change when people expand their minds."
"It's your right to choose to have an abortion, there are more positives to abortion the negatives."
"Hitler could probably list a bunch of positives for all the killing he did. So could Mao Tse Tung.Having a list of "good reasons to kill those other people" is really not very much after all.Sorry, Barney, I don't want to see a list from Amy. I'd rather she explain how abortion is not the killing of an innocent human being."
"Please list the positives. I am intrigued to learn more."
"It is no one's right to tell anyone else what they can do with their bodies. Not your job. Pregnancy isn't punishment. My body, not yours."
"Abortion should remain legal under the roe vs wade decision, and follow the limitations laid down by that ruling and further rulings. There is no scientific reasoning to say that "a" human being begins at conception .. sure there is life, but life that is no different to any other cell in the human body.The fundamental argument of the anti-choice campaign is primarily religious based, again a premise that has no logical foundation in scientific fact. Should we therefore base laws on unproven theology, as apposed to proven science. Point of fact, prior to the formation of the embryo all the cells are the same, yet some will become the embryo, others will become the placenta, if, as anti-choicers insist, that "a" human being starts at conception does this not mean that the cells that become the placenta are also worthy of human rights and should be protected? Clearly that idea would be inane even to the anti-choice people.Moralistic arguments have little value in this debate given that morals are fluid and a likely to change through societies developments. The stoning of non-believers was considered morally just in Jesus's time, is that still correct?"
""no different from any other cell in the human body"This is completely untrue. There is NO OTHER cell like the fertilized egg in the human body. It is alone in its qualities.If not terminated the zygote will grow into a full adult human. No other cell can do this. Your statement is completely false.The pro-life stance IS NOT religious based. No religion is required since Science, Philosophy and Common Sense all already agree that it is a human being. You have nothing contrary to what Science, Philosophy and Common Sense tell us.. let alone Religion. We can base a law on science, philosophy and common sense... all very good alone.When RvW is overturned, I wonder if you'll honor the law as you say you wish for now?"
"It is the right of a woman and the government shouldn't have anything to do with it. There is too many teen pregnancies and single mothers struggling to get by. When you have a kid, it should be because you want to not because you have to; no kid deserves to grow up thinking that he/she is what ruined the mother's life."
"If the only reason the mother has an abortion is because they don't want the child... why not adopt out? Not all children that are adopted out feel neglected. Shouldn't the child have a chance to overcome the obstacles of life?"
"Well first, Teen's should be more careful and you can always adopt out. You shouldnt just murder the baby because, you dont want it. that is plain wrong. and i was adopted and i am perfectly happy with my life."
"We know with 100% certainty that women are alive. Women have heartbeats and a brain that functions. As far as the fetus is concerned, when life begins is completely irrelevant. We do not require anyone else in society to be an obligate donor. No one is required to donate blood, marrow, or a kidney to anyone else, even their own child. Pregnancy is risky. 1 in 4800 women in the US die of pregnancy complications, and that is just the number that die. May more suffer complications, some minor such as losing the ability to control one's bowels, and some major, such as eclampsia. No one should be required to give their health, wellbeing, or life to another. That is a personal choice that must be given, not taken. Women have the right to control their health, wellbeing, and women have the right to protect their lives. Abortion protects this right."
"Charlie: I found the numbers. According to the Women's Center 0.6 per 100 000 abortion procedures result in death. So that is significantly safer than pregnancy."
"Charlie: Abortion is much much less risky than pregnancy. Please do look up the numbers. I believe the numbers right now are that over 85% of abortions in the US are in the first trimester, and first trimester abortions have a less than 1% major complication rate, and even those major complications dwarf the major complications associated with pregnancy.I actually know several woman who have gotten abortions, and none of them had any complication at all. However, I do know many women who have suffered seriously due to their pregnancy including an acquaintance who is now on permanent disability due to injuries as a result of her pregnancy."
"You do know that abortion can result in a lot of health complications right even when preformed by a doctor."
"I find it interesting that prolifers will fight tooth and nail to keep an unborn child from dying, yet turn a blind eye to whaling and deforestation. Is humanity really worth more than the beauty of nature? Once that's gone, it can never come back, but from what I've heard, they don't care as long as their beliefs aren't compromised."
"Alex, to your question - Is humanity more important than nature.Yes, humans are more important than nature. If you need further explanation, just ask. But it might be more efficient if you could list why you feel nature is more important than mankind.Astounding that this is even asked, but there really are no dumb questions in a debate."
"And who will put a stop to deforestation and whaling in the future?"
"Ignore if my above comment shows (I am experiencing some lag.)I find it interesting how you vaule a beautiful landscape over humanity. I have nothing against environmentals, but when people become more passioned about saving a tree over a human life, that is when I get worried. I am against whaling as well, but my feelings against the murdering of a human are much stronger."
"I am for abortion because every woman has a different reason for terminating a birth and that is the mother's decision, not the law's."
