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"Drive drunk and get in an accident and need an organ transplant? No problem. Messing around with a gun, accidently shoot yourself in the leg and need surgery? Of course. Smoke tobacco for most of your life and need treatment for lung cancer? Yep. Have sex and get pregnant when you don't want to be? YOU GOT YOURSELF INTO THIS SITUATION AND YOU DESERVE NO MEDICAL ATTENTION OR COMPASSION! THIS IS YOUR FAULT AND YOU WILL DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES.Sorry, something doesn't add up here."
"Why should people who drunk drive be able to get an organ transplant? Why should people who are messing around with a gun be able to get surgery? It is their own fault for messing with the gun, or drunk driving. It isn't the woman's fault if the condom breaks or something. The woman should be able to get an abortion because it is her choice and her body."
"The difference between your examples and getting pregnant is that one is a living being, while another is an injury. Accidentally getting hurt is apart of life. But abortion is different. Even though you can tell i am against abortion, I agree with you that people often give no compassion to people who have or want an abortion. I believe this is wrong. No one needs to slam others for their choices, but rather love them and know that you are compassionate for them."
"Honestly, the government is being to nice. Who would be driving drunk when there are thousands of signs saying not to, and smoking tobaco knowing the warning..."
"the thing that doesn't "add up" is that your getting drunk, smoking, messing with a gun, and having sex so careless. organ transplants don't come so easy by the way. the only thing you are right about is that you don't deserve compassion about killing a baby."
"People's choices impact their lives, Ido agree with that. But what's the point of health care if you don't get medical attention? Right you shouldn't be messing with a gun, but there aren't any signs or a law that says that. Maybe you were doing shooting practice and it was an accident. Or trying to fix the gun. What if a 10 year old girl gets raped? Is she gonna have to be a mother at that age? In fact if she gives birth it'll ruin her physically and emotionally. Would you really choose baby that hasn't even been born yet over a girl whose life is in danger and it's not her fault? How would you feel if YOU got raped, huh? What if you had to be a mother even though it's not your fault that you were pregnant? THATS THE THING THAT DOESNT ADD UP, ALYSSA."
"i agree with you thats there choices they put that on them selfs"
"If your little girl was raped and made pregnant and she was 12 the perv was say 24 would you make her have the baby knowing it will scar her body the rape has already scared her mind or would you help her heal by killing the diseased germ inside of your already living breathing child?"
"In case you haven't noticed, abortion is murder. That is like killing your 9 year old kid and saying;"Oh, I just didn't want them anymore.""
"There's a huge difference here. Surgery, transplants, and treatment cost money, and they're all to help yourself. Abortion is cheap and it's killing a baby!"
"I believe that it is a way to give the women who are raped a chance to keep their youth as much as possible."
"There are so many things that can accidentally happen, and I get where your coming from. But its not just fixing whats broken, its breaking what you built. You say shooting yourself on accident is the same as having a child? Don't you have any respect for what god planned for you, do you have respect for human life, no. You don't. Think people all over the world can't have babies, but you can. Be giving. You might not want your baby, but someone out there does. Accidents are always occurring, but abortion shouldn't be one of them."
"In Luke chapter one, verses 36 and 41, we are told that Elisabeth conceived a "son" and that the "babe" leaped in her womb. God does not say that a "fetus" leaped in her womb! He says THE BABE leaped. This is the exact same word that God uses to describe Christ in the manger AFTER He is born (Luke 2:12, 16). In God eyes, an unborn babe and a newborn babe are the same. They are both living human beings!"
"I was raped by someone eleven years older than me I was just turning 13 my parents made me keep the child I watched the child be abused by the very people that abused me as I got older the child had been abused and held me responsible because I was his mother and I was to afraid to tell him the story of how he came to be but it took my teens,twentie, thirties forties,and my fifties because the child grew into a very sick human beings and I feel REALY bad because if abortions had been legal the pain and true loss of life would not have happened. I tried to love this child but nothing I did was good enough my parents after they damaged the child made me take him into my new marriage which the envie killed the marriage not until I told him the horrible story of how he came to be did he leave my life which is to late I'm old and alone now so if I can save another young girl I hope keeping abortion legal will,march on, thank you for your understanding life is toooooo short to have such a big choice like parenthood be made for you with out your voice being heard it causes resentment."
"My mother never chose to get raped. I certainly never asked for a stranger to rape my young (at the time) mother. But that's what happened. My mother had 3 options: she could have gotten an abortion, given the baby up for adoption, or kept the baby. Her situation was not ideal to raise a baby, but it was do-able. I am now a successful college student because my mother chose life. I will make a difference in the lives of others because the strongest woman I know decided 18 years ago that there was no reason that I didn't deserve to live. The U.S. Declaration of Independence guarantees a few inalienable rights: the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I get to exercise those rights every day because my mother decided--before she knew how I would turn out--that I deserved to live. Those unborn babies don't even get a chance."
"Abortion is a choice of a woman. No matter what ever the law states, abortion is going to play a big role in our society. It is right many woman fight for and an act many women struggle to have. Abortion may seem like killing the innocence, but it is a choice the woman and her family should be taking. Make this an option. Don't deny any women. It is their choice, let them make their decision. We stay to guide them to the right path, not to deny theirs."
"Abortion is MURDER. Innocent babies killed? All you abortion mothers out there, YOU DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR CHILDREN! You want a baby? You will get a baby! Sexual harassment is one thing, but actually choosing to have sex is another thing. You can't just have sex and not expect to get pregnant."
"Forcing a woman to be pregnant against her will is slavery. Slavery is worse."
"I'm sorry. I didn't realize what I was coming across as"
"As was once said to me, " the worst sin you can commit is to bring an unwanted child into the world." Having grown up with 2 parents who should not have been parents, I agree with that statement. I think it is an act of mercy to not bring a child into this world when you can not feed it, love it or provided for it. Subsequently, since I don't believe we only get one chance at being born, I don't see the child as being punished, but rather a choice being made. If that soul wants to be born, it will find another human to come through. In the end, I think choosing to have a child or not is a personal choice that can only be decided by the couple and their family."
"The scientific fact is that during the stage of meiosis the DNA of a future zygote undergoes hundreds of thousands of replication errors. This process of imputed error is the basis for speciation and occurs with every gamete. It only requires a single error in a critical event to kill a zygote. Because the zygote has 6 billion nucleotides a few hundred thousand errors may or may not lead to the death of the zygote or to the creation of a non human life. What we do know for certain is that after replication, the hundreds of thousands of errors make it impossible to be certain of the humanity of the zygote. Because of speciation, there is no proof of human life at conception. Because all pro life theory is based upon the false "assumption" of life at conceptions, the entire pro life movement fails. The scientific proof cannot be denied. All DNA suffers errors that make it impossible to tell if the life created is human. That said, 70 percent of conceptions do not produce human life, however, 30 percent do. So mathematically speaking there will always be human life. The only problem for the pro life movement is that one cannot prove the zygote is human until after birth occurs."
"Two main reasons why abortion should be legal: (1) in the case that a woman is raped, and (2) in the case that a child is conceived without intention of the couple to have and raise a child. Clearly, in the first case, abortion should be an option for any woman. In addition to the trauma and humiliation of being sexually abused, why would anyone want to force a woman to keep a child that was forced upon her? Want to support women's rights? Give them the opportunity to take control of their lives when things go awry and a life altering event has taken place. In the second, more often disputed case, one must look at the effects of whether or not a couple truly wants to have a child. If a child is conceived without intent to raise a child, the said child will grow up unwanted and may even be neglected. Even though most parents might be able to "learn to love" their child, in many cases, the right environment to raise a child may not be present. Financial hardship, family issues, and numerous other problems can come in the way of raising a child in the loving, caring environment that it deserves. People should be able to have a child when they feel ready as well as be able to opt out if they are not."
"James C. : That is a lot of words for "We in America prefer not to value and respect women's lives.""
""How may I help you?" "Yes, I would like to return this baby please.""Ok, your change would be $responsibility."We in America prefer to value human life. Don't teach children that other peoples live don't matter even if they have yet to be aware of the world. There was a time when people wondered if black people had a soul. There was a time that people would stab themselves if they failed. If finances are your argument, how much is your life worth."
"I think women should have control over their bodies. Yeah, abortion shouldn't be used as a thing for whenever you have sex, but if you get raped, and get pregnant, you should get an abortion. I'm only 13, but if I get raped, there is no way I'm going to keep it."
"Last time i checked you didnt have 2 head 4 arms and 4 legs or 1 heart you heartless murderers! This is not right! A baby eagle death is a 300k$ fine and its illegal... Yet its legal to murder babies of our own flesh and blood! There are barren mothers who would kill you just for thinking about abortion!"
"I am pro choice, because having a child is serious business. I'm saying an abortion should be for everyone, but it should be for those who can't take care of a child because of actual reasons, or if they've raped, or if they'll have a child who will grow with terrible defects and they know they wont raise them right. I was raped at 14 and later found out I was pregnant with their child, it was sickening knowing that I would have to give birth and raise the child of a man who not only raped me but took my virginity. My family was very unstable as well, we didn't have the means to raise the child, and of course they say I could have put the child up for adoption but I was at a very large health risk for delivery because I was so small and i was terrified knowing that something horribly wrong could happen to myself. Why would I bring a child into this world if I knew i couldn't give it the right life, i would be putting my health and my life at risk, and i would have to keep going through the horrible memories of my attack."
"Abortion is a choice. Something that seems to be ignored is the fact that there are some people for whom carrying children is dangerous, due to the size of their frame or pre-existing medical conditions."
"I find it odd that the US treats assault as somehow more appropriate than sex. I can stab someone forcing them to need an organ transplant and blood, yet the worse that can happen is I go to jail. No one takes these organs or the blood from me even if I am a match. But have sex resulting in pregnancy, and suddenly another has more rights to your body than you do. Forcing a woman to carry that pregnancy against her will is at best slavery. And I don't see how forcing her to do it just to give the baby up to another family isn't abuse."
"What are you supposed to tell the 11 year old who was raped by her father and brother for years that got pregnant. "Oh, you have to go through with pregnancy?" It is her body, let her be"
"Valid point, except if the father and brother didn't rape the 11 year old, she wouldn't be killing another child that could grow up to be a child like her. The responsibility is theirs and they should be punished accordingly. In this sense legal action can be imposed on the parents not the child."
"Well, if you got raped then that's one thing, but actually CHOOSING to have sex is another."
"adoption is always a choice I don't know why people have to be so cruel and having an abortion"
"Don't ABORT the child .. give it up for adopiton"
"I am pro-choice, because I believe that a woman can do whatever she wants with her body, which is personal, and the government should not restrict a safe way of getting an abortion, because if a woman really wants one, she will resort to unsafe illegal abortion."
"You got to understand that there is people out who want kids. So you can just let somebody adopt your child and you don't have to worry about paying child support."
"The child is a person too! People talk about a woman's right to control her body but ignore the CHILD'S right to control THEIR body, or even live. Why is one person's right to control their body more important than another person's right to live?"
"I don't think anyone has a right to use another's body regardless of what that person does. I have friends trying to tell me we should force inmates to participate in drug or medical trials. Their arguments sound similar to the "force a woman to be pregnant" crowd. They decide these inmates lost rights by doing something, and can save people's lives if we take their rights to their body away. It seems like a slippery slope, and society needs to stop moving in this direction. No one has a right to anyone's body without their permission, and nothing anyone does automatically grants that permission."
"ok, so why don't you have a baby, sure. why not? and what if you're poor? oh ok. still lets have the baby. it'd be so cruel to have an abortion. why don't we put the child through the pain of most likely being placed in an orphanage, with crap education, bullying, depression, and in a lot of cases, suicide. So basically, you torture the child, with many of them not making it, or you kill them before they have experienced any of it."
"Yes. Because say you get raped, would you really want to carry around some pervert's child? and what if you are 15? or are mentally, physically or emotionally unstable, what child would want to grow up in that kind of environment?"
"that's true but what about the people who don't get raped"
"I wouldn't care if it was some perverts child its not the child's fault. I'd be rational and put him or her up for adoption have a closed adoption anything to allow that child to have a better life."
"if you know your not mentally or physically stable to take care of a child you should have taken the steps necessary to prevent a pregnancy I feel its as simple as that if you got raped it going to be hard but they should keep in mind that its not the babies faults so why are they going to pay for something they had nothing to do"
"Abortion should always be a woman's choice without question. Nobody has the right to dictate to a woman what she can or cannot do with her body for any reason ever. Life begins when the fetus can survive on its own outside of the womb."
"Here's the overriding question I have for the antis: If a woman is determined to have an abortion and cannot be talked out of it, how do you physically stop them? Even locking them up will not prevent a person from causing a miscarriage if they are set on doing so. So then what? Strap them to a gurney for nine months? Force them to carry and deliver? Are we really prepared to go there?"
"A law student I am not, but in the premiss of abortion being illegal and a woman seeking abortion, a substantial amount of reasonable suspicion would have to be established for measures to be taken to prevent her murdering her unborn child. There are legal presidents that would be broached with these situations and great care would have to be taken to preserve peoples' rights but it is not something that is impossible to tackle. This is America, not Romania, the possibility of what you fear should be a non-issue with our constitution. If we make abortion legal will that stop all women from getting one? No, it will not. So should we just not worry about making abortion illegal because women will get them anyway? In my opinion no, we should still make it illegal. Laws should be a reflection of our ethics, and they should be consistently enforced without special reserve. And the most logical and consistent definition of when a person becomes a person is at conception, and that person has rights like everyone else that should be protected. Want to give a definition of when personhood begins? Be my guest. Just make sure it is scientifically and logically consistent by how all others are defined as persons."
"Jason, you likely don't have many responses because the question is flawed. It sounds like you are saying since we cannot stop all abortions, even if made illegal, that taking a stance against abortion is wrong. I may be wrong about that, but that is how it seems.Can you clarify why you need to know how the world would stop someone from breaking a law that limits abortions? Why is this important to the debate of whether or not abortion is wrong (recall, that is what this debate is about).Theft is illegal and it continues. Same with murder and speeding.what is your point in the debate of whether or not abortion is good or bad? Can you explain why you ask and how it is important to this debate... then you might get more responses."
"Jason, how would you stop anyone from doing something which is unethical? By teaching them about all sides of the issue with gentleness, love, persuasion, kindness. If that does not work then does that mean it's ok to let them continue to perform an act that is unethical or immoral? What if they are convinced they should commit suicide? The same arguments could be used to support that as well. Is that the line of reasoning you want to follow?The issue is, that you are supporting the claim that one person's right to persuit of happiness is more important than another person's right to life. There's a reason the founding father listed those rights in the order that they did."
"Please tell me what said measures would be. Remember, I'm asking for individual opinions from anti-abortion advocates. What in your mind would be reasonable measures to prevent a woman from getting an abortion if she is set on doing it? What constitutes "a reasonable amount of suspicion"? Does she simply have to say "I don't want to carry and deliver a pregnancy to term"? Does she have to be caught seeking abortion services by homicide detectives? And I have to ask again: If you lock her up, how to you stop her from forcing a miscarriage? I agree that our constitution doesn't allow us to strap her to a gurney for nine months, so what is the answer? So far, I see no way to do it."
"Well what do you know? Not a single response. Why, I wonder? The answer is that you have no answer that the public, even most anti-abortion activists, will accept. You know perfectly well that you cannot force someone to carry for nine months and then deliver. There is simply no way to do it. We have ways of preventing actual murder. We lock up violent people. We conduct psychiatric evaluations and take preventative measures if a person is believed to be a danger to themselves or others. This isn't possible when it comes to a woman who is determined to end an unwanted pregnancy. That is why "murder" cannot be applied to abortion."
"The ignorance of some people blow my mind. You have to put it in other ways besides just saying "youre killing your own child" or "well they were irresponsible so they deserve the consequences" that is the only thing that you can say as to why it may be a bad decision. What youre not considering is that these options were put here for a reason so that people actually have a choice. as selfish as abortions may seem, think about peoples situations and how THEY feel. people get pregnant thats how it goes, but there are plenty of people who cant have a child due to their circumstances. Perhaps they are poor/struggling and couldnt afford to raise a child, couldnt give it all it needed/deserved. Bringing in a child that you cannot raise is just as selfish, is it not? Women have their reasons and they have their rights and you dont have to like it. However, if youre just out sleeping around, guy after guy and not knowing who the father is, then no i dont think its acceptable and i dont support you. But, if she has a completely understandable reason why she chose abortion as an option, whether you find it understandable or not. She did what she felt was best, and there are so many women who appreciate being able to have that choice."
"People have sex and people are going to have sex. People make mistakes. People do things that get themselves into situation that they did not mean to get in. Its just life. 40 years ago i guarantee so many women wished that their was another option. And then u expect women to give their baby away to strangers? Some women clearly find abortion much easier than adoption. Think about if it were your 15 year old daughter, she made a mistake. Wouldnt you want her to know she had options? That she didnt HAVE to do this? Should she be having sex? No. But do people have sex? Yes. and for you to tell people "well stop having sex" sounds ridiculous. What if the mother was in an abusive relationship? Say shes pregnant, getting beat on by the father of her child, could you imagine bringing your baby into that type of tragedy? I say this because I experienced this. For all of you who have not experienced this/or other situations, you should NOT judge others. For those of you who have brought a healthy baby into the world and you can raise it and give it everything, thats a blessing. But for those who choose abortion, does NOT mean that when the time is right, they wont be a great mom & unconditionally love the baby they will some day have"
"Well, to put it in a way that everyone can understand, women have been oppressed for thousands of years. What right does anyone, and I mean ANYONE have to take them away? Are you having the kid? No. Are you the one stuck carrying it for 9 months? No. Are you the all knowing and loving God? Goodness no, if you are then get me a lambo with 30 million dollars. But you arn't. So stop acting like it and let god do his plan. He has a plan for everyone, who's to say abortion isn't part of it, maybe God thought "Hey this kids pretty awesome, hes already got a pass to heaven." If not, then give the people the GOD GIVEN RIGHT to CHOOSE. GOD GAVE THEM THE RIGHT. So. Uh. Think you have more say then God? If so then take their rights away. But you'll have him to answer to. so. Yeah. Uh. ... Stop reducing women to material objects that you can tell what to do and get over it, God's already forgiven them."
"You want the right to abort a child. Shouldn't the child get the right to live. God would frown on murdering another "potential" human being. Not that that should hold any barring on legal matters. "Hey this kids pretty awesome, he has already got a pass to heaven."Damn you are one cruel person. Death isn't a joke. Besides, you aren't the voice of god. You can't kill a fetus and say it was god's will. If you do, that's heresy. Stop reducing children into objects."
"I think abortion should be legal for a few reasons. 1. If the woman can prove that she was raped or her life is in danger.2. People will still do it whether or not it's legal, if you make it legal, there'll be less back alley abortions.3. Taxpayers should not have to pay for this. The parents or woman should pay for it4. People can choose to smoke, they know that it's not right, but they still do it. People can choose to get an abortion, and it's wrong. But they fully know what they are doing."
"Ellie and Daisy: Slavery is a crime to. So are you advocating to enslave women who don't want to be pregnant? Whenever there are unjust laws, there will be civil disobedience. That is why there are back ally abortions. Women know it is their body, and in any other instance we do not grant others the right to use ones body against their wish. Rape is illegal. Taking someones organs is illegal. Using someone's body is illegal even if using their body saves your life.Finally, enough with adoption! 1) Adoption is an alternative to parenting, NOT pregnancy. Pregnant really is damaging to a body in a way parenting is not. 2) There are so many kids out there to adopt! So many just waiting for homes. My state alone has over 100K just waiting to be adopted. Please adopt! A child is waiting for you."
"Well actually in your first paragraph you stated the word "I" which means that is an opinion and you can't really prove that so therefore you do not have facts to prove. Abortion is in fact murder which is a crime. A baby receives his heartbeat at the mere age of 4 weeks after fertilization and a heartbeats indicates a human being so this action is actually a crime."
"Yes there will be less back alley abortions, but there is adoption. If people are unable to take care of the baby once it is born then they can set it up so the baby can be adopted by a couple that can't have children. Abortion is basically murder. If you have an abortion it's just like murdering an adult."
"Banning abortion doesn't reduce the number of women seeking them. If we want to reduce abortion, we must entertain ways of doing it that are proven to work. If you could coerce people not to have sex, that would be a proven method. However, you can't stop people from having sex. Therefore, you're left with two proven options: 1) provide good-quality *comprehensive* sex-education, and 2) make inexpensive contraception widely available. Simple as that-- only two things proven to prevent abortion, and banning them isn't one of them."
"Greta: It is very cruel to force a woman to sustain a pregnancy just to give the baby up for adoption. Pregnancy is risky, and to enslave a woman simply to take that baby and give it to someone else is one of the most wicked things I can think of. There are tons of children out there waiting for homes! Really, thousands and thousands. Please consider adopting one of them."
"Abortion should not be legal. Abortion is murder. You should never have an abortion because there are a lot of gay and straight couples in the world who can not have kids. You should have the baby then put it up for adoption because its not fair to others who can not have children. If you are not going to care for the child the way the should be cared for then put it up for adoption."
"A woman's body is her own, let them do what they want too. Its nobody else's business. Everyone and the government should just stay out of it."
"It truly is the mothers choice and no one else should tell her "this child will have to be yours. You must care for it and cannot do harm to it." If the mom doesn't feel ready for a baby yet, why force it? If this world has places like china where you cannot have more than one child, I'm sure we have plenty of people in this world. Killing ONE before its lived a full life will not make a difference."
