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"Drive drunk and get in an accident and need an organ transplant? No problem. Messing around with a gun, accidently shoot yourself in the leg and need surgery? Of course. Smoke tobacco for most of your life and need treatment for lung cancer? Yep. Have sex and get pregnant when you don't want to be? YOU GOT YOURSELF INTO THIS SITUATION AND YOU DESERVE NO MEDICAL ATTENTION OR COMPASSION! THIS IS YOUR FAULT AND YOU WILL DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES.Sorry, something doesn't add up here."
"the thing that doesn't "add up" is that your getting drunk, smoking, messing with a gun, and having sex so careless. organ transplants don't come so easy by the way. the only thing you are right about is that you don't deserve compassion about killing a baby."
"I am pro-choice. I believe life begins at conception, but I do not consider abortion murder. This is because a fetus is not a "separate" life until it is born. I consider abortion much like cutting off one's finger, which is not murder even though the finger becomes dead flesh. That finger was not a separate life, so removing it from life support is not murder. Abortion is never a desirable choice. No one ever said, "I feel good. Let's go have an abortion." Abortion is always chosen as the lesser of two evils. Giving birth should never be considered as punishment for engaging in sex. This demeans the value of life. I hope I never stand in judgement of a woman, who is in a position that I will never stand in (I am male). I am willing to compromise and disallow third trimester abortions. The fetus is not yet a "separate" life, but by this point is a "separable" life. That is enough of a gray area that I am willing to concede that area to pro-lifers. I hope that I, and any woman that I am with, never chose abortion, but I will not throw stones at those who do. The most admirable phrase that I have heard on this subject is that "Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare." That is a goal that I am willing to work for."
"Abortion is controlled by Scientific Laws that show abortion saves life and pro life ideas lead to death. It is a scientific fact that pro lifers have a choice, they may save innocent born babies, children and adults or they may make the choice to let them die and save a fetus instead.There are 1.8 born people dying each second. They are dying faster than they can be saved. If pro lifers choose to save them, then they can in fact be saved. If pro lifers choose to let them die and save a fetus instead, then they die. Of course that is true for all other people as well. But there is only one group of people that claim to save life and in fact choose to let born people die in an effort to save fetuses. The legal concept of "murder by omission" applies here. Pro lifers have a duty to save life because they in fact claim to save life. However, instead of saving life, pro lifers choose to let one life die in an effort to save a zygote. The most enlightening part of their situation is that there is only a 30 percent chance that any zygote will become a born human. So when a pro lifer makes the choice to let a baby die to save a zygote, he fails 70 percent of the time. In that situation, babies and zygotes both die."
"I believe that it is a way to give the women who are raped a chance to keep their youth as much as possible."
"What is the meaning of life and why is it important?Answer: NO ONE KNOWSThis is a question we all ask and we come up with possible answers unique from person to person. For some, various religions around the world make the most sense. For others, the scientific method is all they need. The fact is, anything is possible and no one group is 100% correct. There's always the possibility of a god just outside the reach of science, and there's also the possibility there isn't. Also, who's to say what came before and what comes after life won't be better? We just don't know.A huge problem arises when people believe their view is the truth, and don't accept the possibility for anything else. Placing restrictions on abortion is a huge example of this. I believe that each one of us should decide for themselves what is important to them and their lives, since no one knows the answer to the first question. This is why I'm pro choice."
"I can say I am not sure on the topic either, but I am grateful I have the right to decide for myself since it is my body. I appreciate what you said about people believing their own truth is the only truth for everyone. And I agree that way of thinking is dangerous, because it presumes that one person is not only capable of making a decision for another but presumes to enforce their will on someone to whom they have no ties or genuine interest, honestly. There would be no controversy if the answer were clearly clear every time for everyone. It's really refreshing to hear someone say that no-one knows. Everyone claims to know and not only are sure of their view, but sometimes really nasty in putting it out there. Thanks for an actual thoughtful opinion , Adam."
"I'm interested more in replies than votes. I want to hear opinions."
"I like the way a lot of anti-abortionists believe that having an abortion is selfish.Let us take a look at what "selfish" actually means:"concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself : seeking or concentrating on one's own advantage, pleasure, or well-being without regard for others" - Mariam-Webster Dictionary.Now that we know this, let's have a look at the reasons people have babies:1.) You want to create a family. Why? Give me one unselfish reason for wanting a family. I bet you can't.2.) To take on a new challenge. In other words, you get satisfaction from taking on a challenge. Again, that sounds like a pretty self-concerned reason.3.) I like children and want one of my own. So, why not adopt? Why does it have to be your own? Again, another "I want for me" reason.4.) To bring a life into the world. Why do you want to bring a life into the world? Because it makes you feel good about yourself, right?What I'm trying to say here, is that we are all technically "selfish". You can't use it as an argument against abortion unless you are currently raising a child that you do not love or want, so you might as well stop."
"My thoughts exactly!!! Great post!!!"
"I'm pretty sure that the primary reason why someone is pro-life is because they feel abortion terminates the life of a living human being.Nothing about selfishness, just that someone innocent is being killed."
"Oppression and slavery are the worst sins. Forcing people to use their bodies against their will to sustain anyone is infinitely worse than the potential loss of life by terminating such an arrangement. It is impossible to do anything to deserve having your body used against your will."
"Reina C: I feel sad that you think a woman's life is worth less than other life. Forcing a woman to use her body to sustain anyone places her value at less than a corpse. We don't even force organ donation by corpses not using their organs, but a woman? Yes, lets force her to risk her life sustaining another being against her will. In the US with great medical care 1 in 4800 women still DIE from pregnancy complications. In countries with less medical care the number is 1 in 7. Pregnancy is dangerous, and so much more dangerous than accepting an organ from a corpse.I respect all life, I am just a realist regarding who is allowed to use other people's bodies against their will."
"I feel bad for you that you think human life is an "arrangement".. How sad you must be...."
"One of the Scientific Abortion Laws makes it clear that any choice to have sex is implied consent to abortion. Why? 70 percent of all conceptions end in natural abortion. Therefore, any choice to have sex will end in abortion 70 percent of the time.A natural abortion (miscarriage) is in fact not normally planned or initiated by a woman. However, the knowledge that she will abort 70 percent of her conceptions should be obvious. If she is not aware of the 70 percent figure, surely she is aware that she will abort at least 20 / 30 percent of her conceptions. So she is aware of what she is doing.The fact is that pro lifers believe that a zygote/embryo/fetus is a baby. So they know that they are simply creating a baby that they know will die.Pro lifers intentionally have sex knowing they will cause the death of a baby. However, pro choice women frequently do not believe the zygote is a baby. So when they choose to have sex, they are not making an intentional choice to kill a baby. In the case of pro lifers, they choose to have sex knowing a baby will die and in the case of pro choice women they choose to have sex not believing they are killing a baby. Which is the moral position?"
"Jamie: I believe the point being made is that having sex is conducting an act where you know the outcome will be death in most cases. In other scenarios, that would be neglect. People go to jail for that.Pointing out how we treat a fetus differently than a person is incredibly important. I had many many miscarrages until it was found I had a disorder. If a fetus is a person, why aren't my doctors being charged with malpractice? I can see after the first one they could say "we didn't know", but when you get to the third if it was a person heads would roll. Imagine a doctor allowing three adults to die in a row without investigating.We even have pregnancy crisis center workers telling women to "hope for a miscarrage." If someone hoped for an adult to die, they could be placed in a psychiatric ward."
""natural abortion" this is a horrible comparison.A miscarriage is not the same as an abortion. A miscarriage is by natural causes. An abortion is a willful act to terminate a living being.You might just as well say that murder is not murder, it's actually a natural death. This is, of course, ludicrous.Or, you might as well say that since we all know that everyone will die, then it should be okay to kill anyone.. .cause, hey, we're gonna die anyway.This is an adolescent attempt to shirk the responsibility involved in MAKING the death happen. Very, very faulty."
"One more thing I need to mention. In my opinion, no one should be able to take away a person's right to the freedom of choice. Everyone should have the right to choose what they want to do with themselves. If you think abortions are right, I'm fine with that, that's your choice. But I don't think it's ok for people to refuse to give people a choice in the matter. Like I said, everyone has the right to choice."
"@Genesis There are a few problems I have with you're statement, but I guess I should start off by saying that all of those methods that are used to prevent abortion (the exception being abstinence), are not a 100% guarantee. Also, do you have any scientific proof to back up your claims that abortion is murder, or are you just speaking from a personal or religious opinion, because I'm sure there are plenty of pro-choice people that would be glad to show you that life does not begin at conception. But in the end you'll probably just ignore and continue spotting the same stuff you always say, because that's just how "discussions" like this go isn't it."
"@Jamie the reason that abortion is different than the choices you're implying is that drinking and driving has physical consequence to outside forces, i.e. pedestrians, other drivers, and damage to property. Abortion, on the other hand, has no physical ramifications to an outside party. and before you give me the old argument of "but your killing baby's." I have actually tried to research the other side of the argument. The main problem I've run into is that there is no one definite opinion on where life begins. I've seen arguments ranging from it beginning at conception to beginning at birth, and everything in between."
"Josh we already do not give people the choice to drink and drive. You agree with this lost freedom to choose, right?So why are you against losing the freedom to terminate an unborn child?Saying that you are against limiting abortions simply because it limits choice is not a good argument. You must go further to explain why this choice (to have an abortion) is different than the choice to drink and drive."
"Abortion is murder and we say murder is wrong and they will be punished for their crime so doctors and woman that practice abortion should go to jail and plus if they didn't want to get pregnant their are so many ways to prevent pregnancy or don't have sex at all if your not ready to be a parent its not right to take a innocent life just because they didn't take the steps necessary to prevent pregnancy. Also their are so many couples that want a baby and cant so they should have the right to adopt a baby. Its funny that you think its ok to get in abortion since you already had the chance to live then its ok. Think about this what if you got aborted you wont like it. We don't know the pain that the babies go throw when they get ripped apart by the doctors"
"It's a woman's body, no one else's. SHE and NO ONE ELSE has the right to decide what is best for her. Men and women who have never had an abortion think it's okay to decide for someone else's body. you feel like woman are being selfish but aren't you? Do you really want a poverty stricken child because your god thinks they're bad? Dictate YOUR own life, not some one else's."
"What are you supposed to tell the 11 year old who was raped by her father and brother for years that got pregnant. "Oh, you have to go through with pregnancy?" It is her body, let her be"
"I am pro because the rights of those who are already born come first. No one should be forced to give up time from work, income, comfort, health, and safety for someone they didn't even want to bring into the world. The fetus is non-sentient, it lives within another person for 9 months, and no one has the right to use another person's body without their permission. Pro-lifers want to give a fetus more rights than anyone else by allowing it to reside inside someone who does not give consent. Making abortion illegal also does not stop abortions. It makes abortions less safe and risks the lives of thousands of people. Abortion must be legal and remain legal regardless of the reason in which the pregnant person wants the abortion. You can not judge someone you do not know on their circumstances and if they want an abortion then they should have that right. If they want to go through with the pregnancy then that's their choice too and both should be fully supported."