"Women deserve the right to control their own bodies. The fact that people think they can tell women what to do with their bodies is bordering on totalitarianism. Also, to the people who are pro-life, you actually believe that if a young girl gets raped she should have her life ruined by being forced to have a child? If abortion's are not legal, it won't make people stop getting them. It will simply make them resort to other methods because they are desperate. Dangerous and illegal surgeries, pushing themselves down stairs, and many other horrible methods would be the result. To the Christians who insist that it goes against the Bible, you should study up because no where in the Bible does it ever say abortion should not be allowed or anything even nearly related. Abortion is the choice of the woman and in many cases is best- why bring unwanted children into the world, most of whom will just be put up for adoption and spend their childhoods in facilities? Just like the food you eat and clothes you wear are YOUR choices, to have or not have a child is their choice. Who are you to say otherwise?"
"I am 100% prochoice. Pregnancy can be very traumatic. Slavery is supposed to be illegal, so support a woman's right to choose what happens to her body."
"Amy: Pregnancy is risky, and giving up 9 months of ones life is not as trivial as you make it sound. We do not even require people to be organ donors after they die and have no use for them, but a woman is using her blood, organs, and life. 1 in 4800 women in the US (1 in 7 where there is less medical care) die from pregnancy complications, and many more suffer serious health issues. You make it sound like being pregnant is a small event. You are talking about a condition requiring medical care (minimally a midwife). No one should be required to do this unless they really want to. I am seriously confused by your selfish response stating that some women should be incubators because other women aren't lucky enough to be able to have children."
"Brandon: Having sex does not equate to a decision to get pregnant in the same way that driving a car does not equate to a decision to get in a car accident or cooking dinner does not equate with a decision to burn oneself. Sex is a normal part of a healthy relationship and brings a couple closer together and having sex can be a decision about being intimate, not about making a baby.Amy: You would probably call someone crazy if they started telling you that you needed to think about all of the people dying because they don't have access to blood or a kidney, and how selfish you were to not donate blood or a kidney. That is how you sound insisting that a woman donate her body for the presumed (not even proven) life of a fetus. Women are not incubators and a women's body, health, life, and wellbeing are valuable. We do not require anyone else to be an obligate donor and it is not only hypocritical, but illogical to force this on women."
"And what about the person inside of her. What happens to this person's choice?"
"It is a woman's choice to have sex and become pregnant. Unless she was raped but that is not the case in about 99% of abortions."
"Amy: Thank you for admitting that you give more rights to a dead body than to a live woman. I didn't realize that it would be such a problem to decide which DEAD body should donate organs they weren't using, however. Thousands of people die each year waiting for organs, and if all life is really valuable the pro-life people should be trying to find a way to solve this issue. Women, however, are still using their bodies. So it seems and easy choice to me to let her decide whether or not she wants to be an obligate donor. Abortion protects this right. Abortion also prevents forced pregnancy (which is what you propose). Forcing a woman to maintain a pregnancy just so a couple can adopt a baby IS selfish. There are TONS of children out there who need homes! I honestly felt very selfish just wanting a biological child of my own knowing how many children are being moved from foster home to foster home without anyone who wants to adopt them."
"I'm sorry, dyfts, you misunderstand my comment. I was referring to adoption. I didn't realize it was selfish to mention that there is an alternative to abortion, but we all have our opinions. Hope that clears things up. Meanwhile, on the issue of pregnancy deaths, most deaths are caused by complications that could have been avoided such as obesity. Now, since we will be paying for everyone's healthcare I hope the government takes steps to combat obesity. The second reason these deaths occur is due to poor access to health care. Fortunately, there is a universal mandate now and hopefully American deaths will decrease to the averages of other industrial nations. Lastly, the reason why people don't have to give up organs is because of the legal complications it would create. For example, there are many possible bone donor matches for a patient. How would you decide who has to donate?"
"Actually, dyfts, I would not call people that told me that crazy. I believe there is a huge demand for blood and organs and I wish more people would sign up to be an organ donor. I am not insisting that a woman donate her life to the fetus. The human exists within her. It is an undeveloped being that will not be fully developed for at least the next twenty years, but the woman only needs to carry it for less than a 1/20th of that time. Then the baby is out. She doesn't have to take responsibility for it. She doesn't have to feed it, teach it, or love it even. Someone else can do that. She's alive and the baby is alive. All pro-lifers want is for that human to have a chance at life. If the mother doesn't want it, then we want it. Not all of us are lucky and can have children."
"it is a woman's right to choose abortion is a "fundamental rightsperson-hood begins at birth,not at conception"
"So by that definition then a mother could abort her child at 8 or 9 months because technically it's not a person?"
"Beginning at conception, every pregnancy involves two or more bodies. It is not a woman's choice nor body to have an abortion and assassinate a child. A mother and a child have different genetic codes. Every individual has their own genetic code, meaning every cell of the unborn child is different than the mother's cells. In most cases, the mother and child have different blood types, so the mother's blood is not the child's blood. The sex of the child is different than the mother if male, meaning the child's body is not the mother's. It is possible for the fetus to die and the mother to stay alive and it is possible for the mother to die and the fetus to live. Another example of why a mother and an unborn child can not be one person."