"I am pro-choice. I believe life begins at conception, but I do not consider abortion murder. This is because a fetus is not a "separate" life until it is born. I consider abortion much like cutting off one's finger, which is not murder even though the finger becomes dead flesh. That finger was not a separate life, so removing it from life support is not murder. Abortion is never a desirable choice. No one ever said, "I feel good. Let's go have an abortion." Abortion is always chosen as the lesser of two evils. Giving birth should never be considered as punishment for engaging in sex. This demeans the value of life. I hope I never stand in judgement of a woman, who is in a position that I will never stand in (I am male). I am willing to compromise and disallow third trimester abortions. The fetus is not yet a "separate" life, but by this point is a "separable" life. That is enough of a gray area that I am willing to concede that area to pro-lifers. I hope that I, and any woman that I am with, never chose abortion, but I will not throw stones at those who do. The most admirable phrase that I have heard on this subject is that "Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare." That is a goal that I am willing to work for."
"Oppression and slavery are the worst sins. Forcing people to use their bodies against their will to sustain anyone is infinitely worse than the potential loss of life by terminating such an arrangement. It is impossible to do anything to deserve having your body used against your will."
"Reina C: I feel sad that you think a woman's life is worth less than other life. Forcing a woman to use her body to sustain anyone places her value at less than a corpse. We don't even force organ donation by corpses not using their organs, but a woman? Yes, lets force her to risk her life sustaining another being against her will. In the US with great medical care 1 in 4800 women still DIE from pregnancy complications. In countries with less medical care the number is 1 in 7. Pregnancy is dangerous, and so much more dangerous than accepting an organ from a corpse.I respect all life, I am just a realist regarding who is allowed to use other people's bodies against their will."
"I feel bad for you that you think human life is an "arrangement".. How sad you must be...."
"One of the Scientific Abortion Laws makes it clear that any choice to have sex is implied consent to abortion. Why? 70 percent of all conceptions end in natural abortion. Therefore, any choice to have sex will end in abortion 70 percent of the time.A natural abortion (miscarriage) is in fact not normally planned or initiated by a woman. However, the knowledge that she will abort 70 percent of her conceptions should be obvious. If she is not aware of the 70 percent figure, surely she is aware that she will abort at least 20 / 30 percent of her conceptions. So she is aware of what she is doing.The fact is that pro lifers believe that a zygote/embryo/fetus is a baby. So they know that they are simply creating a baby that they know will die.Pro lifers intentionally have sex knowing they will cause the death of a baby. However, pro choice women frequently do not believe the zygote is a baby. So when they choose to have sex, they are not making an intentional choice to kill a baby. In the case of pro lifers, they choose to have sex knowing a baby will die and in the case of pro choice women they choose to have sex not believing they are killing a baby. Which is the moral position?"
"Jamie: I believe the point being made is that having sex is conducting an act where you know the outcome will be death in most cases. In other scenarios, that would be neglect. People go to jail for that.Pointing out how we treat a fetus differently than a person is incredibly important. I had many many miscarrages until it was found I had a disorder. If a fetus is a person, why aren't my doctors being charged with malpractice? I can see after the first one they could say "we didn't know", but when you get to the third if it was a person heads would roll. Imagine a doctor allowing three adults to die in a row without investigating.We even have pregnancy crisis center workers telling women to "hope for a miscarrage." If someone hoped for an adult to die, they could be placed in a psychiatric ward."
""natural abortion" this is a horrible comparison.A miscarriage is not the same as an abortion. A miscarriage is by natural causes. An abortion is a willful act to terminate a living being.You might just as well say that murder is not murder, it's actually a natural death. This is, of course, ludicrous.Or, you might as well say that since we all know that everyone will die, then it should be okay to kill anyone.. .cause, hey, we're gonna die anyway.This is an adolescent attempt to shirk the responsibility involved in MAKING the death happen. Very, very faulty."
"Abortion is controlled by Scientific Laws that show abortion saves life and pro life ideas lead to death. It is a scientific fact that pro lifers have a choice, they may save innocent born babies, children and adults or they may make the choice to let them die and save a fetus instead.There are 1.8 born people dying each second. They are dying faster than they can be saved. If pro lifers choose to save them, then they can in fact be saved. If pro lifers choose to let them die and save a fetus instead, then they die. Of course that is true for all other people as well. But there is only one group of people that claim to save life and in fact choose to let born people die in an effort to save fetuses. The legal concept of "murder by omission" applies here. Pro lifers have a duty to save life because they in fact claim to save life. However, instead of saving life, pro lifers choose to let one life die in an effort to save a zygote. The most enlightening part of their situation is that there is only a 30 percent chance that any zygote will become a born human. So when a pro lifer makes the choice to let a baby die to save a zygote, he fails 70 percent of the time. In that situation, babies and zygotes both die."
"I personally think abortion should be legal. But here's something for the pro-life people should think about. You say that people could always send kids they don't want to adoption centers, right? But I have seen plenty of cases were adoption centers have stopped taking more children because could barely handle the ones they have, and sure that will happen more if abortion and contraceptives are outlawed. Think about that."
"I am pro. it isn't up to politicians or others to say whether it is right or not, it is only up to the woman who is having it done. if u r against it fine don't have one"
"I think abortion should be legal, up to the point of where it feels pain (26 weeks as this article states.) but could be later if something was to develop endangering the mother or the child. (If not physically, mentally.) I know many of the Pro-Life will stand by the adoption process, and it can work, but the mother shouldn't have to give birth for someone else to have a baby. The woman would wait months and feel intense pain for the child that she wouldn't even want. 'It's their responsibility' Pro-lifers may say, but it shouldn't be their responsibility to decide that for the mother.According to the Donohue-Levitt Hypothesis, the Roe V. Wade making abortion legal actually reduced crime. Being unready or unprepared for bringing a child into this world, could not only hurt the mother's career in life, it could ruin their children's lives. After aborting, a mother, when ready, could begin to start a family. The lives of these potential children are more likely to be better than the one that could have been.Truth is, you should decide what is right or wrong. If you think abortion is wrong, don't do it. If your pro-choice and can't handle the responsibility? Make the call."
"When you get an abortion, most of the time women do it before the baby has even developed, therefore it is technically NOT murder. It is just like killing flu cells. Would you count killing cancer cells as murder? Yeah, I thought not.And, it is the woman's right to decide. If she doesn't want to get an abortion? Fine. If she does? Fine. Saying that it should be illegal is like saying it is illegal for someone to wear jeans. I know, crazy right? Well, that's exactly what you're telling these women who want to get an abortion, and can't."
"No, it is very different from killing "cells" as all people know it is typically almost completle devoloped, and is removed a few weeks before it is born."
"It's the woman's right to decide what she does with her body. It's not selfish to have an abortion when one doesn't have the money to support the child. Better that then have them raised potentially without basic resources such as food, water, or shelter. In all honesty, people will have abortions regardless of whether or not they're legal. Legal abortions are more sterile and safe. Even if abortion is legal, it doesn't mean you have to get one anyways. This just makes it more available to those who would like to have one."
"Yes, because control of your body is a basic human right. If we cannot have laws that respect and protect human rights, then there is no point to having them at all."
"The right to live is a basic right also, why is that not important to you. I bet it would be if it was YOUR life in question!"
"Abortion should be legal because even though people may abuse the privilege, but if someone cant afford a baby, or if they get raped, why should we force them to have it."
"What is the meaning of life and why is it important?Answer: NO ONE KNOWSThis is a question we all ask and we come up with possible answers unique from person to person. For some, various religions around the world make the most sense. For others, the scientific method is all they need. The fact is, anything is possible and no one group is 100% correct. There's always the possibility of a god just outside the reach of science, and there's also the possibility there isn't. Also, who's to say what came before and what comes after life won't be better? We just don't know.A huge problem arises when people believe their view is the truth, and don't accept the possibility for anything else. Placing restrictions on abortion is a huge example of this. I believe that each one of us should decide for themselves what is important to them and their lives, since no one knows the answer to the first question. This is why I'm pro choice."
"I can say I am not sure on the topic either, but I am grateful I have the right to decide for myself since it is my body. I appreciate what you said about people believing their own truth is the only truth for everyone. And I agree that way of thinking is dangerous, because it presumes that one person is not only capable of making a decision for another but presumes to enforce their will on someone to whom they have no ties or genuine interest, honestly. There would be no controversy if the answer were clearly clear every time for everyone. It's really refreshing to hear someone say that no-one knows. Everyone claims to know and not only are sure of their view, but sometimes really nasty in putting it out there. Thanks for an actual thoughtful opinion , Adam."
"I'm interested more in replies than votes. I want to hear opinions."
"I am Pro choice because what if you are raped or molested. Its not your fault. If your not capable to raise that child you can either abort them or you can have the child and give them up for adoption. Nobody should be forced to keep the child if their not ready for it."
"Abortion is a very cruel thing to do and should never be done. Unless there is something wrong with the baby and it's effecting the carrier in bad ways. Termination of a baby that hasn't even been born yet is torture and disgusting. If you don't want the baby, or you can't afford it, give it up to foster care or put it up for adoption. Don't kill it."
"I am pro because everyone should have the right to decide what they want in their and body and what they don't. If a person wants an abortion it should be their decision not anybody else's. If you can't care for a child or aren't fit enough to be a parent abortion should really be an option."
"its not only their body when they are pregnant they have another human begin in there that they have to think about if they didn't want the baby they shouldn't be having sex or prevent from getting pregnant because its easy to say im not ready for a baby but maybe if you didn't have sex then that wouldn't be the problem but no you rather get in abortion because they didn't do what they had to do to not get pregnant so they say im going to take the life of a innocent and beautiful baby"
"If you wanted to decide what was in your body, then why would you have sex/ get pregnant in the first place?"
"Let's say there's a bus crash. Many people are hurt. You made it out unscathed, and you're at the hospital after the accident. The hospital is running out of blood for transfusions. People are hurt and in need of blood, and you are healthy enough to be a donor. But you are not obligated to give up your blood to someone.Your sister is very sick and needs a liver transplant. You are a perfect match, and a piece of your liver could help her get better. You are still not obligated to donate your liver and undertake all of those surgical risks.You have a tiny child. It's only a few weeks past conception so it in order to survive it needs to live in your body, use up your nutrients and energy, and runs a significant risk of causing you serious or even fatal complications. Even if it's a true person and your child, you are not obligated to give up your body for it.No one should be forced to risk their life for the sake of another. They can make that choice if they wish to, but they shouldn't be forced towards either choice. Pregnancy takes a huge physical, emotional, and financial toll on a mother, even in the best of circumstances. People have a right to authority over their bodies and their health."
"I very much agree with your post. I really like and understand your post!"
"I'm PRO because I feel that every women should be able to choose what happens inside of her body. It seems as though the people against abortion are the same people that are PRO gun laws, because they "violate the 2nd amendment". Well, if YOU were told by a doctor that giving birth would kill you, what would you think if the government told you that you just had to die? That you had NO choice in the matter?"
"I laugh at all you "CON" people. Let me just address this to you plain and simple...You are not going to tell me what I am allowed to do and what I am not allowed to do. Do you remember being in your mothers stomach? No, because you weren't even aware that you were alive at that time. You had NO idea what life even was until you were able to comprehend things. Aprox. age 7. How many people do we have that are fostered? How many people do we have hungry? How many people do we have that are homeless? CONS you don't have an argument. The people against abortion are supportive to adoption but how many kids have they adopted? None. If I don't want my kid for a confidential reason, guaranteed the people against abortion wont either. You have no right to tell me that I can't have an abortion. Barack Obama said it himself, he has two great daughters that he continues to teach lessons and morals too, but if something does happen accidentally then he doesn't want them PUNISHED with a child. Totally ridiculous."
"you come with assumptions, your argument is useless. "How many people do we have that are fostered? If I don't want my kid for a confidential reason, guaranteed the people against abortion wont either." Have reasoning or don't commit. By the way, Becoming homeless can happen to any one. Success can to. Having an abortion isn't the solution to these problems. I also think that you aren't teach your child to value the lives of others, if you teach them that a child is a punishment."
"A child is NOT a punishment! Its a blessing from God. And, by the way, babies in the womb CAN feel. Its a proven fact. Watch The Silent Scream. It is ultrasonic filming of an abortion taking place. It shows the preborn baby in the womb, thrashing about, screaming, (silently, cannot be heard from outside) as it tries to avoid the suction device which is twisting and tearing its head off. Babies in the womb CAN feel pain. They develop their full nerve system by the time they are 12 weeks old. At 8 weeks old, the baby is FULLY developed. He has a heartbeat, organs, limbs, and his own singular fingerprints!He can frown, grimace, pee, and even suck his thumb. It is a FACT that he is NOT just a bunch of cells, but a living, breathing, moving HUMAN BEING!And termination (abortion) of this baby, is in actual fact, MURDER!!!!"
"When a mother is murdered how come there are not two murder charges? It is only one charge not two. You know, only because.....it's not alive yet....."
"i am pro life because the life of a child begins the very second it is conceived."
"I agree that the life of a child begins the very second it is conceived. I am pro-choice because it is not a separate life until it is born. It is interesting that you consider your statement to be pro-choice. Most "conception" types consider themselves to be pro-life."
"I'm pro, because it's the woman's right to choose. I actually love babies so just because I'm for abortion doesn't mean I hate them."
"The unborn child isn't a part of you. It is a separate person. It isn't part of your body, it is something that body is in your"
"Have you actually read a description of what happens to the baby during an abortion? If so, I have a hard time understanding how you can claim to love babies and yet support abortion?"
"It should not be a womans right to choose to asassinate the mst weakest and defenseless human being. It is not the womans body choices. Women don't have four arms and four legs when they're pregnant. Those extra appendages belong to the tiny human being(s) living inside of them. An individual's body parts all share the same genetic code. If the unborn child were actually a part of the mother's body, the unborn's cells would have the same genetic code as the cells of the mother. This is not the case. Every cell of the unborn's body is genetically distinct from every cell in the mother's body.In many cases, the blood type of the unborn child is different than the blood type of the mother. Since one body cannot function with two different blood types, this is clearly not the mother's blood."
"Abortion should be decided on the situation. Why should someone who has been in a situation where they had been sexually abused and impregnated not be able to choose whether they have the baby or not. Why should they have to keep a reminder of their suffering.But even though I say this, I dont believe that abortion should not be used as a way of birth control, "because you accidently got pregnant and are not ready for the child." If this is the case, have the child and put it up for adoption, there are plenty of women in the world who want children but are unable to have them.So even though my opinion are both for and against for the way abortion is used, I still say that it should be legal for those that have certain situations."
"You are nuts. First off, you think a woman should be punished for an accidental pregnancy? Forced to carry to term for 9 months, forced to undergo all of the terrible parts of pregnancy, risk dying while giving birth, and destroying her body, plus thousands of dollars in financial hardship, instead of undergoing a safe, painless procedure that causes a miscarriage? There is an over abundance of children in the foster system with no one adopting them. Babies and young Caucasian children get adopted. Millions of other unwanted children go from home to home, in and out of group homes before being cut loose with little to no support system at 18. You are a cruel person and should be ashamed."
"We know with 100% certainty that women are alive. Women have heartbeats and a brain that functions. As far as the fetus is concerned, when life begins is completely irrelevant. We do not require anyone else in society to be an obligate donor. No one is required to donate blood, marrow, or a kidney to anyone else, even their own child. Pregnancy is risky. 1 in 4800 women in the US die of pregnancy complications, and that is just the number that die. May more suffer complications, some minor such as losing the ability to control one's bowels, and some major, such as eclampsia. No one should be required to give their health, wellbeing, or life to another. That is a personal choice that must be given, not taken. Women have the right to control their health, wellbeing, and women have the right to protect their lives. Abortion protects this right."
"Charlie: I found the numbers. According to the Women's Center 0.6 per 100 000 abortion procedures result in death. So that is significantly safer than pregnancy."
"Charlie: Abortion is much much less risky than pregnancy. Please do look up the numbers. I believe the numbers right now are that over 85% of abortions in the US are in the first trimester, and first trimester abortions have a less than 1% major complication rate, and even those major complications dwarf the major complications associated with pregnancy.I actually know several woman who have gotten abortions, and none of them had any complication at all. However, I do know many women who have suffered seriously due to their pregnancy including an acquaintance who is now on permanent disability due to injuries as a result of her pregnancy."
"well you know what?! babies are alive too, from the moment of conception. they have a heart that beats by three weeks, and their brain functions by four weeks. most women don't even know they are pregnant until eight weeks. ABORTION IS RISKY!!!!! women bleed to death sometimes! PLEASE reconsider your thoughts. Babies are a wonderful precious gift from God! how could you be ok with killing them?"
"You do know that abortion can result in a lot of health complications right even when preformed by a doctor."
"As a woman, I wouldn't want anyone telling me what I can and cannot do with my body. Someone else's view on what I should do with my body should not determine what happens to it. If I get pregnant and feel like I am in no right place to take care of a child then I have the right to abort the fetus. If I was ever raped and I got pregnant from that rape, then why would I want a constant reminder of what happened to me? What if I could die from my pregnancy? There are so many reasons as to why abortions should be legal. This article shows the pros for abortion and they are all mostly medical reasons. The cons are reasons such as "god finds it wrong" or "the founding fathers did not want this for our country". Believe it or not America, but there are people who are not religious. Stop telling women what they can and can't do with THEIR BODIES."
"If a child is raped and their only 13 years old would you want your daughter to carry around a unwanted child for 9 months.... think about how much it would changes the childs life... forever."
"Every person has a different and unique situation. I would never condone forcing a woman to be pregnant when she doesn't want to be. Some people may look at a fetus and feel that it has a soul and it is a life. That is wonderful for them and I respect their opinions. But I don't see a fetus as an entity. I just can't. I don't like abortion. No one likes having to make that decision to terminate a pregnancy. There are many preventative measures today that nearly guarantee a woman from getting pregnant. I think the solution lies in educating youth and society about sex and how it works. Sex education works! Birth control, condoms, abstaining, the morning after pill, etc. But if a woman did become pregnant and she didn't want to be, then I could never justify making her carry to term. We need abortion to remain a safe medical process that can be accessed by all. Even if abortion is made illegal, women will still look for ways to abort. We do not want to return to the days of back-alley abortions.Simply put, abortion needs to stay legal."
"My personal reason why abortion must stay legal, not all children are blessed with loving carring parents some children here in America are forced to have children when they are still just children themselves for their so called parents profit, with abortion the child has a choice and a child unwanted is saved from a life of personal pain and suffering society puts on children as a whole. Even if the child has a baby and put it up for adoption the child forced to have an unwanted pregnancy her mental state and body will never be the same with abortion she can get rid of that part of the nightmare and start the road to healing no one should be forced to do the hardest job in the world ( parenthood ) not by choice, we have so many broken people here in this country that are hurting because they have no personal history ( geneolagie) because they came from a rape and the child was forced to keep it nether were given an education society looked down on the girl and the child feels cheated from the simple things of life the love and protection every child should have because the people that abused that little girl also abused the child from the rape, if abortions had been available nether child would have had to suffer."
"Of course abortion should be legal. The world is overpopulated and that's one reason it's good with abortion. Another is that life is mostly cruel and depression becomes more and more common. It's therefore very egoistic to create another being to this suffering, only because you yourself want a bit of fun with your child in your otherwise dark and empty life. A human life is of no worth in the big whole, it doesn't matter if someone is born or not, maybe on a personal level for the mother or people the born will get to know etc, but sooner or later they too will die and nothing but history will remain and it will to fade away to nothing,"
"One more thing I need to mention. In my opinion, no one should be able to take away a person's right to the freedom of choice. Everyone should have the right to choose what they want to do with themselves. If you think abortions are right, I'm fine with that, that's your choice. But I don't think it's ok for people to refuse to give people a choice in the matter. Like I said, everyone has the right to choice."
"@Genesis There are a few problems I have with you're statement, but I guess I should start off by saying that all of those methods that are used to prevent abortion (the exception being abstinence), are not a 100% guarantee. Also, do you have any scientific proof to back up your claims that abortion is murder, or are you just speaking from a personal or religious opinion, because I'm sure there are plenty of pro-choice people that would be glad to show you that life does not begin at conception. But in the end you'll probably just ignore and continue spotting the same stuff you always say, because that's just how "discussions" like this go isn't it."
"@Jamie the reason that abortion is different than the choices you're implying is that drinking and driving has physical consequence to outside forces, i.e. pedestrians, other drivers, and damage to property. Abortion, on the other hand, has no physical ramifications to an outside party. and before you give me the old argument of "but your killing baby's." I have actually tried to research the other side of the argument. The main problem I've run into is that there is no one definite opinion on where life begins. I've seen arguments ranging from it beginning at conception to beginning at birth, and everything in between."
"Josh we already do not give people the choice to drink and drive. You agree with this lost freedom to choose, right?So why are you against losing the freedom to terminate an unborn child?Saying that you are against limiting abortions simply because it limits choice is not a good argument. You must go further to explain why this choice (to have an abortion) is different than the choice to drink and drive."
"Abortion is murder and we say murder is wrong and they will be punished for their crime so doctors and woman that practice abortion should go to jail and plus if they didn't want to get pregnant their are so many ways to prevent pregnancy or don't have sex at all if your not ready to be a parent its not right to take a innocent life just because they didn't take the steps necessary to prevent pregnancy. Also their are so many couples that want a baby and cant so they should have the right to adopt a baby. Its funny that you think its ok to get in abortion since you already had the chance to live then its ok. Think about this what if you got aborted you wont like it. We don't know the pain that the babies go throw when they get ripped apart by the doctors"
"It's a woman's body, no one else's. SHE and NO ONE ELSE has the right to decide what is best for her. Men and women who have never had an abortion think it's okay to decide for someone else's body. you feel like woman are being selfish but aren't you? Do you really want a poverty stricken child because your god thinks they're bad? Dictate YOUR own life, not some one else's."