"As was once said to me, " the worst sin you can commit is to bring an unwanted child into the world." Having grown up with 2 parents who should not have been parents, I agree with that statement. I think it is an act of mercy to not bring a child into this world when you can not feed it, love it or provided for it. Subsequently, since I don't believe we only get one chance at being born, I don't see the child as being punished, but rather a choice being made. If that soul wants to be born, it will find another human to come through. In the end, I think choosing to have a child or not is a personal choice that can only be decided by the couple and their family."
"I personally think abortion should be legal. But here's something for the pro-life people should think about. You say that people could always send kids they don't want to adoption centers, right? But I have seen plenty of cases were adoption centers have stopped taking more children because could barely handle the ones they have, and sure that will happen more if abortion and contraceptives are outlawed. Think about that."
"I am pro. it isn't up to politicians or others to say whether it is right or not, it is only up to the woman who is having it done. if u r against it fine don't have one"
"I think abortion should be legal, up to the point of where it feels pain (26 weeks as this article states.) but could be later if something was to develop endangering the mother or the child. (If not physically, mentally.) I know many of the Pro-Life will stand by the adoption process, and it can work, but the mother shouldn't have to give birth for someone else to have a baby. The woman would wait months and feel intense pain for the child that she wouldn't even want. 'It's their responsibility' Pro-lifers may say, but it shouldn't be their responsibility to decide that for the mother.According to the Donohue-Levitt Hypothesis, the Roe V. Wade making abortion legal actually reduced crime. Being unready or unprepared for bringing a child into this world, could not only hurt the mother's career in life, it could ruin their children's lives. After aborting, a mother, when ready, could begin to start a family. The lives of these potential children are more likely to be better than the one that could have been.Truth is, you should decide what is right or wrong. If you think abortion is wrong, don't do it. If your pro-choice and can't handle the responsibility? Make the call."
"When you get an abortion, most of the time women do it before the baby has even developed, therefore it is technically NOT murder. It is just like killing flu cells. Would you count killing cancer cells as murder? Yeah, I thought not.And, it is the woman's right to decide. If she doesn't want to get an abortion? Fine. If she does? Fine. Saying that it should be illegal is like saying it is illegal for someone to wear jeans. I know, crazy right? Well, that's exactly what you're telling these women who want to get an abortion, and can't."
"It's the woman's right to decide what she does with her body. It's not selfish to have an abortion when one doesn't have the money to support the child. Better that then have them raised potentially without basic resources such as food, water, or shelter. In all honesty, people will have abortions regardless of whether or not they're legal. Legal abortions are more sterile and safe. Even if abortion is legal, it doesn't mean you have to get one anyways. This just makes it more available to those who would like to have one."
"Yes, because control of your body is a basic human right. If we cannot have laws that respect and protect human rights, then there is no point to having them at all."
"The right to live is a basic right also, why is that not important to you. I bet it would be if it was YOUR life in question!"
"Abortion should be legal because even though people may abuse the privilege, but if someone cant afford a baby, or if they get raped, why should we force them to have it."
"Yes. Because say you get raped, would you really want to carry around some pervert's child? and what if you are 15? or are mentally, physically or emotionally unstable, what child would want to grow up in that kind of environment?"
"I wouldn't care if it was some perverts child its not the child's fault. I'd be rational and put him or her up for adoption have a closed adoption anything to allow that child to have a better life."
"if you know your not mentally or physically stable to take care of a child you should have taken the steps necessary to prevent a pregnancy I feel its as simple as that if you got raped it going to be hard but they should keep in mind that its not the babies faults so why are they going to pay for something they had nothing to do"
"I am pro because everyone should have the right to decide what they want in their and body and what they don't. If a person wants an abortion it should be their decision not anybody else's. If you can't care for a child or aren't fit enough to be a parent abortion should really be an option."
"its not only their body when they are pregnant they have another human begin in there that they have to think about if they didn't want the baby they shouldn't be having sex or prevent from getting pregnant because its easy to say im not ready for a baby but maybe if you didn't have sex then that wouldn't be the problem but no you rather get in abortion because they didn't do what they had to do to not get pregnant so they say im going to take the life of a innocent and beautiful baby"
"If you wanted to decide what was in your body, then why would you have sex/ get pregnant in the first place?"
"Let's say there's a bus crash. Many people are hurt. You made it out unscathed, and you're at the hospital after the accident. The hospital is running out of blood for transfusions. People are hurt and in need of blood, and you are healthy enough to be a donor. But you are not obligated to give up your blood to someone.Your sister is very sick and needs a liver transplant. You are a perfect match, and a piece of your liver could help her get better. You are still not obligated to donate your liver and undertake all of those surgical risks.You have a tiny child. It's only a few weeks past conception so it in order to survive it needs to live in your body, use up your nutrients and energy, and runs a significant risk of causing you serious or even fatal complications. Even if it's a true person and your child, you are not obligated to give up your body for it.No one should be forced to risk their life for the sake of another. They can make that choice if they wish to, but they shouldn't be forced towards either choice. Pregnancy takes a huge physical, emotional, and financial toll on a mother, even in the best of circumstances. People have a right to authority over their bodies and their health."
"I very much agree with your post. I really like and understand your post!"
"Abortion should always be a woman's choice without question. Nobody has the right to dictate to a woman what she can or cannot do with her body for any reason ever. Life begins when the fetus can survive on its own outside of the womb."
"I have an extremely cruel point of view on this subject. I'm not religious, and I don't think the afterlife exists. I think bad things happen at random, as do good things. I don't believe in things such as souls, however the concept of our complex brain neurons composing our personalities seems plausible. I think our lives are only important if we use them to better the world in general. I don't think we have a purpose. So I think a fetus in a womb is as insignificant as a sperm cell going to waste through masturbation. The con argument is that we're denying life to a baby, right? Well I'm denying a potential life right now by not having sex with a stranger to make a baby. That baby will never exist or get a chance at life. And that's the way the world works sometimes. It's cruel and random and realistic."
"your parents didn't abort you"
"i am pro life because the life of a child begins the very second it is conceived."
"I agree that the life of a child begins the very second it is conceived. I am pro-choice because it is not a separate life until it is born. It is interesting that you consider your statement to be pro-choice. Most "conception" types consider themselves to be pro-life."
"It's a woman's personal choice, not a choice that should be debated by old white men. It should be legal for those who want one."
"Olivia, when do you believe that thing inside a woman's body becomes a human being and it would be wrong to terminate it?Until the cord is cut? 1 min before passing thru birth canal? 1 month before birth? Conception? When?"
"Of course abortion should be legal. The world is overpopulated and that's one reason it's good with abortion. Another is that life is mostly cruel and depression becomes more and more common. It's therefore very egoistic to create another being to this suffering, only because you yourself want a bit of fun with your child in your otherwise dark and empty life. A human life is of no worth in the big whole, it doesn't matter if someone is born or not, maybe on a personal level for the mother or people the born will get to know etc, but sooner or later they too will die and nothing but history will remain and it will to fade away to nothing,"
"It truly is the mothers choice and no one else should tell her "this child will have to be yours. You must care for it and cannot do harm to it." If the mom doesn't feel ready for a baby yet, why force it? If this world has places like china where you cannot have more than one child, I'm sure we have plenty of people in this world. Killing ONE before its lived a full life will not make a difference."
"The ending of a human life is different than the ending of an animals life due only to humanities sentience. We hunt things like deer, rabbits, and buffalo because they are not sentient. An unborn fetus is not sentient. It cannot learn. It cannot be subjective. In fact a human is not sentient until around the age of 2. However post-birth abortion is murder. There should be no question of this."
"We are over populated and drowning in our own waste now"
"The PRO to abortion is that maybe someone got raped, or they just can't take care of the baby. Why bring a human being in this world if the parents can't take care of him/her. Abortion should be legal for good not bad. I"
"I believe in the women's right to choose because women will seek abortions due to their individual reasons. Most intelligent countries allow abortion to save the woman's life, and 59 countries to preserve health, 13 countries on socioeconomic grounds and 61 without restriction except many within 1st trimester. It is not as if we were a dying breed! It is not as if everyone who gives birth is a great parent! We have to have a license to drive but anyone can reproduce. We are the only industrialized country to turn abortion into a religious and legal argument!!! Like freedom of religion, it should be a personal choice!!!!!!"
"ok, so why don't you have a baby, sure. why not? and what if you're poor? oh ok. still lets have the baby. it'd be so cruel to have an abortion. why don't we put the child through the pain of most likely being placed in an orphanage, with crap education, bullying, depression, and in a lot of cases, suicide. So basically, you torture the child, with many of them not making it, or you kill them before they have experienced any of it."
"The thousands of farm animals slaughtered daily in the United States are all intellectually and mentally superior to a human fetus and, with that, a human infant. Seeing as the majority of Americans have deemed the slaughter of such animals to be acceptable, the only course of action which is morally and logically consistent is one which, at the least, allows for abortion."
"People are saying that this should be illegal because murder is a sin in the bible. Then they went to say that murdering a child is the worst murder imaginable. If you are going to use the bible to defend yourself, then you need to read more than what you want to hear because it says that all sin is equal. Therefore, if you lie to a person then you may as well be murdering them because it is equal in the eyes of god."
"A woman has the right to do whatever to her body. So no one should deny her the right to do what she thinks is best."
"Sure its your body, and you are correct saying that you should control what you do with it, but the body inside of your body is not your body. Since when did you have two heads? How about 2 sets of arms and legs?? Just saying you shouldn't be able to kill a body that's not yours..."
"Allowing abortion directly contradicts the Founding Fathers' intentions for an unalienable right to life in the United States. The Declaration of Independence  states that "[A]ll men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The founding fathers said all MEN are created equal... etc... etc..."
"Exactly. They said "unalienable Rights, that among these are LIFE...""
"I'm PRO because I feel that every women should be able to choose what happens inside of her body. It seems as though the people against abortion are the same people that are PRO gun laws, because they "violate the 2nd amendment". Well, if YOU were told by a doctor that giving birth would kill you, what would you think if the government told you that you just had to die? That you had NO choice in the matter?"
"The main argument I see with the cons is that they don't want to end a life. Should we make masturbating for men illegal because their sperm will become babies one day and by me masturbating (sorry to disturb anyone) I am wasting potential babies. So how far should we go before we consider a potential baby alive? I personally feel once it's born."
"if you dont like abortions, dont get one. Even if abortions become illegal people are still going to use an unsafe method to get rid of the fetus, which can be very dangerous and she could die as well as the baby."