"why does it always have to be half and half here where is the middle ground.don't you consider that there are different situations surrounding every case. if your about to go into labor and want and abortion that makes zero sense. while getting one in the beginning months is painless to the fetus they won't be aware of it in the first place. in most cases abortions should be legal espicailly if they endanger the life of the mother. I also believe that if the mother chooses abortion for a non medical reason that is her choice.the fetus is hardly aware of anything to be honest and when I was a baby I had no memory of that time period rarely anyone does.really its not our concern what happens to the fetus until its born. also abortion doesn't happen only in our species it happens with other mammals like fish naturally.even the human body in its own way has millions of abortions. do you realize how hard it is for a zygote to be formed much less pass through the immune system undected and make it to the uterus without being attacked by white blood cells!!!???90 percent of time the body will attack the egg before it can even result in pregency or it will die.plus the body miscarries to. abortion is actually a natural process that happen"
"So if someone is unaware of their surroundings or does not have a good memory then it is alright to get rid of them? Is this how we measure life: intelligence? What about mentally retarded people or older people suffering from alzheimers? Is their right to life dismissed because they are not as mentally aware as you or I? The debate is not over natural abortion, it is over intended abortion. Death is natural and inevitable too, but that does not mean people should put themselves in dangerous situations."
"Approximately 219 women die worldwide each day from an unsafe abortion. I think we should focus on this fact more than why women get abortions(that is there own private business). There are women dying out there because they don't want to let there unborn child suffer because they are incapable of taking care of it. Isn't that saying something about them, that they really need this. Also, in one of the cons it stated that "The majority of reasons why women get abortions are selfish", isn't it selfless to care more about if your unborn child is going to suffer than if you are going to live. Those people who agree with out-lawing abortion, you are putting the lives of unborn children ahead or the lives of living breathing American women because whether or not you out-law it it is going to happen anyway because it is a necessity."
"I think there is a point that has been undermined lately within this controversy. That point is that the decision to get an abortion is not in any way shape or form easy for a women. It isn't just another daily question going through their head it is a big life decision. A women never gets an abortion because she wants to, she does it because she has to. It is never a selfish decision it is for the good of the unborn chid. I would rather let someone have an abortion than let a child suffer because the mother was not able to provide for him/her from the beginning."
"@AmyRichard:1) Welfare, WIC, and all those other options you listed don't always provide everything necessary for a child. My brother had a child with one of his exes and was able to take care of her on his salary because he had a good job. He then got with my best friend and she got pregnant. While she was pregnant, he lost his job. She couldn't work by order of her doctor and he was having a hard time finding a job. They applied for welfare, but the office kept finding excuses to put off giving them any money. She had the baby and they finally got welfare - a whopping 40 bucks. She had WIC, too, and that got the children food, but my bro and sis-in-law had to go without a lot. They couldn't afford gas to get to work, so my parents and I gave them money, but only to take care of the babies. They are now having a third child. They still get $40 in welfare and WIC. They also both work 2 jobs, but that still isn't cutting it. My brother even broke the news of the new baby to my mom with this: "By the way, mom, we're having another baby, but don't worry, we can take care of it! Oh, and can I have 20 bucks?" We don't know how they'll make it now.Also, you still have to pay for medical bills if you give the baby up for adoption."
"I will first make the assumption that your comment refers to women in first world countries. If that is so then why would the child suffer when there is welfare, free health care, wic, and other programs? As well as that there is the choice of adoption. If the mother is not able to provide for her child then she could seek out government help or if she does not want the child then she could give the child to someone who does. There are many infertile couples, gay couples, and single parents who are looking to start a family. To choose to be ignorant of these other choices is not protecting a child from suffering but justifying murder."
"If you don't like abortion don't get one. If it conflicts with your personal opinions, morals, religion, etc, don't get one.Why should I be subjected to your personal morals? A religious belief I do not share?"
"Why should any of us then be subjected to personal morals such as thievery and murder are bad? This is not an issue on personal morals though. Pro-lifers view each fetus as an individual human. They are arguing for their right to life, not for personal morals. This is not a debate over what drugs one chooses to consumes or behaviors one chooses to act on. This is a debate over life and death."
"Right back 'atcha. You believe that abortion is a personal matter, and that the State "ought" not interfere. I'm sorry, pal, but that's a personal, moral belief. Why should any of us be subjected to *your* personal morals, either?"
"This topic I feel is a moral issue. I think that abortion should be legal. Do you know how many eff'd up parents out there can't take care of their kids? By taking away the right to abortion you are just throwing more kids into the Foster Care system and basically giving tax payer's the financial responsibility of these kids because their mommy's and daddy's were only sixteen and didn't use protection or they chose drugs over the kids or the couldn't support them financially. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't our country already on the verge of financial collapse? And you want to take away abortion so that tax payer's can take care of these kids? Uhm yeah...no."
""Another reason why women get abortions is because maybe broken condom or maybe some people think until they hear a heartbeat is when they are alive it isn't a baby because it isn't fully developed, many people wont agree but if you don't have a heart beat is just like saying you have no heart so you cant feel anything you aren't alive yet and also you shouldn't judge people on what they believe it's discrimination if they want to abort let them"
"It is a proven fact though that the fetus has a heartbeat and can feel pain at 5 weeks of age. I'm not judging you I just dint agree with your statement."
"im for abortion women should be able to choose what they want or not and yes it is terminating something but its done when the baby is still an embryo its murder when it becomes a fetus and people should be able to have options and regardless if there are people waiting to get children that are adopting if the woman doesnt want to carry the child and give it away she dosent have to she should be able to decide and so what she wants"
"Dude. There is such thing as a mistake and second chances. And what if your really poor, or alcoholic, or a drug adict. BOOM. Just blew your minds."