"I am pro because the rights of those who are already born come first. No one should be forced to give up time from work, income, comfort, health, and safety for someone they didn't even want to bring into the world. The fetus is non-sentient, it lives within another person for 9 months, and no one has the right to use another person's body without their permission. Pro-lifers want to give a fetus more rights than anyone else by allowing it to reside inside someone who does not give consent. Making abortion illegal also does not stop abortions. It makes abortions less safe and risks the lives of thousands of people. Abortion must be legal and remain legal regardless of the reason in which the pregnant person wants the abortion. You can not judge someone you do not know on their circumstances and if they want an abortion then they should have that right. If they want to go through with the pregnancy then that's their choice too and both should be fully supported."
"I believe in the women's right to choose because women will seek abortions due to their individual reasons. Most intelligent countries allow abortion to save the woman's life, and 59 countries to preserve health, 13 countries on socioeconomic grounds and 61 without restriction except many within 1st trimester. It is not as if we were a dying breed! It is not as if everyone who gives birth is a great parent! We have to have a license to drive but anyone can reproduce. We are the only industrialized country to turn abortion into a religious and legal argument!!! Like freedom of religion, it should be a personal choice!!!!!!"
"We are over populated and drowning in our own waste now"
"Who ever is getting the abortion could have a good reason for it which is not your business at all. What someone else does does not affect you at all so stay out of other peoples business."
"you have cnotrol of your body and whats inside it, if the baby cant feel and hasnt developed yet then who cares"
"That is why we need to step in and protect it. Matter of fact if you were raped you should understand how it feels to be forced to do something. You shouldn't want to force death on your child."
"20 weeks after contraception, the baby can feel. that is a set fact"
"iam pro because I WENT THROUGH AN ABORTION and it saved my life and i feel the life of the child. very bad place and time for a baby to come into this world."
"How did having an abortion save the life of the child if you killed it before it even had a chance?"
"if you dont like abortions, dont get one. Even if abortions become illegal people are still going to use an unsafe method to get rid of the fetus, which can be very dangerous and she could die as well as the baby."
"Reposting something from Tumblr user persephoneholly in retaliation to the pro-life message of "It's easy to be pro-choice when you're not the one being killed.":"It's easy to be be pro-life when you're not a struggling single mother of four others with cut food stamps.It's easy to be be pro-life when you're not a pregnant teenager.It's easy to be be pro-life when you're not a mentally ill patient.It's easy to be be pro-life when you're not wondering when your next meal will be.It's easy to be be pro-life when you're not the child of an abusive family.It's easy to be be pro-life when you're not in danger of dying from complications.It's easy to be be pro-life when you don't have a baby that will die a painful death anyway from a birth defect.It's easy to be be pro-life when you weren't raped.It's easy to be be pro-life when you planned your pregnancy and didn't need to worry about incredibly costly and sparce contraceptives.It's easy to be be pro-life when //you are not pregnant, or even female.//"
"I don't exactly know where I stand, but I do agree with some of the points that you said. I don't agree with killing but sometimes situations are out of our control. When everyone is judging a female for being pregnant and she is trying to make a decision on whether to keep the baby or not, often times the people don't take the woman into context and the reason why she may not be able to keep the baby. In this comment that I am writing, I can not completely express my feelings but I must say that being empathetic and taking everything into context or trying to relate can be important. Thank you for writing this because it main me stop and think and eventually put my life into perspective."
"It is inmoral to bring a child into the world who will suffer pain, hunger and abuse. It is unjust for a society to force a woman to have a child who will be unwanted and unloved. It is unjust for a society to condemn abortion if it is not willing to take full responsibility for the child who is being brought into the world against a woman's will."
"It is immoral to murder the baby! (And Babies in the womb can feel pain. They develop their full nerve system by the time they are 12 weeks old. At 8 weeks old, the baby is FULLY developed. He has a heartbeat, organs, limbs, and his own singular fingerprints!He can frown, grimace, pee, and even suck his thumb. It is a FACT that he is NOT just a bunch of cells, but a living, breathing, moving HUMAN BEING!And termination (abortion) of this baby, is in actual fact, MURDER!Is it unjust for society to condemn a murderer? And, is it just to "terminate" (murder) a child who has no choice in the matter?!?!?!"
"Be willing to pay taxes to allow people to get better access to contraceptives and better ones at that. Don't believe that its your job to make sure people who want to have sex have better access to contraceptives? Then dont be surprised that women decide to look out for themselves instead of what you strangers believe they should do with their bodies. Im going to get to privacy in a second."
"Last I checked none of you "CON" people are GOD! You have no right to judge. A womans body is her own..HER own! What she chooses to do with it is HER decision...not yours and certainly not the Governments. You don't know peoples situations, you don't know what's going on in peoples lives. It's so easy to sit back and look down on people whose shoes you have and never will walk in. It's a womans right to choose what is right for her...PERIOD!!"
"What about the child's body? Why doesn't the child have the right to choose what's right for him?"
"Just curious as I read your post about this concept of "her body". Obviously, a pro-life person believes that the unborn child is a living human being with their OWN body, but we disagree there.For now, I'm just curious if you can define more concretely why the baby should be considered "her body". Is it only because it is inside of her? Because it is connected with a cord?What if someone were to swallow a possession of someone else.. say a ring. You would not consider the ring to now be a possession of the one who swallowed it would you?Just curious to knwo more about why you feel that the baby is a part of the mothers's body and not it's own body."
"Just because I am pro-choice, doesn't mean I am pro-abortion. I would never get an abortion myself, but that doesn't mean I don't think women should have the right to choose. I don't walk around saying, "I hate children" or "I want babies to die!" so the argument from pro-life advocates saying "Don't kill babies!" is just plain idiotic. No woman with any feelings or emotions would ever want to kill a child. Getting an abortion is not an EASY decision for anyone."
"Kourtney, it is unclear from your post so I would ask you to clarify. then I'm sure some will respond.Do you believe that an unborn child is truly a fellow human being?I sincerely want to understand where your thoughts are. Do you believe the unborn are living human beings that simply do not have the right to life that born humans do?Or do you believe that the unborn are not human beings and only become human at some stage in their unborn life, or maybe not until birth?"
"Abortions should be legal. I mean who are we to tell someone they have to have a baby, maybe they can't provide for the baby, yes there's adopting but that just makes moms sad. Let women choose what's right. After all she is the one carrying the baby. Not you"
"Layna, a pro-life stance is that the baby is already "had" after conception. The moment to choose to have a baby or not is at conception, not during the pregnancy. No one should force another to "have" a baby, I'd agree.Whether or not the baby is born has no impact on whether or not the baby is alive or whether it is a fellow human being. Again, for a pro-lifer, this is already settled at conception.Your statement that "who are we to tell someone they have to have a baby" is perfectly acceptable to a pro-life person. Because we believe that the newly conceived baby is a human being with rights of their own at the point of conception, in our eyes, the baby is already in existence. The only way to "make someone have a baby" is to force them to get pregnant. I dont think anyone is for that, do you?Making someone give birth to a baby is not the same as making someone "have" a baby."
"I am 100% prochoice meaning that I support a woman's right to choose abortion, adoption, parenting, or if she is not pregnant, contraception. It is her pregnancy, her right, and her choice. Life does not begin until birth, so people need to chill out. I only support one restriction on abortion: it should be safe for the woman. To the antichoice crowd: answer two questions for me. If conception is so important, why did Jesus say to be born again, and why does Genesis 2:7 show Adam's life beginning after he was formed, not before? It is the Bible itself that made me prochoice, along with some logic. Here is a longer list of questions for prolifers compiled by me: http://www.writerscafe.org/writing/Ayyuba/1254396/ ."
"I love the question "How is forced pregnancy different than rape? In both cases, the woman's reproductive organs are being used against their will."Even better is the comparison between forced gestation and organ donation. If all life is so valuable, we should have mandatory blood and marrow donation. There should be kidney and liver donor drafts. And organ donation upon death should be mandatory. I looked it up and thousands and thousands of people die in this country every year waiting for organs, yet the "pro-lifers" are not fighting for them. Is seems hypocritical, and the more I think about it the more it feels like the "pro-lifers" really just want to control a group of people they think are vulnerable rather than protect any life."
"@Carroll Speights. I hope you get my reply. I could not find a reply button for you or Miri. Anywhoo, you need to come up with facts, and not baseless assertions. Did Adam's life begin before or after God breathed life into his nose, and did Jesus say to be born again or conceived again? I await you response, Sparky."
"@Miri B.: I completely agree. They should also fight for better healthcare including mental healthcare. Too many people like me are dying because of bad healthcare, and what about our troops?"
"What facts would you like me to come up with Ms. Ayyuba? I asked you how you supported your assertion that life doesn't begin until birth. I am still waiting on you to respond to that and also let me know if you support the killing of a child moments before birth. Your assertions are the ones wanting for facts so please provide them.If you take the context of the bible in it's correct form, then it can be assumed that life began when God breathed the breath of life into Adam. There are multiple verses that allude to life beginning before birth, and also verses that refer to people as having identity before birth. If you have faith that there is a God and that the holy bible is his inspired word for our teaching and directing, then please study it more thoroughly and stop cherry picking out of context or inserting your own "wisdom" into it. If otherwise stop referencing scripture that holds no meaning for you and that you would normally discount as the scribblings of bronze age goat herders. Also please understand that I am not against a woman's rights, but I am utterly against destroying the rights of an unborn child. If you disagree with this then please explain in detail."
"You assertion that life begins at birth, how do you support that? And do you then approve of killing children moments before they are born? We will "chill out" when you convince us that abortion is not the intentional murder of an unborn child. Until then we will not sit by like silent sheep while lies are purported as truth and millions of children are torn apart every year. Why do you think that Jesus told us to be born again? I will love to hear the reasoning you have for this. Adam's life began when God "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life", so when do you think that we receive this breath of life?"
"Abortion should be legal for several reasons1. Woman fought for THEIR RIGHT to choose therefore; it's NOT your decision. 2. Those of you arguing, "there is someone out there who would love to take your place, and be a mother." that's nice, so why are they not adopting? did you know about 40% of Children age out of foster care. just check out this site here: http://www.ccainstitute.org/why-we-do-it-/facts-and-statistics.html .3. How many of you Con people are really thinking and considering what this childs needs are going to be, as well as what kind of home they are going to be provided with? Do you truly think your beliefs are going to help this child once it's born? Don't be selfish.4. In all honesty do you consider the factor of the economy and the impact it will have if ALL fetuses were born into children?? 5. (my favorite) for those of you saying, "You should have taken the proper percautions." now think about this in a logical sense. You expect a woman to take care of her child after she can barely make simple decisions to protect herself? Grated some woman can, but not everyone is the same, some people take longer to mature.HAVE A HEART PEOPLE!!!"
"seriously your saying have a heart when your going pro abortion. why don't you read that line and think about it who has the heart the people trying to protect a life or the ones killing it. on top of that yea woman fought for their rights but that doesn't give her the right to take a the life of someone else in this case the baby and yea true 40 percent grow out of foster homes but your only looking at the negative 60 percent actually get a family and last time i check thats more than 40% and we do think of those things your saying but there alway is a way a much better one the abortion life is strugle for EVERYONE using this as an excuse to kill is cold and heartless and yes it could have an effect on the economy but the same go's to if abortion is legalize it wont help but hurt it and the children can actually help the economy and no but thats why there is adoption or other option and a child can actually change a person to good and make them mature more have a good day and get a heart"
"60% is more than 40%, but that doesn't mean that 40% doesn't deserve a family that loves them.>>>>>Last I checked that 60% isn't somehow going to compensate for the 40%. <<<<<Life is a struggle for everyone, it really is, but people who have a family to support them makes it better wouldn't you say?Being a mother doesn't change everyone (as I already stated, if you even BOTHERED reading thoroughly what I had posted) and I can say that from KNOWING mothers who have not changed. Can you?Obviously not because you're still "pro life", this title happens to be an oxymoron considering you people don't care about these children after they are born. This is why I say, "Have a heart""
"I'm a pro because it's there body, only if it was for ethical reasons such as baby having serious , mental , disabilit, handicap problems. If it was harming the mothers health, if she could not look after ANOTHER child or bring up a baby in poverty."
"I support abortion because its a woman's fundamental right given to them pursuant to Roe v Wade US Supreme Courtdecision. Abortion is an option when a woman's life is in danger in cases of rape and incest or if the mother life will be at risk. Another reason I support abortion is to control the population when poverty levels are high and there are not much resources for many women to raise a child. women need legal abortion services to prevent illegal abortion practices that could be at risk to the woman."
"so if part of your support of abortion is because of the current law, would you also support a ban on abortion of the law changed? Laws change, would your opinion change with it?When do you feel that the baby inside has it's own right to life? After birth? 1 min before birth? 1 month? When? I do sincerely want to know how you see it.Possibly you go by what RvW decided? This was a legal definition of a human being or a "person". "Person" is a legal term, not a scientific, philosophic, religious or common sense definition of what it means to be a human being.Viability is where I'd guess you feel we become our own human being as this is essentially what RvW was based on. But what happens if the age of viability changes over time? Advancements in the medical field have allowed us to lower that age of viability far sooner in life than a century 1/2 a century ago. Were the children conceived in 1900 somehow magically becoming human later than one born in 2000? This obviously cannot be.RvW gave a legal definition, it is a very poor means of defining humanity.I would sincerely like to know when you feel we become a new human being and have a right to "life" that is promised in our constitution."
"Yes abortion should be legal. It is a woman's life and uterus and forcing her to go through the misery of an unwanted pregnancy is wrong. Forcing her to go through a pregnancy she doesn't want isn't going to make her love the child and it isn't going to make her stop doing activities that could damage the fetus."
"I like the way a lot of anti-abortionists believe that having an abortion is selfish.Let us take a look at what "selfish" actually means:"concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself : seeking or concentrating on one's own advantage, pleasure, or well-being without regard for others" - Mariam-Webster Dictionary.Now that we know this, let's have a look at the reasons people have babies:1.) You want to create a family. Why? Give me one unselfish reason for wanting a family. I bet you can't.2.) To take on a new challenge. In other words, you get satisfaction from taking on a challenge. Again, that sounds like a pretty self-concerned reason.3.) I like children and want one of my own. So, why not adopt? Why does it have to be your own? Again, another "I want for me" reason.4.) To bring a life into the world. Why do you want to bring a life into the world? Because it makes you feel good about yourself, right?What I'm trying to say here, is that we are all technically "selfish". You can't use it as an argument against abortion unless you are currently raising a child that you do not love or want, so you might as well stop."
"Unselfish reason to have a baby: to create and raise a kind, intelligent person in attempt to make the world a better, kinder place. We are not completely selfish, at the very least not all of us. I don't believe I will be rewarded or punished for my actions in some afterlife and I don't do it for praise, shown in the fact that I am actually deeply emotionally wounded on a regular basis for caring and the degree would make it not worth it to me if that were my reason. That shows I am not just feigning unselfishness. I honestly, truly just love everyone and want to make the world better. I am sure that there are others like me out there and even if the improbable is and there aren't, then I alone would still prove that we are not all and don't all have to be selfish. I am not anti-abortion but your argument against anti-abortionists seems invalid."
"I'm pretty sure that the primary reason why someone is pro-life is because they feel abortion terminates the life of a living human being.Nothing about selfishness, just that someone innocent is being killed."
"My thoughts exactly!!! Great post!!!"
"I find these pro life, or antis as I call them, extremely comical with their viewpoints, and again, they don't understand that being pro-choice means IN FAVOR OF CHOICE, but ther ignorance and stupidity is higly amusing. They love to see poverty due to overpopulation, and increasing on interpol, the FBI and jail, especially when their taxes go to pay for the lifers, or death row inmates. Yeah, isn't it great that they want that, or their taxes going up, because there are too many people, and not enough jobs, and the kids resort to crime? Yeah, antis LOVE that, don't you, antis? You just don't want to admit it. We pros have the right idea, and you people just can't handle it, or deal with it. Amazing, and unbelievable, right?So, I say onto the antis with pride: More abortions, MORE ABORTIONS. Deal with it!!! End of story"
"OMFG I LOVED HOW YOU WERE SAYING MORE ABORTIONS MORE ABORTIONS!!!!! LOL :D YOU GO GIRL!!!!!! KEEP EM COMIN!!!!!"
"I will tell you why I am pro-abortion. I was pressured by my religious nut mother to get out and date but told I would be disowned if I ever got pregnant. I got pregnant, ran away from home to have the baby and threw her up for adoption when she was a few days old in 1965 before I had a choice. I've been tortured all my life, and in recent years I tried to find her. I did find not her but info on her. She died at only 45. She killed herself. She had been in prison, had been in therapy, had been expelled from school for cheating, had a bankruptcy on her record, had never married, had never had children, had made many suicide attempts until she succeeded. I found some of her rants online. She killed herself because she was adopted and read in books like Primal Wound there was a direct connection between her misery and being adopted. She said she felt dead and empty inside, she wished she had been aborted since religious folks say aborted babies go to Heaven and she was probably going to Hell now because she had tried in life and screwed up, working hard in the wrong directions because she did not know where she came from. I feel like I murdered her by throwing her up for adoption, cutting her away from her roots like a dead tree."
"I was adopted when I was four. Before that, I had lived with my abusive, drug addicted, alcoholic mother. She was only eighteen when she had me. The situation she was in is a perfect situation to justify an abortion. I am eternally grateful for her not aborting me. It is crazy to think that I easily could have never existed. I sympathize with you and cannot imagine having to discover that. But I commend you in that you did not give in and you kept your precious daughter. Her life could not have been 100% bad. At least she had the choice-the free will to live. You gave her that choice! I have certainly struggled in life with why my mother didn't want me or why I had to have been born and gone through the situations I have gone through. Yet I would not trade my life for anything. This is why I am pro-life. Everyone should have the chance to live. You did not murder her by throwing her up for adoption. Her own life took her down that path, not you. Don't beat yourself up over it. You did the right thing."
"It aint your fault. She was a victim of a broken mental healthcare system, not you. The grass is always greener on the other side, it seems. I hope you are doing well."
"Because anti-abortion is not about about murdering a child. It's about punishment and I don't believe in punishing someone for living their life. I also believe that a woman's body should be regarded like a man's body. we should be allowed to make a choice about what's best for us and our lives."
"when can come together, both pro and con on this issue, and nourish, love, and raise the children that have been *actually* been born in this world? 21,000 children die every day around the world and nobody is raising concern here for these suffering children? they could be saved...but left to die. let us love and care for humans that are living among us now instead of judging and pointing fingers. http://www.globalissues.org/article/715/today-21000-children-died-around-the-worldhttp://www.unicef.org/media/media_68359.html"
"Totally agree! Great point"
"I hold a moderate view on abortion. I support abortion if their is a risk of trauma to the mother and the baby is too young to survive, or the baby will die anyway."
"You shouldn't get an abortion if it's not dangering you, or did not concieve willingly. However, as the law would pertain to humans, human nature annoyingly looks to other ways to accomplish a goal if the main way is eliminated. It doesn't matter if the main clinics are shut down, they'll do it anyway. It's similar to gun laws-you shouldn't have a gun, you really shouldn't use one, but the problem-maker will do it anyway, and the side-effects of a back-alley abortion is worse. Making the problem illegal doesn't make the problem go away. This isn't a game, where making something illegal makes it impossible to do. Besides, it's none of your business unless you are getting on or plan to. Don't like abortions? Don't get one. Not your problem."
"amyrichard: Whether the fetus is alive has nothing to do with abortions. We require no one else in society to be obligate donors. You would probably think it was ridiculous if doctors showed up at your home demanding bone marrow because you were a match and someone would die without your marrow, but you seem to think nothing of forcing a woman to go to doctor appointments, change her lifestyle, and risk her health for someone she does not want to take such a risk for. We don't even require people to be organ donor after they die! yet somehow it is okay to force a woman to support a fetus for 9 months. It makes no sense regardless of whether the fetus is considered alive or not."
"I'm not sure who originally coined this phrase, but I've seen it repeated by many pro-lifers: "When you say don't like abortion, don't get one, we hear don't like murder, don't do it." Your argument on how illegalizing abortion won't get rid of abortion is spot on, but you left out one critical part of the debate which is whether or not the fetus is alive and if abortion is murder. This is not just a moral debate on how one views abortion, but also a scientific debate on what classifies as life."
"If a doctor believes a woman's health is at risk, whether physically or mentally then she should be allowed to choose whether to get an abortion. I know that could open a door to doctors allowing women to get an abortion even if they are fine, but this is already true with other factors. For instance, doctors have been busted already giving steroids out or medicinal weed to people who might not exactly qualify. People will always break the system, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't set laws."
"The ignorance behind the "con" arguments makes me really sad. Pro-choice is exactly what is says. Pro CHOICE. Not pro-abortion. No one is pro-abortion. It's almost as if people think the woman's life doesn't matter. If bacteria doesn't qualify as life then how can a single-celled fetus? Death of the mother in childbirth is on the rise. And at this point in my life, if I got pregnant, I would have an abortion. I'm a college senior, totally broke, and could not care for a child. Maybe my boyfriend and his ex didn't feel the same way when they had their son, despite having used multiple forms of birth control, but they had the choice. His ex had the choice. And it is her right to. And later in my life, I'd rather adopt than have my own child. There are already way too many kids in the system. I could go on and on about this forever, but the point is don't go jumping to assumptions and conclusions and making rash blanket decisions that affect thousands of living people. Don't just say "O but thatz rong cuz its killin a babies!" That's horribly disrespectful to those who thought long and hard about a choice they had the right to make. And please, keep religion out of the U.S. constitutional arena."