"I laugh at all you "CON" people. Let me just address this to you plain and simple...You are not going to tell me what I am allowed to do and what I am not allowed to do. Do you remember being in your mothers stomach? No, because you weren't even aware that you were alive at that time. You had NO idea what life even was until you were able to comprehend things. Aprox. age 7. How many people do we have that are fostered? How many people do we have hungry? How many people do we have that are homeless? CONS you don't have an argument. The people against abortion are supportive to adoption but how many kids have they adopted? None. If I don't want my kid for a confidential reason, guaranteed the people against abortion wont either. You have no right to tell me that I can't have an abortion. Barack Obama said it himself, he has two great daughters that he continues to teach lessons and morals too, but if something does happen accidentally then he doesn't want them PUNISHED with a child. Totally ridiculous."
"When a mother is murdered how come there are not two murder charges? It is only one charge not two. You know, only because.....it's not alive yet....."
"A child is NOT a punishment! Its a blessing from God. And, by the way, babies in the womb CAN feel. Its a proven fact. Watch The Silent Scream. It is ultrasonic filming of an abortion taking place. It shows the preborn baby in the womb, thrashing about, screaming, (silently, cannot be heard from outside) as it tries to avoid the suction device which is twisting and tearing its head off. Babies in the womb CAN feel pain. They develop their full nerve system by the time they are 12 weeks old. At 8 weeks old, the baby is FULLY developed. He has a heartbeat, organs, limbs, and his own singular fingerprints!He can frown, grimace, pee, and even suck his thumb. It is a FACT that he is NOT just a bunch of cells, but a living, breathing, moving HUMAN BEING!And termination (abortion) of this baby, is in actual fact, MURDER!!!!"
"Abortion should be legal because if the women who got pregnant is forced to have the child, then the child would be unable to develop its needs as a human, proven through Maslow's hierarchy of needs. This psychological theory states if you do not have security of family, poverty, or mind then you cannot develop traits such as love and belonging or esteem for oneself. Without these traits, the child will lead a miserable and possibly psychopathic life. With an abortion carried out by a registered doctor, the women retains no sickness or infection. Also, according to the Guttmacher Institute, 9/10 of all abortions are done during the first trimester of pregnancy. This is before the fetus develops any vital organs. All of the Con arguments have seemed to omit this fact. They seem not to understand even the basics of pregnancy, and because of this fact cannot be trusted to put forth an argument on either side. This overwhelming evidence proves that abortion should be legal. Because women have the right to choose, children raised in an unstable environment don't completely develope, and 90% of all abortions are operated before the fetus develops organs, women should have the right to choose whether or not to have an abortion."
"Thank you for the reply. I do believe that the hierarchy of needs does affect the quality of life, and if these children aren't provided with these necessities they can't possibly live a fulfilling life. They would be miserable in their everyday lives. Most, if not all, of these children would have a detachment disorder, one that would inhibit their everyday lives and connections with people. Also, as of this September it was estimated that 400,000 children are in the United States Foster System. How could a child be treated as an individual when these amazing people in the system? Now, moving to your comment about when we become living beings with feelings. We can only begin to feel once our brain develops. The limbic system is one that develops once our brains have developed. You will recognize the brain as a vital organ, (I hope) one that has not developed in the first trimester. In conclusion, women have to right to do what they want with their body and it should be kept that way. Thank you for your very interesting and thought provoking comment, and I hope to hear some more of your ideas in the future."
"I dont see that Maslow has included the conclusion you've arrived at with regard to the hierarchy of needs being a justification for abortion. Is that your own idea?What if a born child were to be placed in a scenario that did not meet these requirements in a manner that you would justify termination of an unborn. Would you condone terminating a born infant if that were the case? I would assume not, but please confirm.Can you also confirm your stance on when we become a living human being? You mention vital organs, but you do not say when you feel we become a human being and so, I assume, you would then also be against terminating an unborn child.At what point would be for dictating what the mother can do with the baby... at birth? 1 month before birth? 1 min before birth?I do sincerely want to know."
"I would like to state that I have worked in the medical field for over 30 years, in a clinic and different hospitals. I have seen countless cases of pregnancies that have gone wrong and become dangerously complicated for the mother. I even witnessed the case of a pregnancy that was very much wanted and planned for by both parents only to produce an abnormal fetus that was certain to cause the mother's death if the pregnancy continued. I will never forget the tears of the parents as they left the doctor's office. Yet, I have also known extremist "pro-lifers" who are so fanatical in their views that they would deny an abortion even to those women whose pregnancies threaten their very lives and would condemn a woman who had an abortion for that emergency reason. What hypocritical arrogance!"
"So, to clarify Sissy, you are for banning most abortions - correct?You are against banning abortions where the mother's life is in danger, correct? That makes sense to me, but then again that makes up a very small fraction of the abortions performed.So where do you stand when the mother's "life" is not in danger and merely her (and the father's) "way of life" is in danger? Still okay with abortion then?"
"Abortion should be legal for several reasons1. Woman fought for THEIR RIGHT to choose therefore; it's NOT your decision. 2. Those of you arguing, "there is someone out there who would love to take your place, and be a mother." that's nice, so why are they not adopting? did you know about 40% of Children age out of foster care. just check out this site here: http://www.ccainstitute.org/why-we-do-it-/facts-and-statistics.html .3. How many of you Con people are really thinking and considering what this childs needs are going to be, as well as what kind of home they are going to be provided with? Do you truly think your beliefs are going to help this child once it's born? Don't be selfish.4. In all honesty do you consider the factor of the economy and the impact it will have if ALL fetuses were born into children?? 5. (my favorite) for those of you saying, "You should have taken the proper percautions." now think about this in a logical sense. You expect a woman to take care of her child after she can barely make simple decisions to protect herself? Grated some woman can, but not everyone is the same, some people take longer to mature.HAVE A HEART PEOPLE!!!"
"seriously your saying have a heart when your going pro abortion. why don't you read that line and think about it who has the heart the people trying to protect a life or the ones killing it. on top of that yea woman fought for their rights but that doesn't give her the right to take a the life of someone else in this case the baby and yea true 40 percent grow out of foster homes but your only looking at the negative 60 percent actually get a family and last time i check thats more than 40% and we do think of those things your saying but there alway is a way a much better one the abortion life is strugle for EVERYONE using this as an excuse to kill is cold and heartless and yes it could have an effect on the economy but the same go's to if abortion is legalize it wont help but hurt it and the children can actually help the economy and no but thats why there is adoption or other option and a child can actually change a person to good and make them mature more have a good day and get a heart"
"60% is more than 40%, but that doesn't mean that 40% doesn't deserve a family that loves them.>>>>>Last I checked that 60% isn't somehow going to compensate for the 40%. <<<<<Life is a struggle for everyone, it really is, but people who have a family to support them makes it better wouldn't you say?Being a mother doesn't change everyone (as I already stated, if you even BOTHERED reading thoroughly what I had posted) and I can say that from KNOWING mothers who have not changed. Can you?Obviously not because you're still "pro life", this title happens to be an oxymoron considering you people don't care about these children after they are born. This is why I say, "Have a heart""
"The ignorance behind the "con" arguments makes me really sad. Pro-choice is exactly what is says. Pro CHOICE. Not pro-abortion. No one is pro-abortion. It's almost as if people think the woman's life doesn't matter. If bacteria doesn't qualify as life then how can a single-celled fetus? Death of the mother in childbirth is on the rise. And at this point in my life, if I got pregnant, I would have an abortion. I'm a college senior, totally broke, and could not care for a child. Maybe my boyfriend and his ex didn't feel the same way when they had their son, despite having used multiple forms of birth control, but they had the choice. His ex had the choice. And it is her right to. And later in my life, I'd rather adopt than have my own child. There are already way too many kids in the system. I could go on and on about this forever, but the point is don't go jumping to assumptions and conclusions and making rash blanket decisions that affect thousands of living people. Don't just say "O but thatz rong cuz its killin a babies!" That's horribly disrespectful to those who thought long and hard about a choice they had the right to make. And please, keep religion out of the U.S. constitutional arena."
"Bacteria does qualify as life, you're thinking viruses. As for death of the mother in childbirth on the rise, you're absolutely true of that. Between 1913 and 1977 the mother's death rate dropped from 1 in 100 births to 10 in 100,000. But from 1977 to 2013 the statistics rose to 13 in 100,000. The reason for this mainly has to do with obesity (it appears to be the cause of every problem in America), age (women are putting off childbirth until settled in their careers. Some put off childbirth untill their forties and doctors have noticed higher blood pressure and health problems involved), and lastly mistakes with caesarean sections (Because even doctors make mistakes). (I got this information from an NBC article, bing it.) I agree with you, let's keep religion out of the debate. From the moment the sperm meets the egg, a unique being is created with genetics no other person has. This being is not fully developed from our point of view, just as a child is not fully developed from an adult's point of view. When out of the womb it has no memories of the womb just as an Alzheimer's patient has his or her difficulties with memory. You're right. It is easy to jump to conclusions that affect thousands of people when you cannot see them."
"We know with 100% certainty that women are alive. Women have heartbeats and a brain that functions. As far as the fetus is concerned, when life begins is completely irrelevant. We do not require anyone else in society to be an obligate donor. No one is required to donate blood, marrow, or a kidney to anyone else, even their own child. Pregnancy is risky. 1 in 4800 women in the US die of pregnancy complications, and that is just the number that die. May more suffer complications, some minor such as losing the ability to control one's bowels, and some major, such as eclampsia. No one should be required to give their health, wellbeing, or life to another. That is a personal choice that must be given, not taken. Women have the right to control their health, wellbeing, and women have the right to protect their lives. Abortion protects this right."
"Charlie: I found the numbers. According to the Women's Center 0.6 per 100 000 abortion procedures result in death. So that is significantly safer than pregnancy."
"Charlie: Abortion is much much less risky than pregnancy. Please do look up the numbers. I believe the numbers right now are that over 85% of abortions in the US are in the first trimester, and first trimester abortions have a less than 1% major complication rate, and even those major complications dwarf the major complications associated with pregnancy.I actually know several woman who have gotten abortions, and none of them had any complication at all. However, I do know many women who have suffered seriously due to their pregnancy including an acquaintance who is now on permanent disability due to injuries as a result of her pregnancy."
"You do know that abortion can result in a lot of health complications right even when preformed by a doctor."
"I'm also submitting a comment to the other side. The freakonomics study is flawed. Crime went down 20 years after lead, a know nuerotoxin, out of the environment and lead levels decreased in blood screening in children. The same drop was seen in England a few years later. They banded lead later, but legalized abortion in 1967. Correlation does not mean causation. I remain generally, reluctantly pro-choice. But we will never be able to discuss this if we use bad science (see my con comment)."