"Dude. There is such a thing as LIFE and INNOCENT. And what if you found a solution; Adoption, Family members will be willing enough to take the child, stop doing bad things and teach your kids that being an Alcoholic or Drug Addict is bad."
"Lets say you get pregnet and your in lets say high or middle school whould you rather have the choise to continue your education or live with a baby and you could never get a good job to support that child because you never finished high school that child will suffer. It's better to have the child die while its not capable to think insted of have to live with the fact that your mother GAVE YOU UP. Stay out of other peoples lifes. It is the WOMANS body, HER choice NOT YOURS get over it. If your not happy with the fact that SHE wanted to kill her baby that WAS NOT born then keep your mouth shut. It's HER baby deal with it."
"Abortion is a womans choice and not the governments nobody should have control of what a woman chooses to do with her body. I noticed in the comments that people say its killing a baby but this FETUS does not feel any pain until about 20 weeks after conception and after that 20 weeks you are legally not able to have an abortion. The fetus feels no pain"
"So self-mutilation should be alright, too? (Currently it's still illegal in a couple states) So as long as there's no pain involved, that justifies it? I hope you aren't against euthanization of the elderly, or lethal injection. Supposedly there's no pain involved with those, either."
"Abortion and reproductive freedom more broadly defined are important pieces of ensuring this common dream. To obtain a better future, we each must be free to make profoundly personal decisions about our reproductive lives without unwarranted government intrusion. An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn). A child may ruin a woman's career or her daily life. Of course, some women don't have the time to take care of a child. Sometimes the woman is not ready for a child yet."
"I'm vet much afraid of our government having that kind if control over people. Not so much the abortion itself but to outlaw a certain procedure because some believe it is morally objectionable. To cite a more direct problem; the "life begins at conception law." To pass this law would also outlaw IVF treatments. Would you deny women the ability to have a child too?? Because IVF conceives multiple embryos yet only implants a few. You can choose to freeze others but some are invariably tossed at the eight cell stage because of lack of growth. If life begins at conception then this is also considered murder. And lastly, if pro-lifers want to fix a problem then be part of the solution. Adopt a child instead if popping out more children if your own if you feel so strongly about the issue."
"yes ,abortion is a personal choice, i do not need some one else to tell me what to do with an unwanted kid do to many different reasons, again everything is based on people religion,you have to do what they like and you cannot make your own decision?"
"Is it really taking a life by having an abortion. Life in my opinion is being able to live or sustain life independently. Is a person who is brain dead,hooked up to a ventolator, and has a feeding tube alive. How about just taking the baby out of the mother prematurely, if it lives then it has a chance at life, if not than it was really never truly alive. Women should not be forced to give birth. I feel it is extremely intrusive and distasteful to even presume to get involved in trying to control somebody's body. Last time I checked just because something isn't legal also doesn't mean it wont be done. All that will happen is many women will die or have complications while trying to have an illegal abortion."
"What do other's have a say in a woman's body? It's her choice to make for herself, not yours, mind you're own business Im not saying the CONS are wronge, its ok to feel that way but let them do "wrong" What if a 12 year old girl got raped? Would you just let her go through all that pain? Let the baby suffer knowing it was unwanted and never know it's fahter and be in an adoption center? NO. If if your christain and say tho shall not kil cuz ur all religous, that totally ok, but look up the crusades! Muslims, Jews,and Christains kill too! So believe what YOU want to"
""All religious"??? "Muslims, Jews, and Chrisitans kill"... okay, but does that make killing justified? "Religious" and moral views are ALWAYS involved, almost by definition, in discussing such matters. You say it is the woman's body, and the State "ought" not to interfere. That's a moral point of view, pal. If you're an atheist, it would be like me saying that atheists such as Stalin, Pol Pot, and the like, have interfered with the rights of people, (including, no doubt, their bodily rights ie their right to life) and therefore it is illogical to now want to protect a woman's right to her own body. It's just as (il)logical."
"I am pro on this subject because people could just have unsafe abortions and that would be harming more than one life. (The mothers and the fetuses)."
"I was raised by a single abusive male figure and always wished I had never been born. I was so desperate to be loved that I wasted 10 years on a man who ended up stalking me and then raping me after using my computer to find a ring for a girl he cheated with. I believe in using birth control so that no unwanted child is conceived...although every possible resource must be available to women to avoid unwanted children. There are already more than 7 billion people in this world, which cannot sustain this many people. We have to stop bringing more children into this world. Every night I go to sleep, I pray that I will not wake up. I have never been loved; although I have loved. But my mother is the only person I hate. I wish she had used birth control."
"no matter how many times your male figure raised your hand to you just remain strong pray to wake up because there is someone out there who is looking for you , to love you so that if one day you do die they will want to take the journey to heaven with you and you can watch that abusive man BURN IN HELL!!!!!"
"People should do what they want! They shouldn't be stopped to do what they choose, that takes away from the first amendment: Freedom Of Choice!! Let women do what they want instead of taking away from their rights"
"A fetus does not have the capability to feel pain and suffering which renders the whole inhumanity part obsolete. The fetus also has no ability whatsoever to do ANYTHING for that matter, and shouldn't be granted legal rights. Judging by the fact that the fetus has no way of doing anything to show that there are reasonable enough grounds not to have the abortion whereas the mother does, she should have the right to abort a fetus (not a 9 month old baby)."