"Bacteria does qualify as life, you're thinking viruses. As for death of the mother in childbirth on the rise, you're absolutely true of that. Between 1913 and 1977 the mother's death rate dropped from 1 in 100 births to 10 in 100,000. But from 1977 to 2013 the statistics rose to 13 in 100,000. The reason for this mainly has to do with obesity (it appears to be the cause of every problem in America), age (women are putting off childbirth until settled in their careers. Some put off childbirth untill their forties and doctors have noticed higher blood pressure and health problems involved), and lastly mistakes with caesarean sections (Because even doctors make mistakes). (I got this information from an NBC article, bing it.) I agree with you, let's keep religion out of the debate. From the moment the sperm meets the egg, a unique being is created with genetics no other person has. This being is not fully developed from our point of view, just as a child is not fully developed from an adult's point of view. When out of the womb it has no memories of the womb just as an Alzheimer's patient has his or her difficulties with memory. You're right. It is easy to jump to conclusions that affect thousands of people when you cannot see them."
"Abortion should be legal in America due to such cases as poverty, overpopulation, financial crises, rape cases, or even death. Yes rape cases are only one percent but think about it. We should not based everything on religion, we should balanced both religious views and facts before we come to a conclusion about whether or not women should have an abortion. In religious view, it is wrong to kill someone, but the truth is, according to the facts the fetus is not considered a human yet at the first week of conception. If you took life science and covered it, it is considered a zygote and not human, it does not have any features yet and does not have a heart of anything because it is still developing and it takes time for it to become human. All in all, we do not have the right to decided whether or not a person could have an abortion, the same as same sex marriage. We are not god, we are not superior, we can't decide of people, they have to decide of themselves."
"We are not basing pro-life beliefs just on religion. If we look at things from a scientific position, at the moment of conception an individual is created with genetics that no other individual has. A zygote is still human. The cells are human cells even if it doesn't look that way. It's not its own species."
"There are woman out there who try to prevent pregnacy and end up pregnan regardlesst. A woman should have a right to what happends to her body. Yes, the child is its own being but being totaly dependent on the mother, I feel the woman should have the choice if she wants to deal with a pregnacy or abort the child. "
"Lily: An abortion is a responsible decision and response to a pregnancy. It isn't "avoiding consequences" at all, but a responsible option. 9 months is a long time to ask someone to donate their body and change their lifestyle. Being pregnant is hard on a body and a person, and not something everyone wants to do. Pregnancy requires a woman to give nutrients and oxygen to the baby, and avoid certain activities and foods. It is insulting to say that a woman is worth so little, that she should be required to give her health, wellbeing, and energy to another against her will. It always astonishes me when abortion stories are told with conditions like "she already has four children who need her" or "her ill mom will suffer while she is on bed rest." Why must a woman always be taking care of another human being? Also valid reasons are things like "She has a fulfilling job that contributes to society and she won't be able to reach her full potential having a baby right now" or "She is in college studying to become a professional." Women have value above and beyond being a uterus, and no one else (you, me, a patient needing a kidney, or a fetus) has a right to her body and health without her permission regardless of her reasons."
"Seriously? Deal with a pregnancy? So mistakes shouldn't have consequences? If birth control fails, oops, have the baby and learn from your mistake and change your birth control methods. 9 months is all it takes to offer someone the chance at life. Adopt out."
"I'm pro for abortion because it is the mother's choice. It could've been a mistake, she could've gotten raped, and even though it's her child, and she should love it regardless, why should she keep I child that reminds her of a horrible and traumatizing time in her life? Or keep a child that was made in a one night stand. Not that having a child would mess up your life, but to have a child, you need both mother and father involved in his/her life. There really isn't any way to contact someone who you just had a one night stand with."
"Amy, you're talking to a person who grew up with no father and who's mother had her at 18. First of all, I'm not discriminating against anyone. And second, I'm nothing near being homophobic either, my best friend is gay, so do me a favor and stop putting words in my mouth. Thankyou."
"Thanks for discriminating against single parents and gay parents by claiming that a child needs both a mother and a father. Single parents and gays can do just as good of a job raising children. Not having a male influence to help you raise a child isn't an excuse to have an abortion. You can still do a good job as a mother or if you don't feel confident or don't want the responsibility you can give the child up to adoption. A lack of a male in your life is no excuse to extinguish a unique being."
"Lily, here's a thought, people do whatever they want whenever they want. Nobody's going to listen to you just because you tell them not to."
"They don't make bad parents. And I have no religion, so to me it's just, do what you want to do. I will say that it is a little difficult for them to raise a child to to expenses and society, but hey, I made it out fine. I don't see why anyone else couldn't."
"I'm sorry Kyara. You wrote that a child needs both a mother and father involved in their life and I clearly misunderstood you. Could you please clarify that statement for me and how you do not mean that single parents or gay parents would make bad parents? I do not mean to put words in your mouth. I'm just trying to understand your point. And also having gay friends does not mean you support gay unions. One of my closest friends is Christian and says she has no problem with her gay friends. But she argues against gay marriage and believes homosexuals would make terrible parents even though she loves this friend very much. I disagree with her and I would like to know how you stand because not every gay couple, infertile couple, or single parent are wealthy enough to afford invitro fertilization or the lengthy process of adopting outside of the United States."
"Alright. Then you are living proof that a child raised without both parents can turn out well. Why are you still pro-choice?"
"Here's a thought, don't have one night stands. If you do get pregnant due to a one night stand it only takes 9 months of your life to give someone a lifetime."
"Should abortion be legal? There is an average of 1.3 million abortions per year and One out of five pregnancies end in abortion. Women aged 20-29 receive 55% of all abortions, and 40% of all women have an abortion by the age of 45. Although there are about 1,800 abortion providers in the United States, 87% of US countries do not provide abortion services. According to Harry Reid , the Senate Majority leader , believes that abortion should be legal due to safety reasons. Harry Reid said ,"I think that no matter how you stand on the issue of abortion, people who make that decision should do it and not have to be worried about infections and some butcher like this doing the bad things that they did. It should be in a place that is clean and sterile and have people who know what they're doing and care about what they do."I personally think abortion should be legal because either way people try to prevent it, woman will always find a way to have an abortion. Why risk their lives when there can be many ways to control this process. People should open more clinics that provide more professionals that know this procedure."
"Abortion should remain legal under the roe vs wade decision, and follow the limitations laid down by that ruling and further rulings. There is no scientific reasoning to say that "a" human being begins at conception .. sure there is life, but life that is no different to any other cell in the human body.The fundamental argument of the anti-choice campaign is primarily religious based, again a premise that has no logical foundation in scientific fact. Should we therefore base laws on unproven theology, as apposed to proven science. Point of fact, prior to the formation of the embryo all the cells are the same, yet some will become the embryo, others will become the placenta, if, as anti-choicers insist, that "a" human being starts at conception does this not mean that the cells that become the placenta are also worthy of human rights and should be protected? Clearly that idea would be inane even to the anti-choice people.Moralistic arguments have little value in this debate given that morals are fluid and a likely to change through societies developments. The stoning of non-believers was considered morally just in Jesus's time, is that still correct?"
""no different from any other cell in the human body"This is completely untrue. There is NO OTHER cell like the fertilized egg in the human body. It is alone in its qualities.If not terminated the zygote will grow into a full adult human. No other cell can do this. Your statement is completely false.The pro-life stance IS NOT religious based. No religion is required since Science, Philosophy and Common Sense all already agree that it is a human being. You have nothing contrary to what Science, Philosophy and Common Sense tell us.. let alone Religion. We can base a law on science, philosophy and common sense... all very good alone.When RvW is overturned, I wonder if you'll honor the law as you say you wish for now?"
"It is the right of a woman and the government shouldn't have anything to do with it. There is too many teen pregnancies and single mothers struggling to get by. When you have a kid, it should be because you want to not because you have to; no kid deserves to grow up thinking that he/she is what ruined the mother's life."
"If the only reason the mother has an abortion is because they don't want the child... why not adopt out? Not all children that are adopted out feel neglected. Shouldn't the child have a chance to overcome the obstacles of life?"
"Well first, Teen's should be more careful and you can always adopt out. You shouldnt just murder the baby because, you dont want it. that is plain wrong. and i was adopted and i am perfectly happy with my life."
"why does it always have to be half and half here where is the middle ground.don't you consider that there are different situations surrounding every case. if your about to go into labor and want and abortion that makes zero sense. while getting one in the beginning months is painless to the fetus they won't be aware of it in the first place. in most cases abortions should be legal espicailly if they endanger the life of the mother. I also believe that if the mother chooses abortion for a non medical reason that is her choice.the fetus is hardly aware of anything to be honest and when I was a baby I had no memory of that time period rarely anyone does.really its not our concern what happens to the fetus until its born. also abortion doesn't happen only in our species it happens with other mammals like fish naturally.even the human body in its own way has millions of abortions. do you realize how hard it is for a zygote to be formed much less pass through the immune system undected and make it to the uterus without being attacked by white blood cells!!!???90 percent of time the body will attack the egg before it can even result in pregency or it will die.plus the body miscarries to. abortion is actually a natural process that happen"
"So if someone is unaware of their surroundings or does not have a good memory then it is alright to get rid of them? Is this how we measure life: intelligence? What about mentally retarded people or older people suffering from alzheimers? Is their right to life dismissed because they are not as mentally aware as you or I? The debate is not over natural abortion, it is over intended abortion. Death is natural and inevitable too, but that does not mean people should put themselves in dangerous situations."
"I'm also submitting a comment to the other side. The freakonomics study is flawed. Crime went down 20 years after lead, a know nuerotoxin, out of the environment and lead levels decreased in blood screening in children. The same drop was seen in England a few years later. They banded lead later, but legalized abortion in 1967. Correlation does not mean causation. I remain generally, reluctantly pro-choice. But we will never be able to discuss this if we use bad science (see my con comment)."
"Abortion should be legal in some cases. It should not be legal in others.SHOULD:You are 16, in school, and plan to graduate and go to college. One day you are raped. You become pregnant. You do not want to continue with the pregnancy because it will hurt your grades and education. You should be allowed to have an abortion because the pregnancy was not your fault. SHOULD NOT:You are 30 years old. You are married and in a stable career and life. You have all the kids you want (7, 2, 0, whatever) One night you have sex without using a form of birth control. You get pregnant. You do not want to continue the pregnancy because you do not want a/another child. you should not have an abortion because the pregnancy was your fault."
"The ending of a human life is different than the ending of an animals life due only to humanities sentience. We hunt things like deer, rabbits, and buffalo because they are not sentient. An unborn fetus is not sentient. It cannot learn. It cannot be subjective. In fact a human is not sentient until around the age of 2. However post-birth abortion is murder. There should be no question of this."
"i was looking through the pros and cons and i saw in the cons something about there shouldn't be discrimination towrd babies that will have deformitiesi really have one commment on that and its did you know that in the past there are people who have filed wrongful life court cases against their parents becasue their deformities are so badthere are parents who chose to have a child despite the fact that they knew they would have awful deformities and those children when they turned into adults sued their parents becuase the had to live with awful deformities i'm not really sure why i commented this but its whatever"
"Before beginning, abortion is not the murder of a child/baby/human being/living being. By definition, humans are not living until birth. The fetus is reliant on the mothers body. While it may develop it's own limbs and organs later, it is still sharing nutrients and oxygen through the mothers blood until birth. Abortion is a choice, and if you don't like/support them, then don't have an abortion. It is unjust to take away the right of another living, breathing human because of personal beliefs. The argument that only 1% of women get abortions because of rape is unreliable to an extent, considering not all rapes are reported or are reported past the statute of limitations. A woman being to young to give birth can lead to early delivery and serious birth defects. Financial stability can change the outcome of a child's life. A woman should not have to give up her life for a life that hasn't yet started. There is no sense in stipulating the future of a fetus when the future of a living human has a more predictable outcome."
"So when the child moves it is not alive..... Then again adoption is ALWAYS and option"
"People are saying that this should be illegal because murder is a sin in the bible. Then they went to say that murdering a child is the worst murder imaginable. If you are going to use the bible to defend yourself, then you need to read more than what you want to hear because it says that all sin is equal. Therefore, if you lie to a person then you may as well be murdering them because it is equal in the eyes of god."
"The purpose of the religion is to follow morals, than again your right all sin is equal, but it is the means of preventing it to make you a better person."
"the government should NOT control the woman's body. would you want someone else telling you what you can and can't do with your body? i wouldn't. there needs to be a choice for her. I'm not saying she has to have an abortion... adoption is perfectly fine, but the woman shouldn't be forced to go through the 9 months carrying the baby and then childbirth. what if she is poor, young, single, in school, sick, not ready or able to care for the child? or what if the baby is sick? I've noticed that the con people think about the baby more then the women. um she's the one in control. she's the one carrying the baby. she's the one actually alive and living. us pro people aren't against babies, we're for women rights. who isn't? obviously people who think its okay to force women to do something they don't want to do. AND IF ABORTION IS ILLEGAL, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN UNPROFESSIONALLY AND UNSAFELY. THAT IS NOT OKAY. ABORTION NEEDS TO STAY LEGAL. like duh."
"Women have the right to decide whether they want to carry something in their body. The majority of abortions are had by women who were using contraception regularly when they got pregnant. Abortion is so expensive it will obviously never be used as contraception. The sources, authorities and organizations that claim fetuses cannot feel pain and that abortion does not lead to breast cancer are more legitimate and likely to be correct than those on the other side. Abortion is safer than childbirth. We have FAR more people up for adoption than will ever be adopted. An aborted child could become a doctor or a serial killer. Forcing them t o be born and raised in poverty SEVERELY decreases the likelihood them or their siblings or parents will ever become productive scientists or be able to even afford an education, etc. Population growth is a real problem, not some conspiracy. When having sex, consent can end and it can become rape. Consent can be revoked. Getting in a car to go to work admits that a car accident is possible, but does not mean that you consent to being in an accident. Eating cookie dough is not consent to salmonella. Sex is not consent to pregnancy, even when it is a possibility. Abortion needs to be an option."
"You have the right to do what you want with your body."
"A woman has the right to do whatever to her body. So no one should deny her the right to do what she thinks is best."
"Sure its your body, and you are correct saying that you should control what you do with it, but the body inside of your body is not your body. Since when did you have two heads? How about 2 sets of arms and legs?? Just saying you shouldn't be able to kill a body that's not yours..."
"People say that abortion spares the life of a child, well have you ever thought about that child's well-being after they are born? The struggles they might go through having to be raised by a parent that isn't ready for a child, or having to go through foster care. Before 5 weeks, a fetus isn't even aware that it exists. If the fetus is aborted prior to that point in time, it can't hurt the fetus because it doesn't even know it's alive."
"What right does anyone to tell another how to use their body? Lots of people I've debated say, "It's killing a baby." So? What's it to you? Generally, most people won't know a person who's had an abortion, or they do, and they just keep it a secret. What stake does anyone have on whether or not some fetus lives or not? The life isn't even that special. For one, it hasn't been born yet. It doesn't have any experiences. It's alive, but only at the most basic level. Killing a born baby would be wrong, since they are alive, and have the capacity for emotions. But a fetus? A fetus can't tell it's alive, it's still developing! I've also been told that all life is sacred. I'm sorry to say not in this world. We have about 7 billion people on earth, why is this unborn babies life worth to you? What stake do you have? If it's legalized, and you're Pro-Life, then you don't have to have one. Keep your baby. Don't push it on others. To make one last point, how enjoyable would the life of a baby whose mother didn't want him be? Do you think the mother would raise it well? Give it everything it needs? Maybe there are some that would, but countless babies would be neglected, and our foster system is not on the lookout for more babies."
"On a airplane flight between Kansas city and Miami, Julie Killen went into labor and gave birth to a child. When she arrived at the airport, she dumped the baby into a garbage can.Two days later the dead child was found. Julie was charged with murder and pleaded guilty.If she had had an abortion one week before she gave birth, she wouldn't be in trouble with the law. The abortion would have been legal.A man named Dr. Nathanson took a video of a woman having an abortion (The silent scream), which shows the preborn baby in the womb, thrashing about, trying to avoid the suction device which is tearing off its head. Viewers saw the child opening its mouth, trying to scream. They saw the baby dismembered, its head crushed, as it was sucked out of the womb. Babies in the womb can feel pain. They develop their full nerve system by the time they are 12 weeks old. At 8 weeks old, the baby is FULLY developed. He has a heartbeat, organs, limbs, and his own singular fingerprints!He can frown, grimace, pee, and even suck his thumb. It is a FACT that he is NOT just a bunch of cells, but a living, breathing, moving HUMAN BEING!And termination (abortion) of this baby, is in actual fact, MURDER!"
"Allowing abortion directly contradicts the Founding Fathers' intentions for an unalienable right to life in the United States. The Declaration of Independence  states that "[A]ll men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The founding fathers said all MEN are created equal... etc... etc..."
"Exactly. They said "unalienable Rights, that among these are LIFE...""
"I'm actually very curious about the point for "Abortion as an effective method of population control". In a world where our resource pool is slowly deteriorating, and our population is slowly rising, this is a valid concern. But on topic. Does anyone have any sources for studies regarding trends of population density in areas that frequently practice abortion as opposed to those that don't?"
"There are two kinds of sex: consensual and nonconsensual.Consensual sex in any way should have informed participants that are prepared to face any consequences inherent with intercourse. There are several methods of prevention, many of them possible in the actual process of sex without any surgical or medical intervention, so in my eyes there's no real excuse for wanting to do it but also retaining the right to abort because "we didn't want a child".Nonconcensual sex is a different beast entirely, and personally, I don't feel that any woman should have to legally subject her body and mind to 8+ months of drastic change based on someone else's opinion regarding the value of human life, when this condition wasn't even something she agreed to.Insisting that a raped woman has to keep the child for the child's sake is keeping her helpless in a situation that she was helpless in to begin with. They're both beings, and thus they both have rights, but the mother is the one immediately dealing with the consequences of their situation, and so I still firmly believe it's her choice on whether or not to abort."
"I believe in abortion not for personal reasons because i would never do that but because i don't think it would be right to take away a woman's right if she wanted to have a baby or not"
"Abortion should be legal because all women have a right to do what they want with their body. Most people think its a sin to get an abortion, but its not. But not everybody can care for a child, there is the option of adoption, but who would want to do that? The child will grow up and wonder "why did my parent(s) put me up for adoption? Did they not love me?" Abortion should be a legal option, for all women."
"We'll all you negative people aren't even considering std if either the mother or the father has an std the baby is most likely to die within the first year anyway. Abortion is a way to go out without forcing your baby to suffer."
""Most likely" is better than "definitely." when you have an abortion, the baby has zero chance of living. If you have an STD the baby still has a pretty good chance of living."
"In cases where the mother is in danger i.e. pregnancy in the fallopian tubes or otherwise harmful pregnancy scenarios, abortion may be necessary to ensure the safety of the mother."
"I am pro because in some sitiuations a women should be aloud to abort.People would rather abort then see their child suffer.Many women are single-mother and they dont have the economy."
"We should never allow the Government to infringe on the personal choices of Americans in their private lives. This is a "religious debate" about when human life begins. Why should a minority religious belief be forced on all Americans. No one wants to kill human babies for any reason but a religious minority want to force their religious based beliefs on everyone else. What will come next? If we allow this to become such a burden on our freedom to choose our own religious beliefs then it might not be long before we start passing laws that impose any one religions beliefs on the majority of Americans. That is not religious freedom or separation of Church and State as guarenteed by our Constitution."
"abortion should be legal because it up to the woman to make that choice"
"It's a basic human right! Women deserve the right to choose. Taking away a women's right to abortion is anti-feminist. Take it from this standpoint, (this is directed towards men) if you had to hobble around with a giant bulge, that could affect you physically and mentally, then you should be able to make the choice to abort the child. If the women is not capable of taking care of the child she has all the right to abort the child. Please, take a moment to understand that women who are forced to give birth to children they aren't able to take care of are forced to suffer, and sacrifice their career, health (mentally and physically,) as well as her life goals."
"So you'd kill an unborn child to to avoid the "inconvenience" of being pregnant? Adoption is an option. Some women like you play up pregnancy as this horrible physically damaging event. But it's not. Its funny of you ask a woman who got pregnant intentionally she'll tell you it's the most beautiful experience in her life. Yes its your body BUT nine months of a healthy pregnant is definitely Not a viable excuse to kill the unborn baby for its 9 month temporary stay. Saying "its my body and my choice" would be like saying killing someone with your bare hand s and because you chose to do it, it makes it OK. Last the baby is in your uterus because you chose to have sex. You could have 100% prevented it."
"The fetus belongs to the mother, not the government. They should stay out of it."
"so just because a child belongs to someone they have the right to take their life? what you are saying is that any law involving killing someone shouldn't be in affect because no one belongs to the government"
"Sometimes, abortion is bad, sometimes its good. But even if you make it illegal, people are still gonna do it. Instead of being safe, though, they will be highly unsafe. Approximately 68000 maternal deaths are caused by these "back-alley" abortions. Thats a lot of deaths that could be reduced if more places made safe abortion possible."
"I definitely believe that women should have the right to abortion. What if someone gets raped and then is forced to keep the baby? This could could cause serious mental health inflictions on the mother. Every day they would wake up and remember that this baby is from the man who raped her I believe that abortion should be available to all women because in some cases it is not the woman's fault nor choice to conceive."
"The PRO to abortion is that maybe someone got raped, or they just can't take care of the baby. Why bring a human being in this world if the parents can't take care of him/her. Abortion should be legal for good not bad. I"
"what if the mother of the unborn child has a major chance of dying when the baby is born. both the mother and the baby could die from lack of oxygen from the mother suffocating. abortion would be easier on the mother, and the baby would not have a prolonged death. but if a family is waiting to adopt the baby, then just suck up the pain and deliver the baby for the awaiting family."