"Abortion should be legal in some cases. It should not be legal in others.SHOULD:You are 16, in school, and plan to graduate and go to college. One day you are raped. You become pregnant. You do not want to continue with the pregnancy because it will hurt your grades and education. You should be allowed to have an abortion because the pregnancy was not your fault. SHOULD NOT:You are 30 years old. You are married and in a stable career and life. You have all the kids you want (7, 2, 0, whatever) One night you have sex without using a form of birth control. You get pregnant. You do not want to continue the pregnancy because you do not want a/another child. you should not have an abortion because the pregnancy was your fault."
"What if you were poor, shunned by your family, sick, alone, and assaulted? People should have a choice but I believe an abortion should happen WAAYYYY before the baby is even close to being able to feel and think. Nobody should be born unloved."
"Abortion is a very cruel thing to do and should never be done. Unless there is something wrong with the baby and it's effecting the carrier in bad ways. Termination of a baby that hasn't even been born yet is torture and disgusting. If you don't want the baby, or you can't afford it, give it up to foster care or put it up for adoption. Don't kill it."
"You have the right to do what you want with your body."
"People say that abortion spares the life of a child, well have you ever thought about that child's well-being after they are born? The struggles they might go through having to be raised by a parent that isn't ready for a child, or having to go through foster care. Before 5 weeks, a fetus isn't even aware that it exists. If the fetus is aborted prior to that point in time, it can't hurt the fetus because it doesn't even know it's alive."
"you have cnotrol of your body and whats inside it, if the baby cant feel and hasnt developed yet then who cares"
"20 weeks after contraception, the baby can feel. that is a set fact"
"I'm actually very curious about the point for "Abortion as an effective method of population control". In a world where our resource pool is slowly deteriorating, and our population is slowly rising, this is a valid concern. But on topic. Does anyone have any sources for studies regarding trends of population density in areas that frequently practice abortion as opposed to those that don't?"
"There are two kinds of sex: consensual and nonconsensual.Consensual sex in any way should have informed participants that are prepared to face any consequences inherent with intercourse. There are several methods of prevention, many of them possible in the actual process of sex without any surgical or medical intervention, so in my eyes there's no real excuse for wanting to do it but also retaining the right to abort because "we didn't want a child".Nonconcensual sex is a different beast entirely, and personally, I don't feel that any woman should have to legally subject her body and mind to 8+ months of drastic change based on someone else's opinion regarding the value of human life, when this condition wasn't even something she agreed to.Insisting that a raped woman has to keep the child for the child's sake is keeping her helpless in a situation that she was helpless in to begin with. They're both beings, and thus they both have rights, but the mother is the one immediately dealing with the consequences of their situation, and so I still firmly believe it's her choice on whether or not to abort."
"I am pro-choice, because I believe that a woman can do whatever she wants with her body, which is personal, and the government should not restrict a safe way of getting an abortion, because if a woman really wants one, she will resort to unsafe illegal abortion."
"The child is a person too! People talk about a woman's right to control her body but ignore the CHILD'S right to control THEIR body, or even live. Why is one person's right to control their body more important than another person's right to live?"
"It is inmoral to bring a child into the world who will suffer pain, hunger and abuse. It is unjust for a society to force a woman to have a child who will be unwanted and unloved. It is unjust for a society to condemn abortion if it is not willing to take full responsibility for the child who is being brought into the world against a woman's will."
"It is immoral to murder the baby! (And Babies in the womb can feel pain. They develop their full nerve system by the time they are 12 weeks old. At 8 weeks old, the baby is FULLY developed. He has a heartbeat, organs, limbs, and his own singular fingerprints!He can frown, grimace, pee, and even suck his thumb. It is a FACT that he is NOT just a bunch of cells, but a living, breathing, moving HUMAN BEING!And termination (abortion) of this baby, is in actual fact, MURDER!Is it unjust for society to condemn a murderer? And, is it just to "terminate" (murder) a child who has no choice in the matter?!?!?!"
"At the end it only women can make the decisions and it's no one's business, even if abortion would become illegal woman around the world would still go through this process so might as well make it safe. So ultimately if it's her body it's her choice!"
"I believe women should have the choice of whether or not they want to have a child. If it is an accident, or even rape, then she should have the choice of whether or not they want the kid."
"A man shouldn't have a say unless he is willing to assume the responsibilities of the child and the mother. Religion is a great thing that provides with moral guidance, but it can also be used as an excuse to hide behind. Religious men, please don't scream and shout about life. You are not the ones who will be carrying something within your body for nine months and suffering through all the discomfort, plus the extreme pain at the end. And that's only the beginning. Abortion is not an easy choice to make - for anyone. It weighs on the conscious. You think the mother is not aware of the life she ends? It's her own flesh and blood, she will know more than any of us here. A woman needs to consider if she is financially, physically and emotionally/mentally ready for a child. She also needs to consider the needs and conditions of the child. Imagine being a mother and not loving your child. Imagine being a child and knowing you are viewed as a punishment or worse yet, as a painful reminder of rape. This is not always a selfish act. Perhaps the child will thrive, but what about all the sufferings mother and child need to go through? Abortions also cause physical harms, and adoptions can be even more painful. There is just no easy way."
"I don't think you understood my points, jcauldren. The idea that I am expressing is that it is no more ethical to put a child into a life of suffering than to terminate his/her life, in order to avoid said situation. The reason why I am pro is not just for the mother, but mostly for the child. I love children, and I see no reason why we would want to put them into a life of poverty, of abuse, of hatred and of despair. For if the mother cannot care for the child, or simply doesn't care at all, what monster are we for allowing these heartbreaking stories to happen? Can you imagine how the child could be damaged?In fact, if the unborn children can be aborted safely and legally, why would we need to think about killing born children? I do believe then that you have raised a moot point."
"Artemis, you appear to understand and believe that the unborn is a living human being; do I have that right?Your argument that there should be an option to terminate the child because of anticipated hardship is flawed. If you believe it is not flawed, then why not extend this option to parents of born children? I highly doubt that you would condone this, but you do condone this for an unborn child.So, If the unborn child is alive and is a human being the same as you and I (you do agree they are living humans; nothing less - correct?), why do you feel its acceptable to terminate it, but it's not okay to terminate a born child?Can you explain this difference? or explain if you do feel it's okay to terminate born children as well?"
"Be willing to pay taxes to allow people to get better access to contraceptives and better ones at that. Don't believe that its your job to make sure people who want to have sex have better access to contraceptives? Then dont be surprised that women decide to look out for themselves instead of what you strangers believe they should do with their bodies. Im going to get to privacy in a second."
"I see some misconceptions on the con sides, so I wanted to post some facts:1) You can view abortion statistics by going to the CDC's website and looking them up. It shows that abortion is a relatively safe procedure. It is significantly safer than pregnancy and labor. You can also come to this conclusion by realizing that a dilation and curettage (D&C) is common to treat fibroids, polyps, and excessive bleeding. 2) The American Psychological Association, which lists their statement and references, states that abortion is not associated with increases in mental health issues. For anecdotal evidence, you can read stories at the 1 in 3 campaign. In contrast, adoption is associated with mental heath issues (which psychologists keep debating, so more research to come).Stating that "the start of life" dictates abortion rights is a convenient over-simplification, that is just not true. A woman is clearly alive and has rights to liberty and control of her body. Pregnancy carries risk and this risk is not known at the time of conception. Some women suffer eclampsia and die quickly, others just get gestational diabetes. Asking a woman to play Russian roulette with her life is a huge request, and not one we make of others."
"jcauldren: I've read a few of your replies to other people, and you seem to intentionally misinterpret people. You also seem to really dislike women making decisions. But just in case you aren't really a troll, I decided to respond.As my last paragraph explains, your insistence that "the start of life" dictates whether abortion should be permitted is a gross over-simplification. My need of another's body to survive does not suddenly require that individual to give me their body. This is true for adults, children, and fetus's. Pregnancy is dangerous. About 800 women die a day due to pregnancy complications. This is just the number who die; many more suffer serious injuries.I consider myself pro-life. I am pro all life. Pro women's lives, pro women's health, pro children's lives, pro men's lives. But I do not think anyone's right to life allows them to use another person's body to maintain their life. If I need a blood transfusion, I cannot demand this from you. If a fetus needs a uterus, it cannot demand this of any woman."
"jcauldren: Are you aware that there have been court cases where a family has gone to court trying to force an organ donation for a family member? Guess who lost? No one owes anyone parts of their body no matter what they do or how closely they are related. But for some reason although the courts made the correct decision in the past, suddenly this is a question for women."
""intentionally misinterpret" - I'm sorry you feel that way. Can you give me an example. I admit when I dont understand and I usually ask the poster to clarify."dislike women making decisions" "a troll" - personal attacks are really out of place in a debate. Let's remain civil and discuss. I wont fight with you, so please keep it civil so we can get to the bottom of this very important topic.When you describe the stage of life called "conception" and pregnancy as well as a generic "need for another's body", I am tempted to agree.With such a over-simplified description, sure I can agree. However, I do not consider pregnancy the same thing as having the same blood type. Its flawed to do so. Pregnancy involves a man and woman committing an act to CREATE a new person. The responsibility of the creators to the created seems plain to me. How do you address this responsibility that I say they have to the created?In your example of blood transfusion, you have the potential donor with absolutely no attachment or responsibility to the inflicted person. Of course it would be wrong to randomly force people to donate their bodies. Pregnancy is not random though, right?"
""abortion is safe"I think you are missing the point if you believe that the foundation of a pro-life stance is that it's not safe for the mother.The foundation of pro-lifer's stance is that it's not safe for the baby 100% of the time.I assume you are pro-choice, but is there any point at which you would vote to eliminate a woman's choice and prohibit abortion? When is that point? 1 min before birth? 1 month? when?Can you also explain why?My point in asking is that if we all agreed on when the world has a new human being in existence (at conception or at birth or some place inbetween) then this abortion debate would be pretty straightforward and short (or so I would think).I feel the root issue is when we all feel that the unborn child actually is a human being. When do you feel this is? Would you vote to restrict a womans right to choose abortion at that point?Honestly curious."
"I am 100% prochoice meaning that I support a woman's right to choose abortion, adoption, parenting, or if she is not pregnant, contraception. It is her pregnancy, her right, and her choice. Life does not begin until birth, so people need to chill out. I only support one restriction on abortion: it should be safe for the woman. To the antichoice crowd: answer two questions for me. If conception is so important, why did Jesus say to be born again, and why does Genesis 2:7 show Adam's life beginning after he was formed, not before? It is the Bible itself that made me prochoice, along with some logic. Here is a longer list of questions for prolifers compiled by me: http://www.writerscafe.org/writing/Ayyuba/1254396/ ."