"Abortion is a very important medical procedure. Say if the child has been proven it will be born with a terminal illness that will make it suffer to do anything in life. Such as the one skin condition the one man had where it bruised his skin with any contact against practically anything. And it practically fell off once. He passed away in his mid 20's. If I had a illness like that I would rather be aborted thank you.Plus, if a woman is the victim of rape, then she very well might need to get a abortion. I would not want to have the child of a rapist. And I doubt you would either. Plus it is not really a child yet, they have a word for what it is called and that is a fetus. Plus it is not exactly murder because it really is not exactly alive. Wouldn't be if it was not for its mother. And its not really your decision if some random women you don't know has a abortion or not. It doesn't really affect you. I read some comments on con, most of them where only opinions on why its "WRONG" one of them said that "Abortion is murder, thats it" which is such a arrogant comment I find. Sadly it has a high rating. Found this because of a persuasive essay I am writing. I am 16 years old, I wonder what the general age of this page is."
"I'd agree with you, if the diagnostics methods were more accurate. Sadly, they aren't. My friend's mom is pro-life. Guess what my friend was diagnosed with? Down syndrome. When his mom told me that story, I face-palmed."
"Abortion should be made available to anyone who deems the choice necessary. It is a decision to be made by the female and anyone they wish to include, not people who will never met the person or the possible child or aid in its upbringing. If you want less abortions, the answer isn't to outlaw them: people will still get them, whether it be in alleyways or in other unsanitary and unsafe conditions. The solution is to make aid for those who have these children more accessible, to make contraceptives easier to acquire, and to improve the adoption and foster care systems. If I don't want to raise this child, why would I subject them to possible suffering? We're going about this the wrong way."
"Condoms can break, People can forget to use pills, and really? killing a toddler is not the same as killing an unborn child. The child is not alive yet, and it can't feel pain, it has no emotions. If you can support the child, then you shouldn't kill it, but if you can't, or you got raped, then you should take an abortion"
"Yes because what if you are a teenager and cannot afford it or what if you were rapped or what if you cannot afford it. I think women should have the right to make this choice"
"one word: ADOPTION!"
"Abortion is much more than a woman's right to be free from an unwanted child. It is an unborn child's right NOT be born into a miserable life of poverty and abuse. "Right to life" and "right to a good life" are two entirely different things. Very few unwanted children forced to be born ever get a good life . ( If I were an unwanted child I would much rather be aborted than abused.)"
"Man, you almost sound like something I said, but I am so glad, seriously that someone put it even better than I did. I agree, they can be born into a life of poverty, and abuse, either at the hands of a parent, or the hands of a religious authority figure, or a teacher, or someone off the street. Abortions prevent that from happening. Misery also, because of a stigma, such as being born handicapped or with the name of someone who is very hated, or the result of rape/incest, or an accident, that can have alot of consequences on a child that can scarr them for life.I agree with your last statement. Right to a good life and life are two different things. Also, being born disabled, or being the victim of bullying for various reasons, kids wished that they were aborted, so I would agree with you. You made some very awesome statements on here, as far as this topic goes.We need more people like you on the pro side."
"It should be a legal because women around the world should have a right to have a abortion or not.some of the women all around the world gets a abortion for they can live life better."
"I think abortion should be legal because people should have some place to send there child that they can't take care of"
"abortion should be legal..adoption is not that easy way. if someone gives birth to an unwanted baby to keep it away from herself for adoption thinking that it has life then, why does she need to do that? why does she need to keep that baby for nine months?? After all. that baby will not get his real parent..So, it is good to do abortion as early as possible before it is developed and matured inside a mother. i am saying this coz everybody's putting adoption at the front of everything which is not a good way and for the child's whole life.."
"well, there are plenty of women out there who have love towards unborn babies and many who think about their lives and the problems they along with their babies have to face. But, what if the parent has some kinda life-threatening disease like cancer which can ruin the newly born baby's life. Isn't it better to abort that child rather than bringing him to world where he will have to face only difficulties and problems?"
"I believe that abortion should be a woman's choice and is it really murder if it hasn't known life yet. Until it comes out of the womb, i consider it a fetus no matter how much growth it has. What's a few lives lesser in this world? Just look at china, their population is uncontrollably enormous. All I'm saying is if you want ur baby out you can have it out. GET RELIGION OUT OF MY LIFE AND FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY VAGINA!!!!!"
"I'm pro because this arguement branches from stem cell research or vice versa. All of those who believe in religion, please listen. It's okay to peg a person to a cross and write in a mass produced book about it, yet if one NEWBORN dies to help save generations, it's a bad thing? It's generally a compliment to the bible, if I were you I would be proud to know we have this research. Not horrified at what science has become. So swallow your pride and realize how much of a hypocrite you sound like when you say "We shouldn't have stem cell research. Jesus wouldn't approve." But he approves of being nailed to a piece of wood? It really makes you think."
"@Victor: As far as being a historical person, Jesus existed, and was executed on a cross. A lot of the claims about him cannot be proven objectively, but that doesn't disprove his existence.@Anonymous:"All of those who believe in religion, please listen."Christianity isn't the only religion.If I remember correctly, Jesus claimed to be dying for the world, and he had many chances to escape his death, so he chose it.A defenseless newborn can hardly be said to have had that kind of say in the matter."