"The main argument I see with the cons is that they don't want to end a life. Should we make masturbating for men illegal because their sperm will become babies one day and by me masturbating (sorry to disturb anyone) I am wasting potential babies. So how far should we go before we consider a potential baby alive? I personally feel once it's born."
"I'm PRO because I believe that every female has a right to their own body, thing's happen and women can't always control the fact that they got pregnant. In some cases women are not in a position to raise a child at that period in their life and they need a way out. Teen pregnancy, Poor living conditions, etc. I believe that abortion is not murder and should not be called murder, because the women giving up the life of he child isn't doing it in a malicious way, they are merely just trying to save that child from being forced into an unsuitable living condition. I'm 14 and I believe that if something were to happen to me today, and I became pregnant I would want to be able to have options. I believe no Country/state has the right to deprive me of whether or not I want to create life."
"I have an extremely cruel point of view on this subject. I'm not religious, and I don't think the afterlife exists. I think bad things happen at random, as do good things. I don't believe in things such as souls, however the concept of our complex brain neurons composing our personalities seems plausible. I think our lives are only important if we use them to better the world in general. I don't think we have a purpose. So I think a fetus in a womb is as insignificant as a sperm cell going to waste through masturbation. The con argument is that we're denying life to a baby, right? Well I'm denying a potential life right now by not having sex with a stranger to make a baby. That baby will never exist or get a chance at life. And that's the way the world works sometimes. It's cruel and random and realistic."
"your parents didn't abort you"
"At the end it only women can make the decisions and it's no one's business, even if abortion would become illegal woman around the world would still go through this process so might as well make it safe. So ultimately if it's her body it's her choice!"
"I believe women should have the choice of whether or not they want to have a child. If it is an accident, or even rape, then she should have the choice of whether or not they want the kid."
"A man shouldn't have a say unless he is willing to assume the responsibilities of the child and the mother. Religion is a great thing that provides with moral guidance, but it can also be used as an excuse to hide behind. Religious men, please don't scream and shout about life. You are not the ones who will be carrying something within your body for nine months and suffering through all the discomfort, plus the extreme pain at the end. And that's only the beginning. Abortion is not an easy choice to make - for anyone. It weighs on the conscious. You think the mother is not aware of the life she ends? It's her own flesh and blood, she will know more than any of us here. A woman needs to consider if she is financially, physically and emotionally/mentally ready for a child. She also needs to consider the needs and conditions of the child. Imagine being a mother and not loving your child. Imagine being a child and knowing you are viewed as a punishment or worse yet, as a painful reminder of rape. This is not always a selfish act. Perhaps the child will thrive, but what about all the sufferings mother and child need to go through? Abortions also cause physical harms, and adoptions can be even more painful. There is just no easy way."
"I don't think you understood my points, jcauldren. The idea that I am expressing is that it is no more ethical to put a child into a life of suffering than to terminate his/her life, in order to avoid said situation. The reason why I am pro is not just for the mother, but mostly for the child. I love children, and I see no reason why we would want to put them into a life of poverty, of abuse, of hatred and of despair. For if the mother cannot care for the child, or simply doesn't care at all, what monster are we for allowing these heartbreaking stories to happen? Can you imagine how the child could be damaged?In fact, if the unborn children can be aborted safely and legally, why would we need to think about killing born children? I do believe then that you have raised a moot point."
"Artemis, you appear to understand and believe that the unborn is a living human being; do I have that right?Your argument that there should be an option to terminate the child because of anticipated hardship is flawed. If you believe it is not flawed, then why not extend this option to parents of born children? I highly doubt that you would condone this, but you do condone this for an unborn child.So, If the unborn child is alive and is a human being the same as you and I (you do agree they are living humans; nothing less - correct?), why do you feel its acceptable to terminate it, but it's not okay to terminate a born child?Can you explain this difference? or explain if you do feel it's okay to terminate born children as well?"
"Abortion should be legal because if the women who got pregnant is forced to have the child, then the child would be unable to develop its needs as a human, proven through Maslow's hierarchy of needs. This psychological theory states if you do not have security of family, poverty, or mind then you cannot develop traits such as love and belonging or esteem for oneself. Without these traits, the child will lead a miserable and possibly psychopathic life. With an abortion carried out by a registered doctor, the women retains no sickness or infection. Also, according to the Guttmacher Institute, 9/10 of all abortions are done during the first trimester of pregnancy. This is before the fetus develops any vital organs. All of the Con arguments have seemed to omit this fact. They seem not to understand even the basics of pregnancy, and because of this fact cannot be trusted to put forth an argument on either side. This overwhelming evidence proves that abortion should be legal. Because women have the right to choose, children raised in an unstable environment don't completely develope, and 90% of all abortions are operated before the fetus develops organs, women should have the right to choose whether or not to have an abortion."
"Thank you for the reply. I do believe that the hierarchy of needs does affect the quality of life, and if these children aren't provided with these necessities they can't possibly live a fulfilling life. They would be miserable in their everyday lives. Most, if not all, of these children would have a detachment disorder, one that would inhibit their everyday lives and connections with people. Also, as of this September it was estimated that 400,000 children are in the United States Foster System. How could a child be treated as an individual when these amazing people in the system? Now, moving to your comment about when we become living beings with feelings. We can only begin to feel once our brain develops. The limbic system is one that develops once our brains have developed. You will recognize the brain as a vital organ, (I hope) one that has not developed in the first trimester. In conclusion, women have to right to do what they want with their body and it should be kept that way. Thank you for your very interesting and thought provoking comment, and I hope to hear some more of your ideas in the future."
"I dont see that Maslow has included the conclusion you've arrived at with regard to the hierarchy of needs being a justification for abortion. Is that your own idea?What if a born child were to be placed in a scenario that did not meet these requirements in a manner that you would justify termination of an unborn. Would you condone terminating a born infant if that were the case? I would assume not, but please confirm.Can you also confirm your stance on when we become a living human being? You mention vital organs, but you do not say when you feel we become a human being and so, I assume, you would then also be against terminating an unborn child.At what point would be for dictating what the mother can do with the baby... at birth? 1 month before birth? 1 min before birth?I do sincerely want to know."
"People deserve the option, even if they don't use it"
"I think that it is a women's choice whether or not she can have an abortion. No one should have to take that away. America is supposed to be the land of the free, meaning that we should be able to chose. It's a Women's choice. If she knows that she can't support it then its best to just abort rather then having a baby in an unstable environment. Within the first tree-mester the baby isn't fully developed if anything its just a centimeter big so is it really a human being? In the end it is a women's choice and no one should have to take that away."
"I grew up in an "unstable" environment. Now, Im married with 2 health and happy children.Justifying abortion out of convenience is a really barbaric and shallow means of justification.Would you agree that at some point abortion should be banned? 3rd trimester? Sometime during the 2nd? At what point would you agree to "take the choice away from the woman?"...as you put it."
"I see some misconceptions on the con sides, so I wanted to post some facts:1) You can view abortion statistics by going to the CDC's website and looking them up. It shows that abortion is a relatively safe procedure. It is significantly safer than pregnancy and labor. You can also come to this conclusion by realizing that a dilation and curettage (D&C) is common to treat fibroids, polyps, and excessive bleeding. 2) The American Psychological Association, which lists their statement and references, states that abortion is not associated with increases in mental health issues. For anecdotal evidence, you can read stories at the 1 in 3 campaign. In contrast, adoption is associated with mental heath issues (which psychologists keep debating, so more research to come).Stating that "the start of life" dictates abortion rights is a convenient over-simplification, that is just not true. A woman is clearly alive and has rights to liberty and control of her body. Pregnancy carries risk and this risk is not known at the time of conception. Some women suffer eclampsia and die quickly, others just get gestational diabetes. Asking a woman to play Russian roulette with her life is a huge request, and not one we make of others."
"jcauldren: I've read a few of your replies to other people, and you seem to intentionally misinterpret people. You also seem to really dislike women making decisions. But just in case you aren't really a troll, I decided to respond.As my last paragraph explains, your insistence that "the start of life" dictates whether abortion should be permitted is a gross over-simplification. My need of another's body to survive does not suddenly require that individual to give me their body. This is true for adults, children, and fetus's. Pregnancy is dangerous. About 800 women die a day due to pregnancy complications. This is just the number who die; many more suffer serious injuries.I consider myself pro-life. I am pro all life. Pro women's lives, pro women's health, pro children's lives, pro men's lives. But I do not think anyone's right to life allows them to use another person's body to maintain their life. If I need a blood transfusion, I cannot demand this from you. If a fetus needs a uterus, it cannot demand this of any woman."
"jcauldren: Are you aware that there have been court cases where a family has gone to court trying to force an organ donation for a family member? Guess who lost? No one owes anyone parts of their body no matter what they do or how closely they are related. But for some reason although the courts made the correct decision in the past, suddenly this is a question for women."
""intentionally misinterpret" - I'm sorry you feel that way. Can you give me an example. I admit when I dont understand and I usually ask the poster to clarify."dislike women making decisions" "a troll" - personal attacks are really out of place in a debate. Let's remain civil and discuss. I wont fight with you, so please keep it civil so we can get to the bottom of this very important topic.When you describe the stage of life called "conception" and pregnancy as well as a generic "need for another's body", I am tempted to agree.With such a over-simplified description, sure I can agree. However, I do not consider pregnancy the same thing as having the same blood type. Its flawed to do so. Pregnancy involves a man and woman committing an act to CREATE a new person. The responsibility of the creators to the created seems plain to me. How do you address this responsibility that I say they have to the created?In your example of blood transfusion, you have the potential donor with absolutely no attachment or responsibility to the inflicted person. Of course it would be wrong to randomly force people to donate their bodies. Pregnancy is not random though, right?"
""abortion is safe"I think you are missing the point if you believe that the foundation of a pro-life stance is that it's not safe for the mother.The foundation of pro-lifer's stance is that it's not safe for the baby 100% of the time.I assume you are pro-choice, but is there any point at which you would vote to eliminate a woman's choice and prohibit abortion? When is that point? 1 min before birth? 1 month? when?Can you also explain why?My point in asking is that if we all agreed on when the world has a new human being in existence (at conception or at birth or some place inbetween) then this abortion debate would be pretty straightforward and short (or so I would think).I feel the root issue is when we all feel that the unborn child actually is a human being. When do you feel this is? Would you vote to restrict a womans right to choose abortion at that point?Honestly curious."
"Abortions is just another way for the government to reduce human living. Its simple if you think about it we as people just make it harder, I'm pro because I believe that the others want it to go on because they do not want to deal with a child .Con just want the easy way out you can lay up to have sex but cant take care you a child?? where in the bible does it says that I'ts ok to kill a child and Con will easliy say that its not a living child 'YET"when did nonliving things have a heart beat? I do not believe in abortions but Im still with adoption!"
"I would like to state that I have worked in the medical field for over 30 years, in a clinic and different hospitals. I have seen countless cases of pregnancies that have gone wrong and become dangerously complicated for the mother. I even witnessed the case of a pregnancy that was very much wanted and planned for by both parents only to produce an abnormal fetus that was certain to cause the mother's death if the pregnancy continued. I will never forget the tears of the parents as they left the doctor's office. Yet, I have also known extremist "pro-lifers" who are so fanatical in their views that they would deny an abortion even to those women whose pregnancies threaten their very lives and would condemn a woman who had an abortion for that emergency reason. What hypocritical arrogance!"
"So, to clarify Sissy, you are for banning most abortions - correct?You are against banning abortions where the mother's life is in danger, correct? That makes sense to me, but then again that makes up a very small fraction of the abortions performed.So where do you stand when the mother's "life" is not in danger and merely her (and the father's) "way of life" is in danger? Still okay with abortion then?"
"It's a woman's personal choice, not a choice that should be debated by old white men. It should be legal for those who want one."
"Olivia, when do you believe that thing inside a woman's body becomes a human being and it would be wrong to terminate it?Until the cord is cut? 1 min before passing thru birth canal? 1 month before birth? Conception? When?"
"if abortion isn't legal despite young ladies will choose "Back-Alley" abortions. of they are that set on it they will get it done, its more humane in a clinic rather then someone's basement."
"I just read Carroll's response, which sounds like she is saying that abortion is dangerous? Abortion is much safer than pregnancy, first of all. You can read the CDC reports for verification, but for example the CDC lists 0.64 deaths per 1000,000 abortions, while 1 in 4800 women die due to pregnancy complications. The risk of complication is lower with an abortion too, as you can read in the report.Secondly, an abortion in the first trimester is just a dilation and curettage (D&C). This is a common procedure to treat fibroids, excessive bleeding, polyps, and incomplete miscarriages. If a D&C were really incredibly dangerous, women with perforated uteri would be everywhere. I know many menopausal women who had them for fibroids, not one perforated uterus.Finally, 1 in 3 women in the US have an abortion in their lifetime. If abortion were really incredibly dangerous, so many women would be seriously inured. Even the anti-women's health groups tout that "X million" abortions have been carried out. That would be a lot of women with unreported complications if the "dangerous" claim were true."
"@Carroll, You say you care about woman. So why not try to prevent abortion by actually helping women and their partners access birth control? And then help women who's birth control fails by helping the woman access resources to care for the baby?Mikayla had a wonderful point. Banning abortion does NOT decrease abortion rates. You can look at rates in nations with abortion bans and the analysis of what happened in Romania in 1966. Banning abortions is not a way to "change culture." You need to replace the need for abortion with something else. Simply saying "don't do that" hasn't worked for abstinence only education, and it won't work to convince a woman to value her life less.The countries with the lowest abortion rates actually don't ban abortion. But they do offer great contraception coverage and have a culture of respect for partners, and for contraception use."
""You can take the abortion out of the back alley, but you can never take the back alley out of abortion". There are two types of abortionists; the ones who have perforated a uterus, and the ones who lie about it. Despite what many people think, all abortion procedures carry a significant risk of injury even with the best standards implemented. And the "best" standards are reserved for the women who can pay for them. Poor women are subject to poor sterilization, and substandard care from the abortionist. Even if you could implement mandatory health and safety standards, it is still dangerous. Legislation to implement standards are being shot down by abortion advocates because it would "prevent low income women from affording abortions". We are not trying to force women to partake in dangerous medical procedures by denying them the "right" to an abortion. We are trying to show everyone that abortion should not be allowed because it is the intentional destruction of a human life, and the intent of murder should never be allowed or made "safe". We do not take this position lightly, and we are not blind to the pain that women experience. We are trying to change culture's attitude so that women can be helped and comforted."
"My view is that abortion is a choice that a mother should be able to make. The guilt will rest on her consience. Who are you to tell her how to live her life? As for the arguement that killing a living thing, no matter how small, is wrong, than perhaps masturbation should be illegal. A fetus is the development from a an egg that was fertilized by a sperm cell, so with that being said, wouldn't masturbation be killing a possible life? After all, for all we know that little cell could grow up to become a person of high importance. While on the matter of killing living things period, perhaps scratching should be illegal... After all, those are innocent living cells that die when we scratch ourselves. What do all of these have in common? None are fully functional beings. Therefore, where do we draw the line from right and wrong?"
"No, not in turn. If someone chooses to live a life of celibacy, by your logic, this would be a case of murder billions of times over for not using their reproductive cells. Reproductive cells do not live forever even if you don't waste them in your hand. They only live so long even when "unused".Until there is conception, there is no "life form". There is no human being. The fact that a sperm and an egg are required for conception does not make them human beings. Together they become a new human being, alone they are only 1 of many other cells in the human body.If you do nothing with a sperm cell and leave it as it is, you get a dead sperm cell. If you leave a fertilized egg alone to do what it does, you wind up with a baby... see?You are arguing that a sperm cell is a human being. Do you really mean to?"
"No masturbation is not killing. Sperm are no more a life form than your skin cells. Reproductive cells do not grow up and make mate and make baby reproductive cells. They are simply a living cell like a hair on your head.A conceived child is a new life form. There is nothing else that it can be. Science, philosophy, religion and common sense all agree. A fertilized egg is a new life form that grows and will one day mate with another life form to make baby life forms. That is what is meant by "life" in the abortion debate... not living cells."
"Okay science time.Sperm Cell = Haploid cell that is incapable of independently turning into a human.Non-fertilized Ovum=Haploid cell incapable of active movement and also incapable of naturally turning into a human by itself. Zygote=The parent cell by which the chain of cellular development begins. Contains a unique chromosome code that is not the mothers. The immune system of the mother even recognizes, at times, that the zygote is not part of her. If developed normally, and left unmolested, this single cell well develop the human body (or two if the zygote becomes twins).Morals time.Murder= Intentionally ending a humans lifeAbortion=Intentionally ending a humans(or sometimes humans') life('s).What reason do you give for justifying murder? The child will be poor? Let us round up all of those pesky poor people and shoot them. The child won't be loved? Lets chop the heads off of everyone that we think is not adequately loved. To many people on earth? Load em up by the truckload and dump them into a giant blender. At least then we can use them for fertilizer. Killing for the sake of comfort or convenience is NEVER acceptable."
"In turn, however, couldn't you say that that sperm cell is a vital part of that fertilized egg. This being because it fertilizes the egg. Therefore, wouldn't killing sperm cells be killing a living thing that could be destined to grow into a human?"
"If men could get pregnant, abortion clinics would be like Starbucks - two on every block and four in every airport. And the morning-after pill would come in different flavors, like sea salt and cool ranch."
"Luckily for men they can just force the abortion industry on women so that they don't have to bear the responsibilities of caring for the mother and child. I can't imagine the lengths that men would pursue to escape responsibility if they actually bore children."
"I love this comment lol."
"I do not think that people understand that over population is something that is the cause of many problems across the world. World hunger, pollution, extinction of multiple animal species, etc. Maybe less children is a good thing and that rape shouldn't be the only excuse to get an abortion? And if you do not like abortion.... then don't get one!!!! That simple"
"Absolutely, if one doesn't support abortion then they simply dont have to do it. This, however, does not mean that these pro-life people can take away the choice of others. At the end of the day, pro-life will always stand for anti-choice, which denies the entire structure that America was built upon. Leave religion out of the decision and you'll find abortion to be morally correct."
"A majority of the comments are against abortion, and I think it's awesome. I like the idea of counting a fetus as a child that could soon grow up to be a great philosopher or cure cancer, regardless of their possibly difficult upbringing. But not all women see it the same way. One of the great things about the US is having the freedom to make our own decisions. One comment mentioned women who choose abortion do it for primarily selfish reasons, but is it not just as selfish to rob her of the rights to her body because of your own beliefs?"
"if you get raped then it wasnt your fault and you shouldnt have a child that was un planned for and not wanted . You shouldnt bring a young one to suffer in this world when it is unnessesary. In conclusion UNDER CERTAIN circumstances abortion is needed."
"My thing is with rape and abortion is that it shouldn't be allowed either. Does sound horrible but, bit let me explain. When a woman is legitimately rapped, she goes right to the police or the hospital where she is giving a rape kit that provides Plan B to prevent conception right from the bat. My question is if she was rapped why did she wait so long to do anything about it? Was she really rapped in the first place? Is she having second guesses about a hook up? A hook up that could now possibly charged with a rape that didn't occur. This event I described happens a lot in the US to men."
"It should be legal(pro) because its the female(s) choice. The right to privacy does that not mean anything?"
"Do I have a right to kill someone as long as I do it in private?"
"Even if a baby is alive and can feel pain it doesn't mean that abortion is wrong. If a woman feels that they are not ready for a baby or feel that they will not be able to take care of the baby then they have the right given to them by the Supreme Court to terminate their pregnancy. It doesn't matter when life begins because a woman has a right to this. None of us want to grow up in a home where we are not cared for or have a decent quality of life."
"quite honestly, I'd rather not be killed. I'd rather live a hard life than be killed. I hope that answers your question.If you thought on it honestly, I'm sure you'd come to the same conclusion. We live in a wonderful world, a lot can happen."
"There would be no need to kill you're baby after it was born, nor no situation where that would be even somewhat reasonable. If you do not have an abortion and you still feel that you will be unable to make sure that child has a healthy life then the right thing to do is put it up for adoption. If you have the option for abortion and you dont feel that you will be able to give that child a good life then abortion is one of many possibilities."
"Do you realize what that line of reasoning can lead to? The same argument could be used to support killing of newborns after they are born."
"Abortion should be legal in the 1st trimester or in the 2nd trimester in the case of rape, if the girl is 19 or younger, or if it would kill the girl and she chooses to abort the baby to save her life. I also think it's necessary to make birth control more readily available and to teach birth control, safe sex, and abstinence in sex ed classes. We should also do something to make women more aware of the signs of pregnancy so they can know if they're pregnant or not. Women should also be required to undergo counseling before they decide to go through with the abortion. Also abortion costs should be lowered to $300 across the board and women who want an abortion and can afford it should have to pay for it out of pocket. However, the government should pay for the abortions of those women who can't afford it, but with government funds and not taxes. That's my position."
"Abortion is wrong at all time periods and in all cases, save in the case where beyond a shadow of doubt that the natural course of delivery will kill either the mother and/or the child. I concur with you on the sex ed, but it needs to go a step beyond what it is now and needs to include more detailed information on all biological aspects of reproduction and STDs, and great emphasis should be placed on the emotional and psychological impact of teen sex. Parents should lead the way with this. So many people are either terribly ignorant of what happens in sex and reproduction or they are are woefully misinformed. I saw a little something at the end of your comment that confused me. Government funds, aren't those raised by taking taxes? So wouldn't government funds and taxes be the same thing?"