"I love the question "How is forced pregnancy different than rape? In both cases, the woman's reproductive organs are being used against their will."Even better is the comparison between forced gestation and organ donation. If all life is so valuable, we should have mandatory blood and marrow donation. There should be kidney and liver donor drafts. And organ donation upon death should be mandatory. I looked it up and thousands and thousands of people die in this country every year waiting for organs, yet the "pro-lifers" are not fighting for them. Is seems hypocritical, and the more I think about it the more it feels like the "pro-lifers" really just want to control a group of people they think are vulnerable rather than protect any life."
"@Miri B.: I completely agree. They should also fight for better healthcare including mental healthcare. Too many people like me are dying because of bad healthcare, and what about our troops?"
"@Carroll Speights. I hope you get my reply. I could not find a reply button for you or Miri. Anywhoo, you need to come up with facts, and not baseless assertions. Did Adam's life begin before or after God breathed life into his nose, and did Jesus say to be born again or conceived again? I await you response, Sparky."
"What facts would you like me to come up with Ms. Ayyuba? I asked you how you supported your assertion that life doesn't begin until birth. I am still waiting on you to respond to that and also let me know if you support the killing of a child moments before birth. Your assertions are the ones wanting for facts so please provide them.If you take the context of the bible in it's correct form, then it can be assumed that life began when God breathed the breath of life into Adam. There are multiple verses that allude to life beginning before birth, and also verses that refer to people as having identity before birth. If you have faith that there is a God and that the holy bible is his inspired word for our teaching and directing, then please study it more thoroughly and stop cherry picking out of context or inserting your own "wisdom" into it. If otherwise stop referencing scripture that holds no meaning for you and that you would normally discount as the scribblings of bronze age goat herders. Also please understand that I am not against a woman's rights, but I am utterly against destroying the rights of an unborn child. If you disagree with this then please explain in detail."
"You assertion that life begins at birth, how do you support that? And do you then approve of killing children moments before they are born? We will "chill out" when you convince us that abortion is not the intentional murder of an unborn child. Until then we will not sit by like silent sheep while lies are purported as truth and millions of children are torn apart every year. Why do you think that Jesus told us to be born again? I will love to hear the reasoning you have for this. Adam's life began when God "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life", so when do you think that we receive this breath of life?"
"when can come together, both pro and con on this issue, and nourish, love, and raise the children that have been *actually* been born in this world? 21,000 children die every day around the world and nobody is raising concern here for these suffering children? they could be saved...but left to die. let us love and care for humans that are living among us now instead of judging and pointing fingers. http://www.globalissues.org/article/715/today-21000-children-died-around-the-worldhttp://www.unicef.org/media/media_68359.html"
"Totally agree! Great point"
"Yes. The Supreme Court validated a woman's right to choose. It's as simple as that."
"Laws can be changed, Alan. So if the pro-life folks have their way and the law is changed, you'd be cool with that?Just checking where your stance comes from. If based on 'current' law, then your stance will change one day.Is there anything more concrete that you base your position on?"
"The Supreme Court also justified the spread of slavery and that African Americans were not citizens with the case Dred Scott v. Sanford. Laws can always change when people expand their minds."
"It's your right to choose to have an abortion, there are more positives to abortion the negatives."
"Hitler could probably list a bunch of positives for all the killing he did. So could Mao Tse Tung.Having a list of "good reasons to kill those other people" is really not very much after all.Sorry, Barney, I don't want to see a list from Amy. I'd rather she explain how abortion is not the killing of an innocent human being."
"Please list the positives. I am intrigued to learn more."
"It is no one's right to tell anyone else what they can do with their bodies. Not your job. Pregnancy isn't punishment. My body, not yours."
"Approximately 219 women die worldwide each day from an unsafe abortion. I think we should focus on this fact more than why women get abortions(that is there own private business). There are women dying out there because they don't want to let there unborn child suffer because they are incapable of taking care of it. Isn't that saying something about them, that they really need this. Also, in one of the cons it stated that "The majority of reasons why women get abortions are selfish", isn't it selfless to care more about if your unborn child is going to suffer than if you are going to live. Those people who agree with out-lawing abortion, you are putting the lives of unborn children ahead or the lives of living breathing American women because whether or not you out-law it it is going to happen anyway because it is a necessity."
"I have switched sides. What if the mother is at risk for death, traumatic injury, traumatic illness, the baby will die anyway, the baby has something like Tay-Sachs, the mother will be killed in an honor killing, stuff like that. As long as the abortion is done in a human manner, I support the mother's right to choose. I still however, believe that life begins when fertilization is complete 24 hours after ovulation."
"I have two points to make, only two, so listen carefully. First. Developing life is not "sacred". Humans don't become individuals at birth, every human begins his life as an empty shell, only later to be filled with intelligence and personality. Only after they gain intelligence can we consider them human and grant them constitutional rights. This happens with-in first year, long after birth event had occurred.Second point. Every intelligent being(human or not) that has an ability to reproduce itself, is in charge of it's reproductive systems. Controlling what he/her/it should or should not do with it's systems is a violation of basic rights of individuals. If individual's reproductive system has begun building an undesirable copy, it should be it's and only prerogative to decide whenever to terminate or continue the construction sequence. Morality is not relevant. "Parents" own their "children", until they become individuals themselves. Once a shell becomes individual, parent looses his ownership right.Conclusion: Law only protects individuals, NOT human shells.Individuals have a moral high ground to control their reproductive systems.Problem solved. Debate dismissed. You're welcome."
"We do such a poor job providing sex education and limit access to contraception that unplanned and un wanted pregnancies are bound to happen. Unfortunately we need to provide a safe and legal alternative. It always surprises me that so many pro-life people are also against providing comprehensive sex education."
"A woman has the right to choice what she does with her body. I find it ridiculous how this topic is still up for debate in our society. And why as women are we bashing each other for decisions we are making for ourselves? You have not walked in our shoes, and we have not walked in yours. Believe in what you want, just stop shoving your agenda down our throats about us "murdering", it's not murder. If you want your baby, keep it. If you are in a situation in which you are entirely unable to raise a child, by all means, do what you need to do. We as women should be uniting and helping each other; you don't have to agree with our decisions, just be a kindhearted human being and help your fellow woman against the government that debate about OUR bodies. Why are human bodies being discussed in a political arena anyway?"
"i was looking through the pros and cons and i saw in the cons something about there shouldn't be discrimination towrd babies that will have deformitiesi really have one commment on that and its did you know that in the past there are people who have filed wrongful life court cases against their parents becasue their deformities are so badthere are parents who chose to have a child despite the fact that they knew they would have awful deformities and those children when they turned into adults sued their parents becuase the had to live with awful deformities i'm not really sure why i commented this but its whatever"
"HOW CAN THE REPUBLICANS SAY NO ABORTION WHEN THEY ARENT WILLING TO PAY FOR OUR HEALTH CARE, HOUSING, FOOD, WELL FARE...."
"Who ever is getting the abortion could have a good reason for it which is not your business at all. What someone else does does not affect you at all so stay out of other peoples business."
"I think abortion should be allowed ONLY in certain situations, like, for example, if the mother was raped."
"Before beginning, abortion is not the murder of a child/baby/human being/living being. By definition, humans are not living until birth. The fetus is reliant on the mothers body. While it may develop it's own limbs and organs later, it is still sharing nutrients and oxygen through the mothers blood until birth. Abortion is a choice, and if you don't like/support them, then don't have an abortion. It is unjust to take away the right of another living, breathing human because of personal beliefs. The argument that only 1% of women get abortions because of rape is unreliable to an extent, considering not all rapes are reported or are reported past the statute of limitations. A woman being to young to give birth can lead to early delivery and serious birth defects. Financial stability can change the outcome of a child's life. A woman should not have to give up her life for a life that hasn't yet started. There is no sense in stipulating the future of a fetus when the future of a living human has a more predictable outcome."
"I am Pro choice because what if you are raped or molested. Its not your fault. If your not capable to raise that child you can either abort them or you can have the child and give them up for adoption. Nobody should be forced to keep the child if their not ready for it."
"the government should NOT control the woman's body. would you want someone else telling you what you can and can't do with your body? i wouldn't. there needs to be a choice for her. I'm not saying she has to have an abortion... adoption is perfectly fine, but the woman shouldn't be forced to go through the 9 months carrying the baby and then childbirth. what if she is poor, young, single, in school, sick, not ready or able to care for the child? or what if the baby is sick? I've noticed that the con people think about the baby more then the women. um she's the one in control. she's the one carrying the baby. she's the one actually alive and living. us pro people aren't against babies, we're for women rights. who isn't? obviously people who think its okay to force women to do something they don't want to do. AND IF ABORTION IS ILLEGAL, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN UNPROFESSIONALLY AND UNSAFELY. THAT IS NOT OKAY. ABORTION NEEDS TO STAY LEGAL. like duh."
"Women have the right to decide whether they want to carry something in their body. The majority of abortions are had by women who were using contraception regularly when they got pregnant. Abortion is so expensive it will obviously never be used as contraception. The sources, authorities and organizations that claim fetuses cannot feel pain and that abortion does not lead to breast cancer are more legitimate and likely to be correct than those on the other side. Abortion is safer than childbirth. We have FAR more people up for adoption than will ever be adopted. An aborted child could become a doctor or a serial killer. Forcing them t o be born and raised in poverty SEVERELY decreases the likelihood them or their siblings or parents will ever become productive scientists or be able to even afford an education, etc. Population growth is a real problem, not some conspiracy. When having sex, consent can end and it can become rape. Consent can be revoked. Getting in a car to go to work admits that a car accident is possible, but does not mean that you consent to being in an accident. Eating cookie dough is not consent to salmonella. Sex is not consent to pregnancy, even when it is a possibility. Abortion needs to be an option."
"Life begins at birth. it is my body, my right, and my choice. i don't have to defend myself, you don't have to like it, but I'll be damned if you will take my rights away. I know what is best for me, and there is nothing wrong with that. #pissedoffliberalpatriot"
"What right does anyone to tell another how to use their body? Lots of people I've debated say, "It's killing a baby." So? What's it to you? Generally, most people won't know a person who's had an abortion, or they do, and they just keep it a secret. What stake does anyone have on whether or not some fetus lives or not? The life isn't even that special. For one, it hasn't been born yet. It doesn't have any experiences. It's alive, but only at the most basic level. Killing a born baby would be wrong, since they are alive, and have the capacity for emotions. But a fetus? A fetus can't tell it's alive, it's still developing! I've also been told that all life is sacred. I'm sorry to say not in this world. We have about 7 billion people on earth, why is this unborn babies life worth to you? What stake do you have? If it's legalized, and you're Pro-Life, then you don't have to have one. Keep your baby. Don't push it on others. To make one last point, how enjoyable would the life of a baby whose mother didn't want him be? Do you think the mother would raise it well? Give it everything it needs? Maybe there are some that would, but countless babies would be neglected, and our foster system is not on the lookout for more babies."