"Number one, who cares about the so-called jesus. It never existed, just something people saw who have alot of mental illnesses, or addiction to ahllucinagenic drugs. Number 2, stem cells can be beneficial. So, a baby has to be aborted. Big deal. I love abortions, because that means one less scumbag to inhabit this earth. As far as newborns dying to help a generation, that is a good thing, especially since it means one less burden on the government or families. Ask single mothers who regret having a kid.As far as abortions go, I am happy they happen, especially since it will decrease the antis, and non fans of mine by at least who knows how much, and one less burden on my taxes when they wind up wearing an orange suit, or live on disability, because they either don't want to work, or because of something genetic.Good point on the stem cells."
"@kkkYes. :) Just kidding; but I'd go up for it if my cells were worth anything to the research anymore."
"would you put your kid up for stem cell research?"
"i believe abortion should be legal in all states because you can get raped and you should have the choice to get rid of it if you want ."
"I like the way you think, treasure nnadi. I love it when people agree with abortion, especially since this world is getting too overcrowded, and we need more extreme version of birth control. So, a few babies die Big deal, one less criminal running down the street, and one less non fan of mine, which makes me happier, especially since I never have to meet them.I really respect your opinion on this, and the antis are the reason for abortions, especially with all the thumbs down they give us. I say we need more of them, and to the one person who told me they commited suicide over abortions, hey, if I could, I'd encourage it for them, especially since they don't buy my products, or do a tribute to me, so they die, and I smile. End of story on my part."
"Well, JDH, as far as that goes, no, I am not compensating for anything, unlike yourself, who apparently loves nwhat I say, based on your responses, like you told other people, you are expressing your viewpoints, I am doing that as well. I do makes jokes about it, but that is what I do. I don't care very much if people have them one way or the other. I am pro-abortion, like you are pro-life. I am just participating in the conversation. And to respond to your previous comments about women having the choice to have one, I am all for it. I love the idea of someone having an abortion, and if they choose to do it, so be it. I am just expressing my viewpoint, as nyou are expressing yours. And by your response, with very few exceptions, you seem to have the bigger ego, not me."
"put it up for adoption instead of killing it someone wants that baby"
"which is better rape or murder?and 1% of abortions are from rape and incest."
"See Victor, you are making a huge joke of this. You don't really care either way about abortion. Do you have THIS much time on your hands or shouldn't you be off in a corner??? A "man" with an ego as large as your has to be over compensating for something."
"If a girl gets raped, she shouldn't have to go through the pain of being pregnant. She will not only be scarred from the rape, but she will be scarred from the people who judge her and reject her because she's pregnant. She shouldn't have to go 9 months of pain, judgement, and changes in her body that she is not ready for, just to give birth to a child that isn't even fully developed or aware of life. "what about a c-section?" why should she have to live with that scar for the rest of her life for the child of her rapist? "give the kid up for adoption." this solves nothing and fails to address that she had to go through the process for nothing and then just gives the child up. what if the child was going to be born with major mental and/or physical defects? the child would not have a happy, normal life. Neither would the mother.What if the mother was physically unable to carry a child? what if your wife, mom, sister, or best friend died because she was carrying a baby that was killing her? I don't believe it should be used unless the woman is raped or the child or mother will be put in harm's way if she was to give birth. Get off your high horses."
"1% of abortions are from rape and incest."
"Look at this! If she was raped then why would she again go thru having the pain of killing an innocent baby! She may have gotten pregnant by mistake, but adoption is always another option and she should take it no matter what! Do u even know what those mothers go thru! Well I think not!"
"it is okay to have an abortion because having the unwanted child to give up for adoption will send him/her the message that they were unwanted, and going to school, kids will make fun and tell them their mother was a prostitute or something horrible like that."
"there r other kinds of protection you can use, not just one"
"so you say that it will send them a message that they were unwanted??? what is killing them saying??? STILL UNWANTED!!!!"
"Personally, I am pro-choice. Now, I don't think that a woman should go out and use abortions as a form of birth control and whatnot, but it's her right to do what she wants with her body. There are circumstances where a woman doesn't want a baby that was forced upon her (namely rape) and she can't use a form of protection. But I also see a bunch of people saying "well, then she should put it up for adoption!" Well, there are also circumstances where birthing the baby will put the mother's and/or the fetus's life in danger. So then should we just let them die? I also tend to hear religion brought into this discussion a lot. This is NOT a matter of religion, it's a matter of legal rights, and nobody should tell anyone what is right or wrong to be done with their own bodies, it should be left up to that person whose body it is."
"One of the con commented " its your fault if you didn't wear protection to have the baby" Most condemn brands( for example Trojan) Say they have a 2% chance of becoming pregnant. so this " if you wear a condom you won't have kids.. that is false. And Kids now a days are having a lot of sex and even if they wear condoms they could still have a possiblilty to get pregnant. do you think they are ready for that responsiblility? What if you were in a finicial crisis and you found out your 15 year old daughter was pregnant? First of all you would get mad and yell at the father and her. but All in end you wouldn't be able to support another child. You could put the baby up for adoption but just think of the harrassment your daughter would be going through if she was pregnant for 9 months. if she would have an abortion without any other kids knowning everything would be ok. Someone said the child feels pain after a certain point.. do it before then? it is as easy as that. you don't have to go for abortion. that is why it is legal, because if you don't have to do it... then why complain? it isn't your child or choice... you don't know what the parents may be going through."