"Aiken, do you realize that the only "government funds" that exist come from taxes? Unless you're talking creating money out of thin air by typing into a keyboard, and even then if you really look at the effects of that, it's just a secret tax on the middle class and poor by means of inflation."
"no one should be punished for not wanting a baby. Contraceptives aren't 100% effective, and its better to provide safe abortions for women then to let them get botched ones. If a women doesn't want to have a baby and she gets pregnant, she will find any means necessary to get rid of it."
"This is one argument that I think isn't used enough for the pro-choice side.How did America come to be? We left Britain. Why did we leave Britain? Because they were being unfair over there and forcing everyone to practice the same religions and beliefs. We came here for the freedom to practice our own religions, believe in our own beliefs, and - from those - have our own morals.What is the purpose of the pro-life side? To force either their A) religion, B) beliefs, or C) morals onto other people. Isn't that exactly why we left Britain? So why are we allowing that to happen in our own country?There shouldn't be *any* laws on abortion. It is a private matter that should only be between a medical professional - who is the *only* authority on abortion - and a woman, the one who has to go through the procedure.I, personally, believe that an unborn child does not yet have a soul and, therefore, cannot be murdered. Who are you to tell me otherwise and force *your* beliefs onto me? How can you tell a woman who doesn't want to have a child that she has to be a hostage to a fetus inside of her? That's just not right and I don't see how our country can allow such a thing."
"Carroll: Everyone is awarded the right to life because of bodily autonomy. No one can do something to your body if you don't want them to, including kill you, rape you, harvest your organs, drug you, kidnap you, sell you, etc. I never said anything about awareness, so I don't know what your point with that is.Read my comments to Jaimie. Expanding on that, if someone tries to do any of the things I mentioned above, a.k.a. tries to use your body against your will, you are allowed to kill them in self-defense. So, logically, having an abortion can be considered self-defense in that a pregnant woman is killing someone who is using her body against her will. A woman having an abortion is equal to a woman killing the man who is trying to rape her in that both scenarios involve a woman killing someone who is trying to use her body against her will.So, no, no one should be allowed to kill me unless I'm trying to infringe on their right to bodily autonomy. And if I kill a ZEF inside me that I don't want there, I can kill it in self-defense because it is using my body against my will."
"Jamie cont.:The reason why murder is illegal is because of the right to bodily autonomy. Like I said, every person has the right to deny the use of their body to any other person. This means you can deny someone's request of killing you, raping you, drugging you, harvesting your organs, etc.I'm not putting religion into the subject. I simply stated what I believe, proving my point that we all have different opinions on the matter. You obviously believe that life begins at conception and I do not.Rights are afforded to ZEFs(zygote/embryo/fetus) when they are born and I feel that this is appropriate. Even if ZEFs were afforded rights before they were born, however, they *still* would not have the right to use someone else's body without their permission. *No One* has the right to use someone else's body without their permission, so why should ZEFs be any different?With your line of logic, you want to afford fetuses *special* rights, rights that no one else, not even born people, have and take away rights from pregnant women."
"Jamie: I am proposing the exact opposite of what you use as an example in your first paragraph. You are asking if I support forcing one's religion on another, which I clearly stated I do not in my comment. Read.In your example, it may not be immoral to them, but it is illegal because of bodily autonomy, the same reason why abortion is legal. Every person has the right to decide what they do with their own body. More specifically, every person has the right to deny the use of their body to another person. So, a woman has the right to deny the use of her body to a fetus.My point was not that abortion should be deemed legal or illegal based on morality - just the opposite, in fact. My point is that we should not allow one type of people who feel a certain way about a topic to have the ultimate decision about said topic. For instance, what happened in Britain. The British tried to tell us that we all had to follow a specific religion because that was what the King believed in. I and many others believe this to be wrong - including our founding fathers.The debate on abortion is not about when life begins. It is about rights, specifically, the right to bodily autonomy."
"How do you have a "right" to life then? If a person shot you full of ketamine and eviscerated you, should anyone call them a murderer? I mean you wouldn't feel pain while it happened, and you wouldn't be aware or cognitive enough to realize you were being killed. So that should be allowed right? If you don't think so then how do you justify your right to life? And even if you have a decent explanation, it is not your right to tell your murderer that his morals are wrong. He should be allowed to kill you with this line of reasoning."
"CC would you have any issue with someone who believed you did not have a soul until you accepted their religion?Therefore, decapitating you was not an immoral act.Should we all just use our own measure of morality? Of course not. There has to be law and order. There are already laws against murder... for good reason. You do not disagree with that law do you?The debate on whether or not abortion should be legal is really a debate on when human life begins. You say we do not have a "soul" until we're born (you are putting religion into this discussion btw). Set that aside and share your thoughts on when you feel we become a human being and have rights the same as other human beings... and they can you explain why (this is the trickier part of course)."
"I think abortion should be legal. I don't think the baby is living until it is born. But if you do believe you are doing wrong by aborting, you shouldn't get an abortion."
"Should abortion be allowed up through the third trimester then?"
"The baby is going to be living. Abortion is murder. You are taking the babys life away by killing it."
"@marissa:It is *not* a proven fact that unborn children feel pain. At 5 weeks, the nervous system isn't even developed enough to feel pain! *Think* about things before you try to state something as fact when it isn't. Modern technology doesn't even have the ability to ascertain the exact moment when the nervous system is developed enough to allow a being to feel pain."
"The baby is living even when it isn't born yet. It is a proven fact that babies do have a heartbeat at 5 weeks and feel pain."
"Yes. The Supreme Court validated a woman's right to choose. It's as simple as that."
"Laws can be changed, Alan. So if the pro-life folks have their way and the law is changed, you'd be cool with that?Just checking where your stance comes from. If based on 'current' law, then your stance will change one day.Is there anything more concrete that you base your position on?"
"The Supreme Court also justified the spread of slavery and that African Americans were not citizens with the case Dred Scott v. Sanford. Laws can always change when people expand their minds."
"It's your right to choose to have an abortion, there are more positives to abortion the negatives."
"Hitler could probably list a bunch of positives for all the killing he did. So could Mao Tse Tung.Having a list of "good reasons to kill those other people" is really not very much after all.Sorry, Barney, I don't want to see a list from Amy. I'd rather she explain how abortion is not the killing of an innocent human being."
"Please list the positives. I am intrigued to learn more."
"Experiences is what defines us as being human. The things that each person goes through in their life is what makes us "us". An unborn fetus has no experiences and could to some extent be considered nothing more that a parasite leeching off the life force of the mother who may not want the child. The are many reasons why a mother may want to not give birth to a child and in the end point is that it is freedom that is desired. So the point is that you are removing an unborn child with no identity or personality of any kind."
""experiences is what defines us as being human"By what authority do you say this? What authority do you wield to define what is and what is not humanity?I know that you have none, so mostly asking to see if you've considered this yourself. There must be some weight or authority to statements you make, especially when a human life hangs in the balance of the discussion."
"because women need to have all the rights they fought and worked for."
"It is no one's right to tell anyone else what they can do with their bodies. Not your job. Pregnancy isn't punishment. My body, not yours."
"Your rights end where another person's begin. Or at least in the united states any way."
"Religious arguments never hold up in court. "because it's wrong" is not a valid statement that holds up in court. I see it as a woman's choice, all choices we make in life have a positive AND negative impact. That's a freedom we have right there; to make a choice. There's no need to implement fear onto others...how about just facts. Ignorance and ethnocentric views will only harm you. This needs to be viewed in a cultural relativistic perspective. Just because someone is different or makes a different choice doesn't mean it's wrong. However your perception is your reality to an extent. Options should be available for women out there...There are all these issues with the moral fabric of society, values, etc. Well take into account cultural imperialism... if abortion was illegal...then that will force women to assimilate into a society said to value freedom of choices... yet they're being made to give birth..Whereas it is legal now.. but no one is forcing a large population who has different values to abort. (generally speaking of course.) This is not a "I'm right you're wrong issue"... because that's childish and this issue is not to be taken lightly. There are always compromises and potential solutions."
"I find it interesting that prolifers will fight tooth and nail to keep an unborn child from dying, yet turn a blind eye to whaling and deforestation. Is humanity really worth more than the beauty of nature? Once that's gone, it can never come back, but from what I've heard, they don't care as long as their beliefs aren't compromised."
"Alex, to your question - Is humanity more important than nature.Yes, humans are more important than nature. If you need further explanation, just ask. But it might be more efficient if you could list why you feel nature is more important than mankind.Astounding that this is even asked, but there really are no dumb questions in a debate."
"And who will put a stop to deforestation and whaling in the future?"
"Ignore if my above comment shows (I am experiencing some lag.)I find it interesting how you vaule a beautiful landscape over humanity. I have nothing against environmentals, but when people become more passioned about saving a tree over a human life, that is when I get worried. I am against whaling as well, but my feelings against the murdering of a human are much stronger."
"I am for abortion because every woman has a different reason for terminating a birth and that is the mother's decision, not the law's."
"I believe that the church has influenced the "con" people and the church shouldn't have a say in the laws that the government makes, it should be up to the person individually not by people who aren't in that situation"
"Josh, you don't fully believe that people should be free to individually decide who can and who cannot live.We already have laws against murder and theft that mimic ancient religious laws. Surely you are not against these are you?It would be better to understand why you feel a person should be free to kill an unborn child and (assuming you are happy with the anti-murder laws we have today) not okay to kill a born human.Can you define that?"
"Women deserve the right to control their own bodies. The fact that people think they can tell women what to do with their bodies is bordering on totalitarianism. Also, to the people who are pro-life, you actually believe that if a young girl gets raped she should have her life ruined by being forced to have a child? If abortion's are not legal, it won't make people stop getting them. It will simply make them resort to other methods because they are desperate. Dangerous and illegal surgeries, pushing themselves down stairs, and many other horrible methods would be the result. To the Christians who insist that it goes against the Bible, you should study up because no where in the Bible does it ever say abortion should not be allowed or anything even nearly related. Abortion is the choice of the woman and in many cases is best- why bring unwanted children into the world, most of whom will just be put up for adoption and spend their childhoods in facilities? Just like the food you eat and clothes you wear are YOUR choices, to have or not have a child is their choice. Who are you to say otherwise?"
"I am 100% prochoice. Pregnancy can be very traumatic. Slavery is supposed to be illegal, so support a woman's right to choose what happens to her body."
"Amy: Pregnancy is risky, and giving up 9 months of ones life is not as trivial as you make it sound. We do not even require people to be organ donors after they die and have no use for them, but a woman is using her blood, organs, and life. 1 in 4800 women in the US (1 in 7 where there is less medical care) die from pregnancy complications, and many more suffer serious health issues. You make it sound like being pregnant is a small event. You are talking about a condition requiring medical care (minimally a midwife). No one should be required to do this unless they really want to. I am seriously confused by your selfish response stating that some women should be incubators because other women aren't lucky enough to be able to have children."
"Brandon: Having sex does not equate to a decision to get pregnant in the same way that driving a car does not equate to a decision to get in a car accident or cooking dinner does not equate with a decision to burn oneself. Sex is a normal part of a healthy relationship and brings a couple closer together and having sex can be a decision about being intimate, not about making a baby.Amy: You would probably call someone crazy if they started telling you that you needed to think about all of the people dying because they don't have access to blood or a kidney, and how selfish you were to not donate blood or a kidney. That is how you sound insisting that a woman donate her body for the presumed (not even proven) life of a fetus. Women are not incubators and a women's body, health, life, and wellbeing are valuable. We do not require anyone else to be an obligate donor and it is not only hypocritical, but illogical to force this on women."
"I'm sorry, dyfts, you misunderstand my comment. I was referring to adoption. I didn't realize it was selfish to mention that there is an alternative to abortion, but we all have our opinions. Hope that clears things up. Meanwhile, on the issue of pregnancy deaths, most deaths are caused by complications that could have been avoided such as obesity. Now, since we will be paying for everyone's healthcare I hope the government takes steps to combat obesity. The second reason these deaths occur is due to poor access to health care. Fortunately, there is a universal mandate now and hopefully American deaths will decrease to the averages of other industrial nations. Lastly, the reason why people don't have to give up organs is because of the legal complications it would create. For example, there are many possible bone donor matches for a patient. How would you decide who has to donate?"
"Actually, dyfts, I would not call people that told me that crazy. I believe there is a huge demand for blood and organs and I wish more people would sign up to be an organ donor. I am not insisting that a woman donate her life to the fetus. The human exists within her. It is an undeveloped being that will not be fully developed for at least the next twenty years, but the woman only needs to carry it for less than a 1/20th of that time. Then the baby is out. She doesn't have to take responsibility for it. She doesn't have to feed it, teach it, or love it even. Someone else can do that. She's alive and the baby is alive. All pro-lifers want is for that human to have a chance at life. If the mother doesn't want it, then we want it. Not all of us are lucky and can have children."
"And what about the person inside of her. What happens to this person's choice?"
"It is a woman's choice to have sex and become pregnant. Unless she was raped but that is not the case in about 99% of abortions."
"Amy: Thank you for admitting that you give more rights to a dead body than to a live woman. I didn't realize that it would be such a problem to decide which DEAD body should donate organs they weren't using, however. Thousands of people die each year waiting for organs, and if all life is really valuable the pro-life people should be trying to find a way to solve this issue. Women, however, are still using their bodies. So it seems and easy choice to me to let her decide whether or not she wants to be an obligate donor. Abortion protects this right. Abortion also prevents forced pregnancy (which is what you propose). Forcing a woman to maintain a pregnancy just so a couple can adopt a baby IS selfish. There are TONS of children out there who need homes! I honestly felt very selfish just wanting a biological child of my own knowing how many children are being moved from foster home to foster home without anyone who wants to adopt them."
"it is a woman's right to choose abortion is a "fundamental rightsperson-hood begins at birth,not at conception"
"So by that definition then a mother could abort her child at 8 or 9 months because technically it's not a person?"
"Beginning at conception, every pregnancy involves two or more bodies. It is not a woman's choice nor body to have an abortion and assassinate a child. A mother and a child have different genetic codes. Every individual has their own genetic code, meaning every cell of the unborn child is different than the mother's cells. In most cases, the mother and child have different blood types, so the mother's blood is not the child's blood. The sex of the child is different than the mother if male, meaning the child's body is not the mother's. It is possible for the fetus to die and the mother to stay alive and it is possible for the mother to die and the fetus to live. Another example of why a mother and an unborn child can not be one person."
"Approximately 219 women die worldwide each day from an unsafe abortion. I think we should focus on this fact more than why women get abortions(that is there own private business). There are women dying out there because they don't want to let there unborn child suffer because they are incapable of taking care of it. Isn't that saying something about them, that they really need this. Also, in one of the cons it stated that "The majority of reasons why women get abortions are selfish", isn't it selfless to care more about if your unborn child is going to suffer than if you are going to live. Those people who agree with out-lawing abortion, you are putting the lives of unborn children ahead or the lives of living breathing American women because whether or not you out-law it it is going to happen anyway because it is a necessity."
"THIS IS WRONG"
"HOW CAN THE REPUBLICANS SAY NO ABORTION WHEN THEY ARENT WILLING TO PAY FOR OUR HEALTH CARE, HOUSING, FOOD, WELL FARE...."
"What if you were poor, shunned by your family, sick, alone, and assaulted? People should have a choice but I believe an abortion should happen WAAYYYY before the baby is even close to being able to feel and think. Nobody should be born unloved."
"The thousands of farm animals slaughtered daily in the United States are all intellectually and mentally superior to a human fetus and, with that, a human infant. Seeing as the majority of Americans have deemed the slaughter of such animals to be acceptable, the only course of action which is morally and logically consistent is one which, at the least, allows for abortion."
"First, we don't slaughter animals, we give them a good life then kill them for food. A human fetus, as life begins at conception. A child is visably alive once they are born, so is it any different when the child is in the womb?"
"I think abortion should be allowed ONLY in certain situations, like, for example, if the mother was raped."
"Life begins at birth. it is my body, my right, and my choice. i don't have to defend myself, you don't have to like it, but I'll be damned if you will take my rights away. I know what is best for me, and there is nothing wrong with that. #pissedoffliberalpatriot"
"That baby cannot be angry at you for taking its right away. Like a guppy can't defend itself from a piranha . Actually, the guppy at least can run."
"I feel that the only way or reason for someone to ever in life get a abortion is if they got raped. if it was a mistake or not u choose to have sex the other times so take responsisblity for what you've done as person because you have ruined an innocent life and killed a child of God."
"Well, I think abortion must not be legalized because to do the abortion means to kill someone. Today, there is contraception. people should use it. Babies are not like bad teeth to be jerked out because they cause suffering.An unborn baby is a baby nevertheless."
"i think the only way you should abort is if you get raped or something..."
"That's completely understandable and hard for a woman. But God feels that when you do abort in this situation you're punishing the child for something they couldn't control, it's sort of like revenge. What's great is that the majority of women that do get raped and pregnant keep the baby."
"WOMEN HAVE RIGHTS AND FREEDOM. YOU DONT LIKE ABORTIONS DONT GET ONE. SO MANY WOMEN HAVE FOUGHT TO GET WHERE WE ARE TODAY. CONS NEED TO GET REAL AND REALIZE THAT WOMEN HAVE THE SAY NOT THE FETUS!!! STOP TRYING TO GET THE GOV. MORE INVOLVED THEN THEY ALREADY ARE, THEY STICK THEIR NOSE INTO EVERYONES BUSINESS. HAVING LEGAL ABORTIONS ARE WAY BETTER. SAFER TOO :)"
"THE BABY IS A HUMAN BEING!!! THAT BABY IS GOING TO BE MURDERED BECAUSE THE MOTHER "ISN'T READY" OR WAS RAPED OR ANY OTHER EXCUSE!!! BEING RAPED DOES'NT JUSTIFY THE KILLING OF AN INNOCENT CHILD!!! REALLY I'M ONLY IN NINTH GRADE I'M FIFTEEN AND KNOW MORE ABOUT ABORTION THAN YOU EVER WILL IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE!!! YOU ARE OBLIVIOUS TO EVERYTHING REGARDING THIS HOLOCAUST OF BABIES!!! NO ABORTION IN THIS WORLD WILL EVER BE "SAFE" ABORTION IS ACTUALLY MORE DANGEROUS THAN CHILDBIRTH!!! ABORTIONS CAUSE THE MOTHER'S PAIN EMOTIONALLY AND PHYSICALLY SO HOW EXACTLY IS THAT GIVING THE MOTHER FREEDOM!!! THE GOV. GETTING INVOLVED WILL HELP DEATH RATES AND SUICIDE RATES GO DOWN!!!"
"No abortion is safe as they always result in the death of one person, sometimes both.Do you disagree that the unborn child is a living human being?"
"i dont care what it is lol. It doesnt have a right cuz the mother has the say. The fetus does not speak. It knows nothing. Who cares if the fetus doesnt survive.. The woman made a decision to whether continue with the pregnancy. But clearly if she has an abortion the baby is unwanted and the mother does not need to get stuck with something that she can get rid of. Atleast shes trying to save herself from being miserable for the rest of her life. Adoption is not the answer. That didnt have to do with your comment but a lot of people say that and its crazy lol 0.o"
""Con" people, do me a favor and have empathy for women."
"""Con" people, do me a favor and have empathy for the unborn." Dispite how much some of you women play up pregnancy to be the most horrible thing ever. It is not. Every pregnancy could of been 100% avoided. If it happens the baby should get the chance at life. It is 100% a womans fault she got pregnant (except for rape) and this may seem harsh. But she should be forced to carry it to full term and put it up for adoption. Being inconvenienced for 9 months is NOT a reason to kill the child. +as I said, the pregnancy could of been 100% avoided."
"what about empathy for the baby she is killing? did you ever realize that the mom isn't the only affected in this matter."
""Anonymous" pro people, please do us all a favor and have empathy for the defenseless child.We can do this all day, "anonymous".Why not share something more meaty in the discussion and explain when you feel it would be wrong to terminate a pregnancy and why."
"yes because it is a human being and when a baby is killed it is harming the person that is having an abortion. it should be illegal because the baby is a baby its whole life including inside the womb"
"In a case where a woman properly used contraception she should be allowed an abortion. This choice is up to the MOTHER no one else should even be involved in her choice. I am a 17 year old girl and am sexually active. I use every contraceptive possible. Condoms, birth control, and pulling out. If I were to get pregnant, I would get an abortion. I have too much ahead of me to let an unwanted pregnancy ruin it. Did you know a woman is more like to die during child birth than a proper abortion?"
"Why wouldn't you allow abortion for women who did not use protection and did not want a child? Why wouldn't you allow women to skip the traditional contraceptives and just let them have an abortion as a form of contraception?I assume it's because you feel something about abortion is wrong? What? Sincerely curious."
"People with money don't worry they can send there daughter out of the state and have it taken care of they live by a different set of rules and keep it quiet."
"Abortion should be legal but controlled. Evidence of rape, severe distress to a woman's body or a low life expectancy for the child should have to be proven to allow an abortion. I do not believe in abortions myself. However in some circumstances I can see why some would want one. Condoms and other contraceptive are less expensive than an abortion. If someone told you that you would die today unless you put your life on hold for 9 months, Would you do it to live for just 5 more years? 2 Years? 1 Year? 80 Years? Don't make a unborn child pay for your mistakes. Adopt out. There is someone waiting for your child that will love them unconditionally."
"It should be allowed because 1. a woman is entitled to abortion rights 2. Right to an abortion is guarenteed under law thanks to Roe v. Wade 3. In many cases, abortions have been medically necessary to preserve the life of the mother 4. Not all mothers are mentally capable of carrying their pregnancy to term (I once knew a girl who found out she was pregnant a week after starting therapy to combat her eating disorder. Knowing she would not be able to handle changes to her body, she got an abortion) 5. In the case of rapeBottom line: no old white protestant male is allowed to tell be what I can and can not do with my body. I deserve reproductive rights as a woman, and the pro life movement has no right taking these rights away from me and other women."