"On a airplane flight between Kansas city and Miami, Julie Killen went into labor and gave birth to a child. When she arrived at the airport, she dumped the baby into a garbage can.Two days later the dead child was found. Julie was charged with murder and pleaded guilty.If she had had an abortion one week before she gave birth, she wouldn't be in trouble with the law. The abortion would have been legal.A man named Dr. Nathanson took a video of a woman having an abortion (The silent scream), which shows the preborn baby in the womb, thrashing about, trying to avoid the suction device which is tearing off its head. Viewers saw the child opening its mouth, trying to scream. They saw the baby dismembered, its head crushed, as it was sucked out of the womb. Babies in the womb can feel pain. They develop their full nerve system by the time they are 12 weeks old. At 8 weeks old, the baby is FULLY developed. He has a heartbeat, organs, limbs, and his own singular fingerprints!He can frown, grimace, pee, and even suck his thumb. It is a FACT that he is NOT just a bunch of cells, but a living, breathing, moving HUMAN BEING!And termination (abortion) of this baby, is in actual fact, MURDER!"
"I believe in abortion not for personal reasons because i would never do that but because i don't think it would be right to take away a woman's right if she wanted to have a baby or not"
"Abortion should be legal because all women have a right to do what they want with their body. Most people think its a sin to get an abortion, but its not. But not everybody can care for a child, there is the option of adoption, but who would want to do that? The child will grow up and wonder "why did my parent(s) put me up for adoption? Did they not love me?" Abortion should be a legal option, for all women."
"We'll all you negative people aren't even considering std if either the mother or the father has an std the baby is most likely to die within the first year anyway. Abortion is a way to go out without forcing your baby to suffer."
""Most likely" is better than "definitely." when you have an abortion, the baby has zero chance of living. If you have an STD the baby still has a pretty good chance of living."
"In cases where the mother is in danger i.e. pregnancy in the fallopian tubes or otherwise harmful pregnancy scenarios, abortion may be necessary to ensure the safety of the mother."
"iam pro because I WENT THROUGH AN ABORTION and it saved my life and i feel the life of the child. very bad place and time for a baby to come into this world."
"How did having an abortion save the life of the child if you killed it before it even had a chance?"
"I am pro because in some sitiuations a women should be aloud to abort.People would rather abort then see their child suffer.Many women are single-mother and they dont have the economy."
"We should never allow the Government to infringe on the personal choices of Americans in their private lives. This is a "religious debate" about when human life begins. Why should a minority religious belief be forced on all Americans. No one wants to kill human babies for any reason but a religious minority want to force their religious based beliefs on everyone else. What will come next? If we allow this to become such a burden on our freedom to choose our own religious beliefs then it might not be long before we start passing laws that impose any one religions beliefs on the majority of Americans. That is not religious freedom or separation of Church and State as guarenteed by our Constitution."
"abortion should be legal because it up to the woman to make that choice"
"The fetus belongs to the mother, not the government. They should stay out of it."
"so just because a child belongs to someone they have the right to take their life? what you are saying is that any law involving killing someone shouldn't be in affect because no one belongs to the government"
"Sometimes, abortion is bad, sometimes its good. But even if you make it illegal, people are still gonna do it. Instead of being safe, though, they will be highly unsafe. Approximately 68000 maternal deaths are caused by these "back-alley" abortions. Thats a lot of deaths that could be reduced if more places made safe abortion possible."
"I definitely believe that women should have the right to abortion. What if someone gets raped and then is forced to keep the baby? This could could cause serious mental health inflictions on the mother. Every day they would wake up and remember that this baby is from the man who raped her I believe that abortion should be available to all women because in some cases it is not the woman's fault nor choice to conceive."
"Reposting something from Tumblr user persephoneholly in retaliation to the pro-life message of "It's easy to be pro-choice when you're not the one being killed.":"It's easy to be be pro-life when you're not a struggling single mother of four others with cut food stamps.It's easy to be be pro-life when you're not a pregnant teenager.It's easy to be be pro-life when you're not a mentally ill patient.It's easy to be be pro-life when you're not wondering when your next meal will be.It's easy to be be pro-life when you're not the child of an abusive family.It's easy to be be pro-life when you're not in danger of dying from complications.It's easy to be be pro-life when you don't have a baby that will die a painful death anyway from a birth defect.It's easy to be be pro-life when you weren't raped.It's easy to be be pro-life when you planned your pregnancy and didn't need to worry about incredibly costly and sparce contraceptives.It's easy to be be pro-life when //you are not pregnant, or even female.//"
"I don't exactly know where I stand, but I do agree with some of the points that you said. I don't agree with killing but sometimes situations are out of our control. When everyone is judging a female for being pregnant and she is trying to make a decision on whether to keep the baby or not, often times the people don't take the woman into context and the reason why she may not be able to keep the baby. In this comment that I am writing, I can not completely express my feelings but I must say that being empathetic and taking everything into context or trying to relate can be important. Thank you for writing this because it main me stop and think and eventually put my life into perspective."
"WOMEN HAVE RIGHTS AND FREEDOM. YOU DONT LIKE ABORTIONS DONT GET ONE. SO MANY WOMEN HAVE FOUGHT TO GET WHERE WE ARE TODAY. CONS NEED TO GET REAL AND REALIZE THAT WOMEN HAVE THE SAY NOT THE FETUS!!! STOP TRYING TO GET THE GOV. MORE INVOLVED THEN THEY ALREADY ARE, THEY STICK THEIR NOSE INTO EVERYONES BUSINESS. HAVING LEGAL ABORTIONS ARE WAY BETTER. SAFER TOO :)"
"THE BABY IS A HUMAN BEING!!! THAT BABY IS GOING TO BE MURDERED BECAUSE THE MOTHER "ISN'T READY" OR WAS RAPED OR ANY OTHER EXCUSE!!! BEING RAPED DOES'NT JUSTIFY THE KILLING OF AN INNOCENT CHILD!!! REALLY I'M ONLY IN NINTH GRADE I'M FIFTEEN AND KNOW MORE ABOUT ABORTION THAN YOU EVER WILL IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE!!! YOU ARE OBLIVIOUS TO EVERYTHING REGARDING THIS HOLOCAUST OF BABIES!!! NO ABORTION IN THIS WORLD WILL EVER BE "SAFE" ABORTION IS ACTUALLY MORE DANGEROUS THAN CHILDBIRTH!!! ABORTIONS CAUSE THE MOTHER'S PAIN EMOTIONALLY AND PHYSICALLY SO HOW EXACTLY IS THAT GIVING THE MOTHER FREEDOM!!! THE GOV. GETTING INVOLVED WILL HELP DEATH RATES AND SUICIDE RATES GO DOWN!!!"
"i dont care what it is lol. It doesnt have a right cuz the mother has the say. The fetus does not speak. It knows nothing. Who cares if the fetus doesnt survive.. The woman made a decision to whether continue with the pregnancy. But clearly if she has an abortion the baby is unwanted and the mother does not need to get stuck with something that she can get rid of. Atleast shes trying to save herself from being miserable for the rest of her life. Adoption is not the answer. That didnt have to do with your comment but a lot of people say that and its crazy lol 0.o"
"No abortion is safe as they always result in the death of one person, sometimes both.Do you disagree that the unborn child is a living human being?"
"Last I checked none of you "CON" people are GOD! You have no right to judge. A womans body is her own..HER own! What she chooses to do with it is HER decision...not yours and certainly not the Governments. You don't know peoples situations, you don't know what's going on in peoples lives. It's so easy to sit back and look down on people whose shoes you have and never will walk in. It's a womans right to choose what is right for her...PERIOD!!"
"What about the child's body? Why doesn't the child have the right to choose what's right for him?"
"Just curious as I read your post about this concept of "her body". Obviously, a pro-life person believes that the unborn child is a living human being with their OWN body, but we disagree there.For now, I'm just curious if you can define more concretely why the baby should be considered "her body". Is it only because it is inside of her? Because it is connected with a cord?What if someone were to swallow a possession of someone else.. say a ring. You would not consider the ring to now be a possession of the one who swallowed it would you?Just curious to knwo more about why you feel that the baby is a part of the mothers's body and not it's own body."
"Just because I am pro-choice, doesn't mean I am pro-abortion. I would never get an abortion myself, but that doesn't mean I don't think women should have the right to choose. I don't walk around saying, "I hate children" or "I want babies to die!" so the argument from pro-life advocates saying "Don't kill babies!" is just plain idiotic. No woman with any feelings or emotions would ever want to kill a child. Getting an abortion is not an EASY decision for anyone."
"Kourtney, it is unclear from your post so I would ask you to clarify. then I'm sure some will respond.Do you believe that an unborn child is truly a fellow human being?I sincerely want to understand where your thoughts are. Do you believe the unborn are living human beings that simply do not have the right to life that born humans do?Or do you believe that the unborn are not human beings and only become human at some stage in their unborn life, or maybe not until birth?"
"People deserve the option, even if they don't use it"
"Abortions should be legal. I mean who are we to tell someone they have to have a baby, maybe they can't provide for the baby, yes there's adopting but that just makes moms sad. Let women choose what's right. After all she is the one carrying the baby. Not you"
"Layna, a pro-life stance is that the baby is already "had" after conception. The moment to choose to have a baby or not is at conception, not during the pregnancy. No one should force another to "have" a baby, I'd agree.Whether or not the baby is born has no impact on whether or not the baby is alive or whether it is a fellow human being. Again, for a pro-lifer, this is already settled at conception.Your statement that "who are we to tell someone they have to have a baby" is perfectly acceptable to a pro-life person. Because we believe that the newly conceived baby is a human being with rights of their own at the point of conception, in our eyes, the baby is already in existence. The only way to "make someone have a baby" is to force them to get pregnant. I dont think anyone is for that, do you?Making someone give birth to a baby is not the same as making someone "have" a baby."
"I think that it is a women's choice whether or not she can have an abortion. No one should have to take that away. America is supposed to be the land of the free, meaning that we should be able to chose. It's a Women's choice. If she knows that she can't support it then its best to just abort rather then having a baby in an unstable environment. Within the first tree-mester the baby isn't fully developed if anything its just a centimeter big so is it really a human being? In the end it is a women's choice and no one should have to take that away."
"I grew up in an "unstable" environment. Now, Im married with 2 health and happy children.Justifying abortion out of convenience is a really barbaric and shallow means of justification.Would you agree that at some point abortion should be banned? 3rd trimester? Sometime during the 2nd? At what point would you agree to "take the choice away from the woman?"...as you put it."
"Abortions is just another way for the government to reduce human living. Its simple if you think about it we as people just make it harder, I'm pro because I believe that the others want it to go on because they do not want to deal with a child .Con just want the easy way out you can lay up to have sex but cant take care you a child?? where in the bible does it says that I'ts ok to kill a child and Con will easliy say that its not a living child 'YET"when did nonliving things have a heart beat? I do not believe in abortions but Im still with adoption!"