"the 15 yr old daughter and her partner shouldn't have put themselves in the position where they could give in to the temptation of having sex. her having the baby will teach her some responsibility since apparently she didn't have enough to keep her occupied. idle hands bring trouble. (abortion doesn't take care of the STDs that get transmitted during sex. it actually increases the probability of getting herpes, chlamydia, gonorrhea, ect. )"
"If the Holocaust was happening today you wouldn't just say, "Well I can't complain, they're not making me kill anyone so whatever." Really I think the vast majority of pro-choice arguments could just as easily be used to make it legal to kill newborn infants or pretty much any other human for that matter."
"A majority of the comments are against abortion, and I think it's awesome. I like the idea of counting a fetus as a child that could soon grow up to be a great philosopher or cure cancer, regardless of their possibly difficult upbringing. But not all women see it the same way. One of the great things about the US is having the freedom to make our own decisions. One comment mentioned women who choose abortion do it for primarily selfish reasons, but is it not just as selfish to rob her of the rights to her body because of your own beliefs?"
"Even if a baby is alive and can feel pain it doesn't mean that abortion is wrong. If a woman feels that they are not ready for a baby or feel that they will not be able to take care of the baby then they have the right given to them by the Supreme Court to terminate their pregnancy. It doesn't matter when life begins because a woman has a right to this. None of us want to grow up in a home where we are not cared for or have a decent quality of life."
"quite honestly, I'd rather not be killed. I'd rather live a hard life than be killed. I hope that answers your question.If you thought on it honestly, I'm sure you'd come to the same conclusion. We live in a wonderful world, a lot can happen."
"There would be no need to kill you're baby after it was born, nor no situation where that would be even somewhat reasonable. If you do not have an abortion and you still feel that you will be unable to make sure that child has a healthy life then the right thing to do is put it up for adoption. If you have the option for abortion and you dont feel that you will be able to give that child a good life then abortion is one of many possibilities."
"Do you realize what that line of reasoning can lead to? The same argument could be used to support killing of newborns after they are born."
"Abortion should be legal in the 1st trimester or in the 2nd trimester in the case of rape, if the girl is 19 or younger, or if it would kill the girl and she chooses to abort the baby to save her life. I also think it's necessary to make birth control more readily available and to teach birth control, safe sex, and abstinence in sex ed classes. We should also do something to make women more aware of the signs of pregnancy so they can know if they're pregnant or not. Women should also be required to undergo counseling before they decide to go through with the abortion. Also abortion costs should be lowered to $300 across the board and women who want an abortion and can afford it should have to pay for it out of pocket. However, the government should pay for the abortions of those women who can't afford it, but with government funds and not taxes. That's my position."
"Abortion is wrong at all time periods and in all cases, save in the case where beyond a shadow of doubt that the natural course of delivery will kill either the mother and/or the child. I concur with you on the sex ed, but it needs to go a step beyond what it is now and needs to include more detailed information on all biological aspects of reproduction and STDs, and great emphasis should be placed on the emotional and psychological impact of teen sex. Parents should lead the way with this. So many people are either terribly ignorant of what happens in sex and reproduction or they are are woefully misinformed. I saw a little something at the end of your comment that confused me. Government funds, aren't those raised by taking taxes? So wouldn't government funds and taxes be the same thing?"
"Aiken, do you realize that the only "government funds" that exist come from taxes? Unless you're talking creating money out of thin air by typing into a keyboard, and even then if you really look at the effects of that, it's just a secret tax on the middle class and poor by means of inflation."
"Abortion should be decided on the situation. Why should someone who has been in a situation where they had been sexually abused and impregnated not be able to choose whether they have the baby or not. Why should they have to keep a reminder of their suffering.But even though I say this, I dont believe that abortion should not be used as a way of birth control, "because you accidently got pregnant and are not ready for the child." If this is the case, have the child and put it up for adoption, there are plenty of women in the world who want children but are unable to have them.So even though my opinion are both for and against for the way abortion is used, I still say that it should be legal for those that have certain situations."
"I think abortion should be legal. I don't think the baby is living until it is born. But if you do believe you are doing wrong by aborting, you shouldn't get an abortion."
"Should abortion be allowed up through the third trimester then?"
"@marissa:It is *not* a proven fact that unborn children feel pain. At 5 weeks, the nervous system isn't even developed enough to feel pain! *Think* about things before you try to state something as fact when it isn't. Modern technology doesn't even have the ability to ascertain the exact moment when the nervous system is developed enough to allow a being to feel pain."
"The baby is living even when it isn't born yet. It is a proven fact that babies do have a heartbeat at 5 weeks and feel pain."
"People with money don't worry they can send there daughter out of the state and have it taken care of they live by a different set of rules and keep it quiet."