"So if old white protestant males can't tell you what to do, can young Hispanic catholic women tell you what to do? I don't expect an answer. I'm only asking this because you are continuing a stereotype of the pro-life movement.Yes, abortion is legal due to Roe v. Wade, but that doesn't mean we can't protest a morally wrong law to have it changed. Laws aren't always right. At one time in this nation's history laws were set to discriminate against people of color."
"What gives you the right to take "what I can and can not do with my body" from an unborn child? Yes there are circumstances where an abortion is needed due to mother's and child's health. But your "what I can and can not do with my body" sounds like a 5 year old throwing a fit because they didn't get what they wanted."
"There is no reason"
"I think there is a point that has been undermined lately within this controversy. That point is that the decision to get an abortion is not in any way shape or form easy for a women. It isn't just another daily question going through their head it is a big life decision. A women never gets an abortion because she wants to, she does it because she has to. It is never a selfish decision it is for the good of the unborn chid. I would rather let someone have an abortion than let a child suffer because the mother was not able to provide for him/her from the beginning."
"@AmyRichard:1) Welfare, WIC, and all those other options you listed don't always provide everything necessary for a child. My brother had a child with one of his exes and was able to take care of her on his salary because he had a good job. He then got with my best friend and she got pregnant. While she was pregnant, he lost his job. She couldn't work by order of her doctor and he was having a hard time finding a job. They applied for welfare, but the office kept finding excuses to put off giving them any money. She had the baby and they finally got welfare - a whopping 40 bucks. She had WIC, too, and that got the children food, but my bro and sis-in-law had to go without a lot. They couldn't afford gas to get to work, so my parents and I gave them money, but only to take care of the babies. They are now having a third child. They still get $40 in welfare and WIC. They also both work 2 jobs, but that still isn't cutting it. My brother even broke the news of the new baby to my mom with this: "By the way, mom, we're having another baby, but don't worry, we can take care of it! Oh, and can I have 20 bucks?" We don't know how they'll make it now.Also, you still have to pay for medical bills if you give the baby up for adoption."
"I will first make the assumption that your comment refers to women in first world countries. If that is so then why would the child suffer when there is welfare, free health care, wic, and other programs? As well as that there is the choice of adoption. If the mother is not able to provide for her child then she could seek out government help or if she does not want the child then she could give the child to someone who does. There are many infertile couples, gay couples, and single parents who are looking to start a family. To choose to be ignorant of these other choices is not protecting a child from suffering but justifying murder."
"It is my wright if I want to have an abortion. Also, my sisters, and my dauther's wright. It is not a way of pregnancy prevention. I believe in family planification. More ways for men to use should be created, you know, like a pill or an injection for him."
"I think there should be an age limit on abortion. I mean, what if you were 12 and were raped? Giving birth to the baby could kill you, but if your 16 and did it with your boyfriend, then the baby should be yours. You can give it up for adoption or something,"
"Another person would never have legal claims to my body tissues, organs, or blood, even when it's crucial for their survival. A fetus isn't sentient, nor capable of feeling pain until long after the deadline for a legal abortion, so why are we giving it rights to a woman's body that no sentient human even has in the first place? Many anti-choice comments seem to imply that the fetus is sentient, but it is not capable of thinking or feeling. If I had been aborted, I would not be questioning why or thinking about the life I would've had, I would simply NEVER HAVE EXISTED. I'm completely against the murder of a sentient being, but sadly, a fetus does not belong in that category."
"There are absolutely no pros to abortion!!! It's killing a baby!!!!!"
"If you don't know the ugly reality of abortion, read Abby Johnson's book Unplanned. She's the former director of an abortion clinic who left her job after assisting with an ultrasound-guided abortion. Read up on Margaret Sanger, eugenicist and founder of Planned Parenthood, or Dr. Bernard Nathanson, former abortionist turned defender of women and the unborn. Talk to thousands of mothers (and fathers) from Silent No More who regret their abortions. Find testimonies of those who survived abortion - Melissa Ohden, Gianna Jessen - and those who were conceived in rape - Rebecca Kiessling. Educate yourself on fetal development and the negative effects of abortion on a woman's body. Women deserve so much better than the violence of abortion. If you're facing an unexpected pregnancy, you can do it! There's help out there. Love and hope beat fear and darkness every day of the week."
"Adolph Hitler missed the point. Why would you kill someone to stop someone from killing another. Not pro-health, just a little confused. Sorry, I said a little."
"Your main focus seems to be guilt by association, so lets see how that works. Adolph Hitler was the strongest of all pro life advocates. He passed laws making abortion a capital offense and killed both abortion doctors and women that practiced abortion. In addition the Nazis were strongly conservative Christians. The opposed nearly everything the current evangelical Christian movement opposes. They believed that the Church as State should work together to stamp out the evil excesses of liberal society.Now how does that fit in with your guilt by association argument?"
"Killing an innocent, unborn child is cruel. I think if you aren't ready to have children, you shouldn't be doing things that provide them."
"Science has shown the fetus to be a living person. The killing of a fetus is murder. A woman can prevent her pregnancy. It would be her fault if she got pregnant and did not want to be pregnant, except if she got raped. But still, the murder of a fetus is much worse than rape. God has a plan for every single person, unborn and born. "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart." -Jeremiah 1:5 "If more people did what was right instead of what they wanted to do, the world would be a better place." This killing has to stop."
"Your idea that the fetus is a living person is easily disproved. Because of speciation, the DNA of the zygote has hundreds of thousands of errors. So the DNA that you assume is human cannot be proved to be human. The idea that when DNA of the mother and father fuse a new human life is created has been disproved. The pro life movement has a political agenda that requires it to lie and be deceitful. And you are a victim of those lies."
"You are SO smart."
"abortion is disguting and recklessly destructive of our next human generation! STOP ABORTION NOW!!!!!!!"
"so would you wish you where not born killed in the womb so that you would never be born. It is a person there is no second life there is only one life when you die you die. it is killing a person murder by their own parents and a doctor whos job is to kill babies for a living. One thing i know, it is better to be alive and make my own choices in life to make it better in the future not just for me but everyone else. They babies could be the next president the next doctor to find the cure for cancer the next Einstein but we will never know because they where never given a chance to become more than the child you never had a living breathing person. Every person has a purpose and now we have less people doing what they need to do in life so yes chose life. Simile your parents chose to give you life. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH IT?"
"There are a few logic flaws here:1) You are confusing past actions with a forced future. You could just as easily say "so would you wish your mom was raped so you could be born?" If your parents never had sex, you wouldn't exist. Would you really want your parents to be forced to copulate just so you could exist? And no pregnancy is guaranteed anyway. Your mom could have gotten 5th disease and miscarried. I can tell you right now, I would NEVER wish my life over another. If my mom did not want me in her womb, I would not want to be there. If a blood donor does not want to donate blood to me, I don't want it. If I die without another's sacrifice, that is their right.2) You are also for some reason assuming every baby will be a super star? People grow up to be murders too. I don't know why you think those who never existed will be so much better than those who do exist. This seems like really wishful thinking.Society would be better served making sure the people we do have live to their full potential, thus becoming the Einstein you are hoping for. Forcing people to copulate and bear children does not achieve that goal."
"Babies are miracles and need to be treated as such!!!"
"Though those who oppose it make pregnancy a chore, and a burden."
"This topic relates so much with emotion. I would say NO even though it is true that some people have a hard time to have a baby in a worst situation. While one was unconscious, the baby was killed. The baby that would have called you "Mom". If abortion was legal, how many unborn children were killed. The unborn baby's life should be decided whether they want to live or die, not by the mother. Please don't mind with my broken English."
"I love how people in this country fight to keep people on death row alive and say that no one deserves to be killed. And then some of the same people support abortion. What could a baby possibly have done to deserve death more than murderers and rapists?"
"If it is such a right, then let the individual pay for it themself. That way they burden the murder individually, not all those who are paying taxes to support it."
"JC: That is one of the cruelest things to say! Why are you asking people to consider forcing their own mother to do something against her will like that! OMG. How rotten. I suppose people do try to pay donors for kidneys when they are dying, but they are asking people to voluntarily trade the kidney for money, not force them down and take it! Wow. I love my mom. I'd never force my life on her."
"How much can you pay for a human life? How much would you pay your mother to allow you to survive if your planned on ending your life."
"If you want to act like an adult do adult things then be prepared to face the reality of things. Every living thing has a soul. And why do we call animals such as elephants who are pregnant a baby elephant. but a person calls a child a fetus not a baby?"
"I think that there should be an option for niether. While I think abortion is wrong, I dont think it should be illegal. To me, this seems like an intensely personal choice that should be ultimately left up to the woman who this is happening to. That doesn't mean what she may or may not be doing is wrong, it just means that it remains her choice and not a higher power that has little to no interest as to what happens with her. Do I think abortion is wrong? Yes absolutely. I cant however push my beliefs on other people."
"With few exceptions, I think that abortion should not be legal. Rape would be one of them, and if it puts the mothers life in danger. But other than that, you really choose if that human being comes into your life. Once you make that choice, it really is not your life you are taking anymore."
"Because it is illegal doesn't mean the charges should be brought up against the one having the abortion"
"u r killing a human being what if ur parents killed u"
"If my parents had killed me, I wouldn't be here to care about it. How is a fetus human?Also, Liv, PLEASE use correct spelling, it's a pet peeve of mine and frankly, it doesn't help an argument."
"Are you kidding?! The babies don't even remember when they were in the womb! NOBODY does! They can't even cry!"
"They are still human. They are still US citizens. That's unless they change species in the womb. Homo sapiens remember. When a fellow citizen cannot express and protect its rights, the government and the people around it should stand up to protect that person. Don't be a hypocrite and protect your own rights and not even protect your own child's rights."
"I disagree with the fact that abortion should be illegal because you have to put yourself in the shoes of someone who has been raped you don't want to carry somebody else's baby when you don't even know the person who raped you. That's what happened to my older sister she was raped and had to have an abortion so absolutely100% do I agree with abortion it should not be illegal and if it does become illegal then the American population is absolutely stupid for believing that it should be illegal. Just put yourself in the shoes of someone who has been raped and see what it feels like to know that you are pregnant with someone's baby when you don't even know the person who did it to you. So women let's speak out about this topic and why we think it should be legal. I am a Sophomore in High School and I have a voice. What about you?"
"Yes Anonymous... YOU DO HAVE A VOICE... what about the baby? who will speak on behalf of the innocent little one who, by no fault of its own is a result of the "RAPE"..."
"It's not fair to the child who had no say so in any of the matter to be murdered just because their parents chose to be irresponsible."
"If abortion is going to be legal, don't pretend to care about late term. Once the two haploid cells join to form one genetically human cell you either can, or can't kill it. If abortion is a matter of women's health and not a matter of human rights, then Casey Anthony didn't commit murder, she's just an empowered woman."
"PART 2:Having an abortion can also actually be damaging to the mother. In terms of damage, the mother can be hurt both psychologically and physically. A 2008 journal about public health revealed that women whom undergo abortion increase their risks of being depressed. Similarly, A 2005 study in BMC Medicine said that women whom undergo abortion had higher depression and anxiety scores. A 2005 study by afterabortion.org revealed that women whom have an abortion actually had a suicide rate six times higher than that of the average women. A study by CNSNews.com links abortion to breast cancer, saying that after having an abortion, women have a 44% higher chance of getting breast cancer. If a women gets pregnant, she must take on the responsibility of bringing that child into the world. If one isn't looking to have a child, they should be careful from the start and not let themselves get pregnant."
"This is just wrong. Abortion is incredibly safe. And even if it weren't safe, it has nothing to do with whether it should be allowed. Completely irrelevant. Cosmetic surgery is much less safe than abortion, and no one is trying to stop that.But back to the science, abortion is many times safer than pregnancy. Abortion is one of the safest outpatient procedures with few complications. The anti-women's health people find the one in a million who had a complication and tout that story because it is all they have. If you ever stopped to actually analyze the numbers touted by these people, you would realize that if the number of abortions they spout is correct, for abortion to be as dangerous as they also try to claim millions more women would be in our cemeteries. Clearly, not the case."
"Abortion is selfish.No civilized society permits the killing of other people."
"i am a con beacse your killing a a human being that is like commiting murder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1"
"I've seen first hand what abortion can do to a person psychologically. Also, every living thing has a right to life. How is bacteria on Mars considered life when LIVING cells in a fetus are not?!"
"You do realize that an eagle egg is NOT attached to a being? No one forces anyone to nurture and care for the egg. At the same time, a fetus is inside a woman using her uterus. There is no other case where we let people use other's organs against their will. No one forces you to donate blood or marrow. No one even forces you to take in homeless people who will freeze to death overnight. The only case where we tell someone they absolutely must sacrifice their health and well being for another is when a woman is pregnant. There is absolutely no excuse for it, and forcing a woman to carry a child just to give the child to another family can be classified as nothing but abuse. In any other case, such an act of forced action would be abuse.As an aside, there are tons of kids out there waiting for adoption. Please consider adopting them."
"The only reason why I do not like abortion is because I feel like it's not their fault to be brought into this world and than to not live life to the fullest and be killed. I mean I get it that you couldn't take care of the baby but there are other options such as adoption but my opinion is that if you knew that you didn't want a child, you should of never had sex or just used a condom. It's really not that hard, but there are other side of having an abortion like suchlike as rape, I get it, you didn't deserve it either but I'm just against it because I feel like it's wrong."
"no, abortion should not be legal because an unborn baby is still a living human. they don't deserve to be killed. at least let it live in an orphanage instead of killing. abortion is murder. if you abort on a baby, then you are a murderer"
"Better a murderer than a slave. That is like telling someone it is better to be held hostage in a basement for a year then harm anyone in your attempt to escape. Any why does the fetus have a right to harm the woman (all pregnancies are dangerous, and very few do not involve at least one complication), but we tell the woman that she must just put up with this? If this were a relationship, we would call it abuse."
"I SAY IF YOU CAN LAY DOWN AND DO IT THEN YOU CAN GET UP AND RAISE IT , DON'T BE HAVING UNSAFE SEX IF YOU KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES"
"no absolutely not whoever thinks different should just go die in a hole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
"Rape takes up only 1% of the reason for past cases of abortion anyways. So why are people using rape as such a big example? Also, yes you women who would like to get an abortion have rights to do what you want with your body, however, the fetus is not part of your body. If you fill a cup with water, is the water part of the cup? No. It is a separate object within the cup. It is its own person. You do not have the right to take away an unborn child's life. It is innocent and has don't no wrong. There are millions of people willing to adopt who cannot have children of their own. Another thing, If someone kills a pregnant woman, he/she is charged with 2 counts of murder. Therefore, killing an unborn child is murder in the eyes of the law. I don't understand how this doesn't apply to abortion."
"At the age of 19, my mother fell victim to break-in rape; I was supposed to be aborted, but sixteen years later, I stand here, explaining why I wasn't and why it shouldn't have been an option. My pro-life views and arguments come from a Christian perspective: I believe that God wouldn't have dealt my mom a card she couldn't handle, and I believe that He has an amazing plan for me. My birth definitely hindered my mom's plans for her future, she was only 19, but she put her faith in Him and hasn't regretted it since. However, I fully realize that not everyone is Christian, or even religious at all. But, granted I'm no world religions expert, don't most religions, philosophies, beliefs, etc. believe in a higher power that has a plan, or destiny, or punishment, or just fact of life, direct from a god or the universe or something? I mean, more or less, doesn't everyone believe that everything happens for a reason? Pregnancy may not have been your plan, but it happened for a reason! That kid could grow up to be a child prodigy, teaching you more than you could ever imagine. Don't kill it before he/she gets the chance to try."
"- it should be considered murder- the mother has to live with her choice and she may regret it- the child should have a chance to live, fetus or not- the mother might just go and pregnant again, leading to another abortion- some people believe abortion is okay...its not- im !#, my mother was going to abort me...but it failed, im glad. even though she didnt want me...i still love her"
"Don't kill a child for a mistake you did. Take responsibility, and grow up and face the fact that you have to take care of that child."
"I agree, if you have a child and don't want to take care of it there are many places you can call. However, if you are pregnant and don't want to be pregnant there is nothing these agencies can do. In that case, it is best to call a doctor and discuss options.Abortion is a perfectly responsible response to an unwanted pregnancy. Glad we agree."
"Just take a second to think, why are you here today? Because you just happened to be born? I'm afraid that it is much more than that. You probably always wished that you had better and less strict parents and I felt the same way too. But your parents love you and they chose YOU to live. Lets just say it like...they allowed you to live and they gave pity to your small little hands and your big eyes. They had hopes for you...and your future. When they have you deep down in their stomach, they dream of you being a successful daughter/son. And just know....they love you from the bottom of their hearts and they will never EVER stop loving you."
"If people want to have sex and not take care of themselves properly, then they should have to deal with the consequences that come with having unprotected sex."
"This is how the world should work with everything. Drive and don't take care of yourself, you should have to pay the consequences when someone runs that red light. Ski and don't take care of yourself, and you should be splinting your own leg. People need to start being responsible and stop expecting society to pick up the pieces."
"It should be no contest that life is precious. Why blame the baby if the father was a rapist? Why discriminate against the child if he or she has a birth defect, disease, or some other kind of disability? Why allow abortion just because the parents want to be sexually active without assuming responsibility for a child? Sexual activity naturally produces offspring. To make it unatural by any means hurts people. That is the bottom line. We must love others, and be forced to do so."
"The reason most people say ( no to abortion) is it's mostly poor girls who need the voice and choice and if they can't have an abortion then there will be more people to fight their wars abortion give choice that's what all the fuse is about."
"I'm putting a comment on both sides. My comment here is that Swedish study showing depression shows the wrong control group. Do women who had an abortion as young women show more depression than those who gave birth at the same age? A control group of the general population is meaningless."
"Abortion is murder, period. It shouldn't be a choice to murder a living person. It's irrational to say that it is a woman's body and she has a right to do what she wants with it. YES that is true, but is another living being living inside her her body? NO. Life begins at conception, it's not just a fetus and that makes us all sound like a bunch of cells. You wish it were true because of your circumstances, well guess what your circumstances are no where near as bad as murder!!! Even if you're a rape victim, that child isn't a rapist. They're innocent, and you're supposed to be the victim no a hypocrite. There's always a better alternative, there are many downsides to abortion. Regret, guilt, health issues. It's a miracle to even get pregnant. It was your choice to become pregnant, and murdering something that is a piece of you, is like killing apart of yourself."
"You say "Even if you're a rape victim" and "It was your choice to become pregnant," This doesn't add up. A woman who is raped cannot magically stop a pregnancy. Maybe if she was lucky enough to be able to runout and find pharmacy selling plan B, but not all people who are assaulted are in a position to do that immediately, and some people still don't know it is an option. You seem really bent on blaming women and using this as an excuse to force a woman to use her body to sustain another being despite the fact that this is dangerous and kills women. I am going to be honest and say that I have yet to hear of a single woman who went through a pregnancy without some sort of medical issue, wether it was excessive bleeding, minor tearing, diastasis recti that never healed, the start of weight issues, etc. I just don't see as a society how we can force this on anyone regardless of what the person has done. The rapist gets off easy in comparison. No one forces the rapist to even donate blood, which saves lives and is so much less dangerous than a pregnancy."
"Fetus comes from a Greek word meaning life. We are killing life through abortion!"
"my religion saids its like murdering your child and if you had unprotected sex and get pregnant thats on you but if you get raped thats different"
"They have the right to LIVE!!!!!! NOW IMAGINE OF YOUR PARENTS ABORTED YOU?????!!!!!!!!"
"It is wrong and everyone should have a chance at life. If you are grown enough to have sex, you're grown enough to take care of what you created."
"abortion should not be legal because you are killing a human and not allowing it to come into the world"
"I believe abortion should only be used if you are raped. But if you are only using abortion because you wanted to have pre-maritail sex that is your fault. I believe if you get pregnant on accident have the baby and put the baby up for adoption or keep it. I believe abortion is not right for your own personal birth control!"
"You know that married people have abortions too, right? I know several married women who had abortions with their husbands right beside them. Stating "...have pre-maritail sex that is your fault." is ignoring a large subset of the population. Birth control fails at the same rate for the wed and unwed."
"When my girlfriend recently opted to have an abortion, I was against it but tried to be as supportive as possible. (Her reason? She was not "ready" to be a mother).At the clinic, no one looked at me, no one asked my name, no one asked me to sign anything. My kid was about to get killed and I, the father, was a non-entity in their eyes.Don't be fooled by the fluffy title: "Planned Parenthood" is code for killing babies. As is "Terminate the pregnancy". My girlfriend has felt so guilty ever since that she cries herself to sleep every night. And I will never forgive myself for letting my child down when he needed me the most.I try to forgive her but I cannot forgive the liberals and feminists in this world who support abortion and helped end my child's life for no reason."
"G-d bless you my friend, I hope you never have to go through this situation and that abortion remains a hypothetical issue for you."
"If you are talking to me when you state "I hope you never have to go through this situation and that abortion remains a hypothetical issue for you." I have already had an abortion, and I don't regret it at all. My husband was right beside me the entire time, which was really a huge help (because the anti-women's health people were so scary). This is actually why I speak out so much for a woman's right to choose. The hardest moments for me were right up until the procedure because I was convinced the anti-women's health people would somehow prevent me from obtaining the abortion and I would be forced to carry the pregnancy. Those people are horrid, and scary (seriously, they spit on people). The best feeling was right after the procedure. I felt such a huge relief, and I finally felt free again. I am so glad I got to make this choice. It was absolutely the best choice for my family.But I recognize that this is not the best choice for everyone. Some women may choose to carry the pregnancy. Whatever a woman choose, we should support her. Neither choice is easy. You should support your girlfriend."