""Con" people, do me a favor and have empathy for women."
"""Con" people, do me a favor and have empathy for the unborn." Dispite how much some of you women play up pregnancy to be the most horrible thing ever. It is not. Every pregnancy could of been 100% avoided. If it happens the baby should get the chance at life. It is 100% a womans fault she got pregnant (except for rape) and this may seem harsh. But she should be forced to carry it to full term and put it up for adoption. Being inconvenienced for 9 months is NOT a reason to kill the child. +as I said, the pregnancy could of been 100% avoided."
"what about empathy for the baby she is killing? did you ever realize that the mom isn't the only affected in this matter."
""Anonymous" pro people, please do us all a favor and have empathy for the defenseless child.We can do this all day, "anonymous".Why not share something more meaty in the discussion and explain when you feel it would be wrong to terminate a pregnancy and why."
"if abortion isn't legal despite young ladies will choose "Back-Alley" abortions. of they are that set on it they will get it done, its more humane in a clinic rather then someone's basement."
"I just read Carroll's response, which sounds like she is saying that abortion is dangerous? Abortion is much safer than pregnancy, first of all. You can read the CDC reports for verification, but for example the CDC lists 0.64 deaths per 1000,000 abortions, while 1 in 4800 women die due to pregnancy complications. The risk of complication is lower with an abortion too, as you can read in the report.Secondly, an abortion in the first trimester is just a dilation and curettage (D&C). This is a common procedure to treat fibroids, excessive bleeding, polyps, and incomplete miscarriages. If a D&C were really incredibly dangerous, women with perforated uteri would be everywhere. I know many menopausal women who had them for fibroids, not one perforated uterus.Finally, 1 in 3 women in the US have an abortion in their lifetime. If abortion were really incredibly dangerous, so many women would be seriously inured. Even the anti-women's health groups tout that "X million" abortions have been carried out. That would be a lot of women with unreported complications if the "dangerous" claim were true."
"@Carroll, You say you care about woman. So why not try to prevent abortion by actually helping women and their partners access birth control? And then help women who's birth control fails by helping the woman access resources to care for the baby?Mikayla had a wonderful point. Banning abortion does NOT decrease abortion rates. You can look at rates in nations with abortion bans and the analysis of what happened in Romania in 1966. Banning abortions is not a way to "change culture." You need to replace the need for abortion with something else. Simply saying "don't do that" hasn't worked for abstinence only education, and it won't work to convince a woman to value her life less.The countries with the lowest abortion rates actually don't ban abortion. But they do offer great contraception coverage and have a culture of respect for partners, and for contraception use."
""You can take the abortion out of the back alley, but you can never take the back alley out of abortion". There are two types of abortionists; the ones who have perforated a uterus, and the ones who lie about it. Despite what many people think, all abortion procedures carry a significant risk of injury even with the best standards implemented. And the "best" standards are reserved for the women who can pay for them. Poor women are subject to poor sterilization, and substandard care from the abortionist. Even if you could implement mandatory health and safety standards, it is still dangerous. Legislation to implement standards are being shot down by abortion advocates because it would "prevent low income women from affording abortions". We are not trying to force women to partake in dangerous medical procedures by denying them the "right" to an abortion. We are trying to show everyone that abortion should not be allowed because it is the intentional destruction of a human life, and the intent of murder should never be allowed or made "safe". We do not take this position lightly, and we are not blind to the pain that women experience. We are trying to change culture's attitude so that women can be helped and comforted."
"My view is that abortion is a choice that a mother should be able to make. The guilt will rest on her consience. Who are you to tell her how to live her life? As for the arguement that killing a living thing, no matter how small, is wrong, than perhaps masturbation should be illegal. A fetus is the development from a an egg that was fertilized by a sperm cell, so with that being said, wouldn't masturbation be killing a possible life? After all, for all we know that little cell could grow up to become a person of high importance. While on the matter of killing living things period, perhaps scratching should be illegal... After all, those are innocent living cells that die when we scratch ourselves. What do all of these have in common? None are fully functional beings. Therefore, where do we draw the line from right and wrong?"
"No, not in turn. If someone chooses to live a life of celibacy, by your logic, this would be a case of murder billions of times over for not using their reproductive cells. Reproductive cells do not live forever even if you don't waste them in your hand. They only live so long even when "unused".Until there is conception, there is no "life form". There is no human being. The fact that a sperm and an egg are required for conception does not make them human beings. Together they become a new human being, alone they are only 1 of many other cells in the human body.If you do nothing with a sperm cell and leave it as it is, you get a dead sperm cell. If you leave a fertilized egg alone to do what it does, you wind up with a baby... see?You are arguing that a sperm cell is a human being. Do you really mean to?"
"No masturbation is not killing. Sperm are no more a life form than your skin cells. Reproductive cells do not grow up and make mate and make baby reproductive cells. They are simply a living cell like a hair on your head.A conceived child is a new life form. There is nothing else that it can be. Science, philosophy, religion and common sense all agree. A fertilized egg is a new life form that grows and will one day mate with another life form to make baby life forms. That is what is meant by "life" in the abortion debate... not living cells."
"Okay science time.Sperm Cell = Haploid cell that is incapable of independently turning into a human.Non-fertilized Ovum=Haploid cell incapable of active movement and also incapable of naturally turning into a human by itself. Zygote=The parent cell by which the chain of cellular development begins. Contains a unique chromosome code that is not the mothers. The immune system of the mother even recognizes, at times, that the zygote is not part of her. If developed normally, and left unmolested, this single cell well develop the human body (or two if the zygote becomes twins).Morals time.Murder= Intentionally ending a humans lifeAbortion=Intentionally ending a humans(or sometimes humans') life('s).What reason do you give for justifying murder? The child will be poor? Let us round up all of those pesky poor people and shoot them. The child won't be loved? Lets chop the heads off of everyone that we think is not adequately loved. To many people on earth? Load em up by the truckload and dump them into a giant blender. At least then we can use them for fertilizer. Killing for the sake of comfort or convenience is NEVER acceptable."
"In turn, however, couldn't you say that that sperm cell is a vital part of that fertilized egg. This being because it fertilizes the egg. Therefore, wouldn't killing sperm cells be killing a living thing that could be destined to grow into a human?"
"If men could get pregnant, abortion clinics would be like Starbucks - two on every block and four in every airport. And the morning-after pill would come in different flavors, like sea salt and cool ranch."
"Luckily for men they can just force the abortion industry on women so that they don't have to bear the responsibilities of caring for the mother and child. I can't imagine the lengths that men would pursue to escape responsibility if they actually bore children."
"I love this comment lol."
"I do not think that people understand that over population is something that is the cause of many problems across the world. World hunger, pollution, extinction of multiple animal species, etc. Maybe less children is a good thing and that rape shouldn't be the only excuse to get an abortion? And if you do not like abortion.... then don't get one!!!! That simple"
"Absolutely, if one doesn't support abortion then they simply dont have to do it. This, however, does not mean that these pro-life people can take away the choice of others. At the end of the day, pro-life will always stand for anti-choice, which denies the entire structure that America was built upon. Leave religion out of the decision and you'll find abortion to be morally correct."
"A majority of the comments are against abortion, and I think it's awesome. I like the idea of counting a fetus as a child that could soon grow up to be a great philosopher or cure cancer, regardless of their possibly difficult upbringing. But not all women see it the same way. One of the great things about the US is having the freedom to make our own decisions. One comment mentioned women who choose abortion do it for primarily selfish reasons, but is it not just as selfish to rob her of the rights to her body because of your own beliefs?"
"It should be legal(pro) because its the female(s) choice. The right to privacy does that not mean anything?"
"Do I have a right to kill someone as long as I do it in private?"
"Even if a baby is alive and can feel pain it doesn't mean that abortion is wrong. If a woman feels that they are not ready for a baby or feel that they will not be able to take care of the baby then they have the right given to them by the Supreme Court to terminate their pregnancy. It doesn't matter when life begins because a woman has a right to this. None of us want to grow up in a home where we are not cared for or have a decent quality of life."
"quite honestly, I'd rather not be killed. I'd rather live a hard life than be killed. I hope that answers your question.If you thought on it honestly, I'm sure you'd come to the same conclusion. We live in a wonderful world, a lot can happen."
"There would be no need to kill you're baby after it was born, nor no situation where that would be even somewhat reasonable. If you do not have an abortion and you still feel that you will be unable to make sure that child has a healthy life then the right thing to do is put it up for adoption. If you have the option for abortion and you dont feel that you will be able to give that child a good life then abortion is one of many possibilities."
"Do you realize what that line of reasoning can lead to? The same argument could be used to support killing of newborns after they are born."
"Abortion should be legal in the 1st trimester or in the 2nd trimester in the case of rape, if the girl is 19 or younger, or if it would kill the girl and she chooses to abort the baby to save her life. I also think it's necessary to make birth control more readily available and to teach birth control, safe sex, and abstinence in sex ed classes. We should also do something to make women more aware of the signs of pregnancy so they can know if they're pregnant or not. Women should also be required to undergo counseling before they decide to go through with the abortion. Also abortion costs should be lowered to $300 across the board and women who want an abortion and can afford it should have to pay for it out of pocket. However, the government should pay for the abortions of those women who can't afford it, but with government funds and not taxes. That's my position."
"Abortion is wrong at all time periods and in all cases, save in the case where beyond a shadow of doubt that the natural course of delivery will kill either the mother and/or the child. I concur with you on the sex ed, but it needs to go a step beyond what it is now and needs to include more detailed information on all biological aspects of reproduction and STDs, and great emphasis should be placed on the emotional and psychological impact of teen sex. Parents should lead the way with this. So many people are either terribly ignorant of what happens in sex and reproduction or they are are woefully misinformed. I saw a little something at the end of your comment that confused me. Government funds, aren't those raised by taking taxes? So wouldn't government funds and taxes be the same thing?"
"Aiken, do you realize that the only "government funds" that exist come from taxes? Unless you're talking creating money out of thin air by typing into a keyboard, and even then if you really look at the effects of that, it's just a secret tax on the middle class and poor by means of inflation."
"no one should be punished for not wanting a baby. Contraceptives aren't 100% effective, and its better to provide safe abortions for women then to let them get botched ones. If a women doesn't want to have a baby and she gets pregnant, she will find any means necessary to get rid of it."
"I'm pro, because it's the woman's right to choose. I actually love babies so just because I'm for abortion doesn't mean I hate them."
"It should not be a womans right to choose to asassinate the mst weakest and defenseless human being. It is not the womans body choices. Women don't have four arms and four legs when they're pregnant. Those extra appendages belong to the tiny human being(s) living inside of them. An individual's body parts all share the same genetic code. If the unborn child were actually a part of the mother's body, the unborn's cells would have the same genetic code as the cells of the mother. This is not the case. Every cell of the unborn's body is genetically distinct from every cell in the mother's body.In many cases, the blood type of the unborn child is different than the blood type of the mother. Since one body cannot function with two different blood types, this is clearly not the mother's blood."