"You shouldn't get an abortion if it's not dangering you, or did not concieve willingly. However, as the law would pertain to humans, human nature annoyingly looks to other ways to accomplish a goal if the main way is eliminated. It doesn't matter if the main clinics are shut down, they'll do it anyway. It's similar to gun laws-you shouldn't have a gun, you really shouldn't use one, but the problem-maker will do it anyway, and the side-effects of a back-alley abortion is worse. Making the problem illegal doesn't make the problem go away. This isn't a game, where making something illegal makes it impossible to do. Besides, it's none of your business unless you are getting on or plan to. Don't like abortions? Don't get one. Not your problem."
"amyrichard: Whether the fetus is alive has nothing to do with abortions. We require no one else in society to be obligate donors. You would probably think it was ridiculous if doctors showed up at your home demanding bone marrow because you were a match and someone would die without your marrow, but you seem to think nothing of forcing a woman to go to doctor appointments, change her lifestyle, and risk her health for someone she does not want to take such a risk for. We don't even require people to be organ donor after they die! yet somehow it is okay to force a woman to support a fetus for 9 months. It makes no sense regardless of whether the fetus is considered alive or not."
"I'm not sure who originally coined this phrase, but I've seen it repeated by many pro-lifers: "When you say don't like abortion, don't get one, we hear don't like murder, don't do it." Your argument on how illegalizing abortion won't get rid of abortion is spot on, but you left out one critical part of the debate which is whether or not the fetus is alive and if abortion is murder. This is not just a moral debate on how one views abortion, but also a scientific debate on what classifies as life."
"If a doctor believes a woman's health is at risk, whether physically or mentally then she should be allowed to choose whether to get an abortion. I know that could open a door to doctors allowing women to get an abortion even if they are fine, but this is already true with other factors. For instance, doctors have been busted already giving steroids out or medicinal weed to people who might not exactly qualify. People will always break the system, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't set laws."
"Abortion should be legal but controlled. Evidence of rape, severe distress to a woman's body or a low life expectancy for the child should have to be proven to allow an abortion. I do not believe in abortions myself. However in some circumstances I can see why some would want one. Condoms and other contraceptive are less expensive than an abortion. If someone told you that you would die today unless you put your life on hold for 9 months, Would you do it to live for just 5 more years? 2 Years? 1 Year? 80 Years? Don't make a unborn child pay for your mistakes. Adopt out. There is someone waiting for your child that will love them unconditionally."
"because women need to have all the rights they fought and worked for."
"It is my wright if I want to have an abortion. Also, my sisters, and my dauther's wright. It is not a way of pregnancy prevention. I believe in family planification. More ways for men to use should be created, you know, like a pill or an injection for him."
"I think there should be an age limit on abortion. I mean, what if you were 12 and were raped? Giving birth to the baby could kill you, but if your 16 and did it with your boyfriend, then the baby should be yours. You can give it up for adoption or something,"
"What if a woman is raped. Now, the automatic for all you pro-lifers, would be adoption, right? Obviously none of you have ever had children. If you had, you'd realize that the bond between mother and child is one like no other. Giving up a child is arguably one of the hardest decisions a woman could ever make. Although I am in my teens, I am a mother and I've never loved any one as much as I do my daughter. Of course, if I had been raped, the pain of looking at the child for the rest of my life would be too much. It would interfere with my healing and my ability to parent. Abortion most of the time is a relief to the mothers. Carrying a child to term, regardless of whether you choose to parent or adopt out, will still leave a permanent reminder of your pain."
"should be legal because people have the right to choose and because there maybe some reasons why many women decides to make an abortion."
"I'm pro for abortion because why is it anyone else buisness if someone were to get an abortion? What if someone got raped or if young teenagers accidentally made the wrong decision, they can't take care of a baby. I know its terrible to KILL another human being, but if you think about it. Its no ones choice besides the person its coming from. Plus anyone who is trying to adopt a child there are more than enough infants out there to get adopted so anyone to bring in adoption is in the wrong state of mind."
"Of course it should be legal. Why shouldn't it be? It's not your say whether the woman can start or end a life, PLUS..if the abortion is done before the fetus is formed, is it really taking a life? and who would know the difference if no one but the doctor and person included knew?"
""It's not your say whether the woman can start or end a life" Are you reading your own words?"
"So why not a mother of five year old kid, can she take the life of her daughter? If a mother has the right to decide who lives and who dies among her children, is that right?When a moment of conception occurs a living individual exists. You started there. I also started there. Everyone reading this response started out at that stage. A child is a human being from 6 months, to adulthood, and finally unto their very last breaths. It isn't so difficult to see the truth that at every stage of life, conception to death, we are human beings.If we really believe that doing what is right is at all important, regardless of when someone is looking or not, than we have to do the right thing and avoid the wrong. If no one sees a crime, it is still a crime. The crime is an act of inhumanity."
"i was raped when i was 14... IM PRO-CHOICE because of what happend to me.. if u are in the same situation i was in when i was 14 you would probably see things the way i do. im 17 and honestly if i would have ended up pregnant.. and kept it i dont know that i would be able to look at my kid and when he or she asks where there father is what would u tell them? how could u face a little kid and tell them that there father raped u? its not right. another thing is for people who have been raped and cant provide for the kid. you dont want the kid to have a bad life. now if u r willingly having sex and u get pregnant. i think u should deal with being pregnant because ur the one who chose to have sex. u have to deal with the consiquence of ur actions."
"I was also