"Not your womb, not your right to control another's body. If you need a kidney, are you going to tell someone who is a match they are required to give it to you just because they are genetically similar enough to be a match? You had no right to your girlfriend's body regardless of how genetically similar anything in her body is to you. Such thinking just shows how much you objectify women.If your girlfriend is upset, then it sounds like she was not on board with the abortion, or she is not being supported. Studies, which you can go to the American Psychological Association to read, show that abortion is not associated with an increased rate of mental health issues. The 3 and 1 campaign also show examples of women who appreciate their choice. This is not to say that no women regret their decision regardless of the decision. You can also find stories of women who greatly regret carrying an unplanned pregnancy to term. It goes both ways, which is why we should allow women to choose and we should be supportive of the choice made."
"I am con because a baby is a baby. At 24 days it has a heartbeat. It a human being at 24 days. You can hear it's heart beating. It may not look like a human being, but that baby is just as human as me or you are. A murderer is charged with murder when they kill a person so why should it not be the same when a woman aborts a baby. Its the same concept. Either way you are killing an innocent human being. The baby doesn't get to say "hey mommy. I love you. please don't kill me. even though you don't want me, I still want you." Somebody has to say that for the baby."
"Most abortions take place after 8 weeks. at this time the child can feel pain."
"Is murder legal?? No!!! Aborting a baby is certainly murder!!!! It doesn't get any more innocent then a baby!! No matter whAt stage in life!!"
"I dont even think its right even if you get raped because its not the babies fault"
"Would you kill a baby if you could see it in front of you? No? alright then. Abortion is murder. No matter how others try to say it's a "right" or it's "Okay" its not. there is a wonderful thing called adoption. instead of abortion, put the baby up for adoption."
"There was actually a court case where someone didn't want to donate an organ to a family member. Guess who won? The owner of the organ. There is precedence to controlling your own organs."
"no , abortion should'nt be legal because killing an unborn child is not right because the child deserve to live like any other human being should ."
"I feel the same way about organ donation. If you are a match to a dying person, you should no longer have a right to that excess organ. Someone will die without your organ, and you need to donate it. You are right, life trumps all else. We need to start a mandatory blood and organ match pool so we can start saving the lives of all these people dying waiting for organs."
"I think that abortion should not be legal because it is murder in my opinion because every human born or unborn has a reason to live whether they find it out when there three or when they find it out when they are thirty years old, every is made for a reason. God does everything for a reason, even if you were raped and got pregnant god does it for a reason, even if you think your not ready to become a parent god thinks you are ready or else he wouldn't give the gift of a baby."
"This is a great reason to be for forced blood donations. Not doing everything we can to save all lives is just hideous. Although, I do sometimes get stuck in the loop that if God does everything for a reason, was it intended that the person I am giving blood to should bleed out and die?"
"I just want to know one thing. Why would you want to kill your own baby. I don't know about y'all but if I have a child I would never want to kill or hurt him in any way. To me Abortion is just plain wrong and anyone who says it is just as dumb as the person who wants to get an Abortion. So, that's all I wanted to know. #Abortion should be illegal"
"I believe that abortion should be illegal because the mother is killing a innocent baby. I think the mother should carry the baby and nil he or she s born then put the baby up for adoption. Then the couple can care for the baby as the mother decided not to. I garrentee you will regret killing your child because the mother was being irresponsibe and careless. After adoption the child will be loved and cared for."
"Actually, according to the bible everyone is created in original sin, so the fetus isn't innocent at all. Either way, no life is more valuable than any other life, so even if the fetus is alive it cannot take precedence over the host. Or do you think the woman carrying the fetus has less right to life?"
"Abortion is an inhuman acy among women. They are considered humans and you are killing the. They feel the pain of an abortion. They should not be punished for foolish acts of adults."
"For those of you that disagree with me, please consider this; when you abort a pregnancy, you also take away the chance for a woman like me, who cannot have her own children, to adopt a perfectly healthy human being. I would do anything to carry my own child or feel the baby kick for the first time and to hear its heart beat for the very first time. It's unfortunate and incredibly sad to think some people think it's ok but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I just hope if anyone is going through a tough time deciding whether to keep the baby or to abort, think of women like me that will NEVER have the opportunity to say, "Honey, I'm pregnant." This is a life we are talking about here. Yes, sometimes it may not happen by choice but there is always a reason for everything. God doesn't make mistakes, He makes miracles happen. We are ALL fearfully and wonderfully made regardless of the circumstances."
"It is incredibly selfish and immoral to force another woman to carry a child against her will just so you can adopt a child. Not to mention that there are thousands and thousands of children out there to adopt. Please adopt a child out there now waiting for a good home, and stop trying to enslave women to get your perfect baby."
"PART 1:I am against abortion. Whether one wants to admit it or not, abortion is murder. Aborting a child hurts the child, the mother, and the world.It doesn't matter if the mother wants to give up the child or not, aborting the baby means killing the child. Unborn babies are humans, even by the US government. The federal Unborn Victims of Violence Act "to protect unborn children from assault and murder". This ac declares unborn babies to be humans, and many other states have been following this way. When a baby is conceived, from then on he or she is on the path to life, growing each and every day. Many of those whom support abortion argue that the baby will undergo a life of pain, being that they are not wanted in this world by their parents. However, this argument is logically flawed. Maureen Condic, a professor at the University Utah School of Medicine says that fetuses feel pain during an abortion. Therefore, in aborting a child in an attempting to avoid pain to the child, one ironically actually causes the child pain."
"Like the famous quote by Ronald Reagan goes "I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born." Enough said."
"you know, rape, is a very small percentage and that percentage is the exception to this very simple rule. IF YOU DONT WANT A BABY, DONT HAVE SEX. sex literally only exists for means of reproduction. these days all the young women and running around sleeping with whoever and getting pregnant and shirking responsibility to THEIR ACTIONS. they punishment of these choices is the loss of life. there are so many different options that it completely astounds me that women actually go 'hey i dont want my baby (the result of her having unprotected sex) so i think i should kill it so i dont have to take care of it' that CHOICE that all of you pro-choicers are talking about is an incredibly selfish and irresponsible one."
"if scientists found a bacterium on mars, it would be considered life. how is it that a 2o-something week old fetus is not considered life? the basic idea of abortion is, very simply, ending the life of a being that if left to grow would become a person. if a woman choses not to abort her baby, that baby would continue life and be born. abortion is interrupting life's natural process. everyone says 'oh, a woman can do what she wants with her body' but the fact is that a fetus is not her body. killing a baby is the equivalent of murdering an adult."
"I'm against abortion because it is killing an innocent baby. People say that life doesn't start till you're outside the womb, but then how does the baby come out of the womb alive and how does the baby move around inside the womb? People say that babies cant feel the pain of abortion when they really can. Abortion can also lead to later miscarriages and later health issues to the mother."
"Every baby has the right to live. Just because you don't want the child, doesn't mean you kill it, there is so many people out there that want children and can't have them, so find one of those people, have the baby and give it to them. Abortion is murder, and that baby has no reason to die."
"No, abortion should not be legal. This is going to sound rude but, its the truth if you are going to willingly have sex without any kind of protection then you should consider you consequents. An unborn child is just as much human as 1 week pregnant as it is at 2 months old."
"A child is not a consequence but a miracle. There is a reason why everything happens... you never know the sweet baby could change your life for the better or better yet someone else's! ^.^ the babies that been aborted could of been the person to find a cure for cancer or be the person to make the earth a better place, but we will never know because they didnt get the choice to live as they were planned to. -_-"
"Abortion should be illegal because conception is the beginning of life. That is not your life inside your stomach that is a whole NEW life."
"I am completely against abortion. Why? Because, within only a few weeks, the fetus has a heartbeat and is already starting to form. Fetus is the Latin word for an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception. So I believe in making abortion illegal. I am only 17 and already had a child from being raped. But instead of killing the unborn human, I waited until she was born and gave her to a family or couple who couldn't have a child of their own. That is more humane than killing. I helped some one have a child to call their own. The baby will know who I am and will grow up to call me Auntie. Because I did the right and more moral humane choice. This should be the only way for an unborn baby. Life.. NOT DEATH."
"Abortion should be illegal since it is against God's law and, although it is your choice, you should choose to give a child a chance to live and enjoy a life that God has given this human being."
"If one views abortion as a "right", then you must also look at the "right" of the unborn child and the "right" of the father. The choice should actually start with contraception, or better yet, the choice not to have sex until marriage. There are too many people wanting and willing to adopt the unwanted child and even willing to help the mother with her medical bills during the pregnancy. It is time for the people in this country to start having consideration for others, instead of just themselves, especially when it comes to the choice of terminating a life."
"Although I do believe that abortion should be legal in certain circumstances such as rape or incest, or health reasons, I do believe that it ends the possibility of human life. Just something to think about- I see hypocrisy on both sides of the argument. Many who are for abortion and believe it's preventing a terrible life the child must live would scream murder at an animal being put down because of injury. Is this not the same thing in both cases, preventing low-quality life? Yet animal=murder; abortion=not. It's the same for those with anti abortion views who would kill the animal- abortion=murder; killing the animal=not. And, while this is my opinion, if men were the ones to carry the baby, I bet abortion would be 100% legal and free. The problem really lies within social issues. If women and teens weren't shamed for being unmarried and pregnant, if women were truly considered equal to men, if people weren't so greedy, or even if the adoption system wasn't so complicated, we wouldn't have the need for all this arguing."
"The animal, it is they are enemies to kill, but they will never lose the child. Are we human beings are not even the animal?"
"Many people say that Abortion is about a woman having a choice in aborting the fetus. This just saddens me because that is not just a fetus, but a child. A human being with a whole life ahead of them. Just because you are suffering and do not want the child doesn't mean you should have to go as far as end it.In my American Government class, I usually stay quiet because I am a strong Conservative and Christian, and most of the other girls in my grade, including my teacher, are Liberals. But hearing many of them saying that carrying the child would make them unhappy, I feel that they fail to realize that the child's LIFE is at stake. They have to think about how awful it must be for the child. Do they get a say in wether they get to live or not? No.You can go ahead and tell me that I'm wrong, but I believe that from the moment of conception, there is a child who can go on to life a great life, and make choices. All of our mothers let us live, so why can't we do the same?"
"I am con because I say that people shouldn't have an abortion when the baby didn't ask to be brought into the world. They shouldn't have to have their life taking away from them because their parents don't want them. How would you feel if your birth mother took your life away before you were even born. This is why I go with con about abortion."
"because Abortion is genocide. Women can preach all they want about how "its their body, their choice" but theirs is not the only "body" involved. A human doesnt have the right to decide whether an innocent life lives or dies. The fetus is literally ripped out of the womb and cut to pieces, in what universe is that humane?"
"abortion is wrong the baby is a life no matter what."
"i am against it because you are making a Decision for a person that has no say in it."
"Think about this: We have the right to free speech, press, peaceful assembly, etc. Hundreds, even thousands of men died to achieve these rights. So if they are so important, what about the right to life? Is it not even more important? So shouldn't everyone be given the right to life? And if the right to life is taken away, what is the point of all the other rights our country paid so much for?- a 14-year-old"
"It is a human life, and even if it isn't, it will be be. You are still depriving that poor baby of its life, and painfully. Abortion is murder."
"Well, in my opinion abortion must not be legalized because to do the abortion means to kill someone. Babies are not like bad teeth to be jerked out just because they cause suffering. An unborn baby is a baby nevertheless."
"I don't believe abortion should be okay UNLESS you are a rape victim. That is the ONLY case in which I could see where it would be okay. A great percentage of women that have abortions are between the ages of 14 and 24 and personally I am sick and tired of people thinking that abortion is a form of birth control because it is NOT! You should not AT ALL be allowed to have an abortion just because you're 16 and your parents didn't teach you what condoms are or you didn't know you had to use one and now you accidentally get knocked up. I feel like you should've been more responsible and USED A FORM OF BIRTH CONTROL!!! There are so many ways to protect yourself from pregnancy. I feel like if you think you're old enough to start having sex, be old enough to know the risks and take the precautions. The reason why many parents tell their children that it's better to wait to have sex is because many of them are IRRESPONSIBLE! Parents, teach your kids how to have safe sex if they're going to do it. Kids, listen to your parents and wrap it up. Abortion is WRONG and should be illegal. End of story."
"You say it's only good for rape victims?What about the following situations as well;-Incest-The mother/parasite (that's what I call a fetus) will die during labor (One or the other, or both.)-Deformities tat could later result in the parasite stopping process and remain in the womb at a certain stage, resulting in stillborn or miscarriage.Teaching the child doesn't help either, teens and kids will have sex, regardless of warnings."
"i am against abortion. Who are you to say that a child should live or not? Even if they end up being in foster care, isn't that a lot better than being dead?? and because of what? the mother not being able to support her child for selfish reasons."
"Every person you love, every person you know every person that has ever effected your life, every person ever to live has come from birth. So by definition, Every person in the world could have been aborted. Imagine your mother never being born, the wife that killed in the clinic. Even worse, what if the most influential people in modern society wasn't born. What if we have already some. If you have been raped the one responsible should be punished. Not the future generations. Protect our future."
"This makes no sense. If people didn't have sex, no one would exist either. So are you for forced copulation? And why do people keep assuming everyone is going to be an amazing citizen! This just drives me bonkers. Think about how this world be if no criminal were born rather than if no "amazing superstar" was born. There are more criminals than super stars. You entire logic is flawed, and relies on forced pregnancy. I think a world without forced pregnancy would be wonderful. If my mother did not want me in her womb and because of that I did not exist, that would be great. I would HATE to be in this world as a result of forcing my mother to do something she did NOT want to do. In my mind, that would make me evil. To desire to exist at the expense of my mother, no way. Such a bad thought."
"You say "You want to control your own life. Why can't that baby get the same treatment as you."Why can't the woman have the same treatment? You are actually letting the potential baby control her.The rest of our argument makes no sense. Rape is illegal, and so should be taking another's body against their will. Thank you for supporting our points with that one. And it makes no sense to compare asking someone to not rape you to being allowed to shoot someone who is not harming you up. All a woman who gets an abortion is doing is asking not to share her body against her will. Anyone asking not to be mugged or raped is asking the same thing. Anyone asking not to be forced to donate blood is asking the same thing. So why is it invalid when a pregnant woman does it?And just an FYI: If a child becomes too much of a both to any parent, they DO have a right to terminate the relationship (and it isn't even called murder!). This is why we have thousands of kids in foster care. So you are asking, yet again, a pregnant women to have LESS rights than others in society."
"I think your point is quite valid. However,1. Forced copulation a. If no one had sex we wouldn't be debating. b. No one has the right rape another person. Whether it be a rapist, lab based or whatever. We however, have the right to live.2. If you want to die instead of getting a vaccination, is the vaccination the real problem sir. Same for seat belts. 3. No every one may not be special. There is a chance though. The statement you made, shows that you would be able to take that risk. I wouldn't be able to gamble with a human life.4. "I would HATE to be in this world as a result of forcing my mother to do something she did NOT want to do." If your mother has the right to kill you in the womb why can't she kill you later. Maybe you pooped too much. Your mother felt that you had become to much of a bother for her.Maybe, In elementary you start acting out. Your mother gets tired of your behavior and kills you. Maybe you do become a bad person. She gets the right to go GI joe fill you full of bullet holes. Lives don't equate to chooses. If one person can choose if another person dies, how are we equal. In conclusion, You want to control your own life. Why can't that baby get the same treatment as you."
"What else are you for making people do in the name of "saving a life?" Is forced vaccination okay, since these diseases kill? Is forced medical treatment okay? What about laws requiring helmets and seat belts? It is interesting to think where one's rights end and society can start controlling you. I, personally, and against the "nanny state" telling people what they can and cannot do even if it "saves a life." Different people have different risk analysis. I may decide the risk associated with not wearing a helmet or drinking sugary drinks is okay, another may not. I may think the risks associated with pregnancy are not okay, but another may invite them. Either way, no one should be able to make you give you health to another. I wonder how that would stand up in court in other situations where even children tried to force bodily resources from their parents."
"our life isa gift. why would you take it away from someone who hasnt done anything."
"James: Yes, living is a crime if you decide to steal someone's kidney to do it. Just saying."
""Rape, illegal. Assault, illegal. Mugging, illegal."Is just living a crime comparable to rape. If it is I am sorry, I am alive. Not."
"Why would you let someone use someone else's body without permission? Rape, illegal. Assault, illegal. Mugging, illegal. But take up residence inside someone, and suddenly it is okay?"
"People don't never understand the wrong and the right. And what's wrong is that abortion isn't good. It's understandable if you got raped but that is not an excuse for you to kill a little baby. What you can do is that let somebody adopt your child and just like that you didn't kill the baby and you don't have to take care of it also."
"I just want to point out that you are saying "and you don't have to take care of it also." But really you mean "You have to take care of it, risk your life, risk your well being, risk your job, risk your friends, etc for nine month and THEN you can give the newborn up for adoption, if the father doesn't try to claim custody and if you can find someone when there are over 10K kids in the foster care system,"You are making pregnancy sound simple. Is not. It is a lot work and I do not think any woman comes out in better health. People also have to take a semester off of school, or lose the chance at that promotion. And you also make adoption sound simple, when it is not. The grieving process from an adoption can last decades.You say "People don't never understand the wrong and the right." and then you basically go on to say that women don't matter and should be slaves to whoever needs their body. That is what sounds wrong."
"according to the research abortion should be illegal but why is the bald eagles babies protected but when humans do it your murdering a soul they could be a inspiration to kids everywhere. they could be the next great president. you should listen to john Lennon's song imagine"
"Look up Romanian history from 1965 -1989. Perfect example of what the US can become."
"How could someone down vote this! Romania banned abortion, and everything was great until it was reinstated in 1990. This is the model the US should try to follow. Really, look it up."
"The abortion is one of the most controversial political issues in the world but abortion, means choosing end a pregnancy. In fact, the debate on abortion encompasses diverse problems because through it is going to put on question the concepts about life; of the institutions; the relationship between mortality and law and the debate about his close relationship or of its necessary separation.If it is true that every person has freedoms that are carried out through their rights this ends when begins the other, for this affirmation a woman's right ends when the right of being that develops within she, has begun. So that you choice, is not if you want to be a mother or not, is that if you want to be the mother of a child live or a dead child."
"Why, why, why!!! Why would someone do something that evil as aborting a baby???"
"I know! One of my ex-friends did this because she had cancer. She killed her kid to live. Who does that? People sacrifice themselves to save others all the time, but she chose not to. Who does that?"
"I am totally against abortion !I see at is if you can have sex and even if your a teen and you think you can handle sex then you should be able to take care of a child yes, sometimes condoms and birth control messes up but you still put yourself in that position don't sit there and kill your baby because you can't handle it or don't want it give it to someone who can't have kids dont end their lives because YOU made a mistake ! There is NO reason for abortion & anyone who is with it disguest me !!"
"PART 3: Lastly, having an abortion may actually be harmful on a broader scale, as it may hurt the world as a whole. More abortions means less babies to adopt, and this could prove problematic for those looking to adopt children. Similarly, permitting abortion promotes an idea that killing is okay, being that abortion is killing, and abortion is okay. This promotion might increase killing and similar acts. Finally, having an abortion can actually hurt the world because of what it may take away. When a life is taken away so early, all of the child's possible successes decrease, being that the child doesn't exist. Therefore, if one of these children was destined to cure cancer, but then was aborted, what happens to that cure?! It ceases to exist. These children need to be born. They are important to our society today, and to our society in the future."
"I love that someone down-rated a post that said:1) forced pregnancy is wrong2) adopt existing childrenHow can anyone disagree with that!"
"Forcing a woman to carry a baby against her will so another couple can adopt is slavery. That is really bad for the world.There are thousands of children out there right now waiting for homes. Please encourage adopting of the existing children rather than enslaving women who dearly do not want to carry a pregnancy."
"It has nothing to do with the women carrying or the people looking to adopt. These are chooses that other people made. If you have right to choose to abort a child, shouldn't the child have the right to choose to live. A fetus cannot express a will to live though, so you want to take its choice away and make it about the women."
"Abortion should be illegal in thee U.S. When doing an abortion your are committing a murder. Some people may say"oh the child is not fully developed yet", but the reality is that you a re killing the child's future and life. Even though you killed him/her at a primitive stage, their future is gone, and my definition of murder is the killing of a living organism that prevents him/her from living life in the future. If you don't want the baby because you got raped then you should leave him/her for abortion. This way the child will never figure out that he/she was the result of an accident."
"Abortion is murder"
""Ive notieced everyone thats for abortion is alive""
"Not a good argument, but those who support abortion or are pro-choice are just trying to keep a mother safe, and it's best not o bring kids into an already overcrowded world."
"I am against abortions because basically you are killing a life that can save one at one point in time and another thing i no for a fact that this is getting very frustrating to families thank you"
"Though some people may consider abortion to be necessary, such people are fools. Abortion is cold-blooded murder, though only a select few see the light."
"a child should be alive because it is God's gift to us.. They're innocent.."
"I actually feel a bit for both sides of the argument, but my main problem with the Pro side is that a lot of people try to set parameters for when a fetus is legally considered a human being, as if rules mean that abortion itself isn't removing the possibility of a human life.And that's dumb.When conception begins, and those cells start to multiply and form a more complex organism, it's very likely that this process, if seen to its end, will produce a baby. This process is pretty well document