"The unborn child isn't a part of you. It is a separate person. It isn't part of your body, it is something that body is in your"
"Have you actually read a description of what happens to the baby during an abortion? If so, I have a hard time understanding how you can claim to love babies and yet support abortion?"
"I'm a pro because it's there body, only if it was for ethical reasons such as baby having serious , mental , disabilit, handicap problems. If it was harming the mothers health, if she could not look after ANOTHER child or bring up a baby in poverty."
"I support abortion because its a woman's fundamental right given to them pursuant to Roe v Wade US Supreme Courtdecision. Abortion is an option when a woman's life is in danger in cases of rape and incest or if the mother life will be at risk. Another reason I support abortion is to control the population when poverty levels are high and there are not much resources for many women to raise a child. women need legal abortion services to prevent illegal abortion practices that could be at risk to the woman."
"so if part of your support of abortion is because of the current law, would you also support a ban on abortion of the law changed? Laws change, would your opinion change with it?When do you feel that the baby inside has it's own right to life? After birth? 1 min before birth? 1 month? When? I do sincerely want to know how you see it.Possibly you go by what RvW decided? This was a legal definition of a human being or a "person". "Person" is a legal term, not a scientific, philosophic, religious or common sense definition of what it means to be a human being.Viability is where I'd guess you feel we become our own human being as this is essentially what RvW was based on. But what happens if the age of viability changes over time? Advancements in the medical field have allowed us to lower that age of viability far sooner in life than a century 1/2 a century ago. Were the children conceived in 1900 somehow magically becoming human later than one born in 2000? This obviously cannot be.RvW gave a legal definition, it is a very poor means of defining humanity.I would sincerely like to know when you feel we become a new human being and have a right to "life" that is promised in our constitution."
"Abortion should be decided on the situation. Why should someone who has been in a situation where they had been sexually abused and impregnated not be able to choose whether they have the baby or not. Why should they have to keep a reminder of their suffering.But even though I say this, I dont believe that abortion should not be used as a way of birth control, "because you accidently got pregnant and are not ready for the child." If this is the case, have the child and put it up for adoption, there are plenty of women in the world who want children but are unable to have them.So even though my opinion are both for and against for the way abortion is used, I still say that it should be legal for those that have certain situations."
"I find these pro life, or antis as I call them, extremely comical with their viewpoints, and again, they don't understand that being pro-choice means IN FAVOR OF CHOICE, but ther ignorance and stupidity is higly amusing. They love to see poverty due to overpopulation, and increasing on interpol, the FBI and jail, especially when their taxes go to pay for the lifers, or death row inmates. Yeah, isn't it great that they want that, or their taxes going up, because there are too many people, and not enough jobs, and the kids resort to crime? Yeah, antis LOVE that, don't you, antis? You just don't want to admit it. We pros have the right idea, and you people just can't handle it, or deal with it. Amazing, and unbelievable, right?So, I say onto the antis with pride: More abortions, MORE ABORTIONS. Deal with it!!! End of story"
"OMFG I LOVED HOW YOU WERE SAYING MORE ABORTIONS MORE ABORTIONS!!!!! LOL :D YOU GO GIRL!!!!!! KEEP EM COMIN!!!!!"
"I will tell you why I am pro-abortion. I was pressured by my religious nut mother to get out and date but told I would be disowned if I ever got pregnant. I got pregnant, ran away from home to have the baby and threw her up for adoption when she was a few days old in 1965 before I had a choice. I've been tortured all my life, and in recent years I tried to find her. I did find not her but info on her. She died at only 45. She killed herself. She had been in prison, had been in therapy, had been expelled from school for cheating, had a bankruptcy on her record, had never married, had never had children, had made many suicide attempts until she succeeded. I found some of her rants online. She killed herself because she was adopted and read in books like Primal Wound there was a direct connection between her misery and being adopted. She said she felt dead and empty inside, she wished she had been aborted since religious folks say aborted babies go to Heaven and she was probably going to Hell now because she had tried in life and screwed up, working hard in the wrong directions because she did not know where she came from. I feel like I murdered her by throwing her up for adoption, cutting her away from her roots like a dead tree."
"I was adopted when I was four. Before that, I had lived with my abusive, drug addicted, alcoholic mother. She was only eighteen when she had me. The situation she was in is a perfect situation to justify an abortion. I am eternally grateful for her not aborting me. It is crazy to think that I easily could have never existed. I sympathize with you and cannot imagine having to discover that. But I commend you in that you did not give in and you kept your precious daughter. Her life could not have been 100% bad. At least she had the choice-the free will to live. You gave her that choice! I have certainly struggled in life with why my mother didn't want me or why I had to have been born and gone through the situations I have gone through. Yet I would not trade my life for anything. This is why I am pro-life. Everyone should have the chance to live. You did not murder her by throwing her up for adoption. Her own life took her down that path, not you. Don't beat yourself up over it. You did the right thing."
"It aint your fault. She was a victim of a broken mental healthcare system, not you. The grass is always greener on the other side, it seems. I hope you are doing well."
"I think abortion should be legal. I don't think the baby is living until it is born. But if you do believe you are doing wrong by aborting, you shouldn't get an abortion."
"Should abortion be allowed up through the third trimester then?"
"@marissa:It is *not* a proven fact that unborn children feel pain. At 5 weeks, the nervous system isn't even developed enough to feel pain! *Think* about things before you try to state something as fact when it isn't. Modern technology doesn't even have the ability to ascertain the exact moment when the nervous system is developed enough to allow a being to feel pain."
"The baby is living even when it isn't born yet. It is a proven fact that babies do have a heartbeat at 5 weeks and feel pain."
"Because anti-abortion is not about about murdering a child. It's about punishment and I don't believe in punishing someone for living their life. I also believe that a woman's body should be regarded like a man's body. we should be allowed to make a choice about what's best for us and our lives."
"I hold a moderate view on abortion. I support abortion if their is a risk of trauma to the mother and the baby is too young to survive, or the baby will die anyway."
"You shouldn't get an abortion if it's not dangering you, or did not concieve willingly. However, as the law would pertain to humans, human nature annoyingly looks to other ways to accomplish a goal if the main way is eliminated. It doesn't matter if the main clinics are shut down, they'll do it anyway. It's similar to gun laws-you shouldn't have a gun, you really shouldn't use one, but the problem-maker will do it anyway, and the side-effects of a back-alley abortion is worse. Making the problem illegal doesn't make the problem go away. This isn't a game, where making something illegal makes it impossible to do. Besides, it's none of your business unless you are getting on or plan to. Don't like abortions? Don't get one. Not your problem."
"amyrichard: Whether the fetus is alive has nothing to do with abortions. We require no one else in society to be obligate donors. You would probably think it was ridiculous if doctors showed up at your home demanding bone marrow because you were a match and someone would die without your marrow, but you seem to think nothing of forcing a woman to go to doctor appointments, change her lifestyle, and risk her health for someone she does not want to take such a risk for. We don't even require people to be organ donor after they die! yet somehow it is okay to force a woman to support a fetus for 9 months. It makes no sense regardless of whether the fetus is considered alive or not."
"I'm not sure who originally coined this phrase, but I've seen it repeated by many pro-lifers: "When you say don't like abortion, don't get one, we hear don't like murder, don't do it." Your argument on how illegalizing abortion won't get rid of abortion is spot on, but you left out one critical part of the debate which is whether or not the fetus is alive and if abortion is murder. This is not just a moral debate on how one views abortion, but also a scientific debate on what classifies as life."
"If a doctor believes a woman's health is at risk, whether physically or mentally then she should be allowed to choose whether to get an abortion. I know that could open a door to doctors allowing women to get an abortion even if they are fine, but this is already true with other factors. For instance, doctors have been busted already giving steroids out or medicinal weed to people who might not exactly qualify. People will always break the system, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't set laws."
"Abortion should be legal in America due to such cases as poverty, overpopulation, financial crises, rape cases, or even death. Yes rape cases are only one percent but think about it. We should not based everything on religion, we should balanced both religious views and facts before we come to a conclusion about whether or not women should have an abortion. In religious view, it is wrong to kill someone, but the truth is, according to the facts the fetus is not considered a human yet at the first week of conception. If you took life science and covered it, it is considered a zygote and not human, it does not have any features yet and does not have a heart of anything because it is still developing and it takes time for it to become human. All in all, we do not have the right to decided whether or not a person could have an abortion, the same as same sex marriage. We are not god, we are not superior, we can't decide of people, they have to decide of themselves."
"We are not basing pro-life beliefs just on religion. If we look at things from a scientific position, at the moment of conception an individual is created with genetics that no other individual has. A zygote is still human. The cells are human cells even if it doesn't look that way. It's not its own species."
"There are woman out there who try to prevent pregnacy and end up pregnan regardlesst. A woman should have a right to what happends to her body. Yes, the child is its own being but being totaly dependent on the mother, I feel the woman should have the choice if she wants to deal with a pregnacy or abort the child. "
"Lily: An abortion is a responsible decision and response to a pregnancy. It isn't "avoiding consequences" at all, but a responsible option. 9 months is a long time to ask someone to donate their body and change their lifestyle. Being pregnant is hard on a body and a person, and not something everyone wants to do. Pregnancy requires a woman to give nutrients and oxygen to the baby, and avoid certain activities and foods. It is insulting to say that a woman is worth so little, that she should be required to give her health, wellbeing, and energy to another against her will. It always astonishes me when abortion stories are told with conditions like "she already has four children who need her" or "her ill mom will suffer while she is on bed rest." Why must a woman always be taking care of another human being? Also valid reasons are things like "She has a fulfilling job that contributes to society and she won't be able to reach her full potential having a baby right now" or "She is in college studying to become a professional." Women have value above and beyond being a uterus, and no one else (you, me, a patient needing a kidney, or a fetus) has a right to her body and health without her permission regardless of her reasons."
"Seriously? Deal with a pregnancy? So mistakes shouldn't have consequences? If birth control fails, oops, have the baby and learn from your mistake and change your birth control methods. 9 months is all it takes to offer someone the chance at life. Adopt out."
"I'm pro for abortion because it is the mother's choice. It could've been a mistake, she could've gotten raped, and even though it's her child, and she should love it regardless, why should she keep I child that reminds her of a horrible and traumatizing time in her life? Or keep a child that was made in a one night stand. Not that having a child would mess up your life, but to have a child, you need both mother and father involved in his/her life. There really isn't any way to contact someone who you just had a one night stand with."
"Amy, you're talking to a person who grew up with no father and who's mother had her at 18. First of all, I'm not discriminating against anyone. And second, I'm nothing near being homophobic either, my best friend is gay, so do me a favor and stop putting words in my mouth. Thankyou."
"Thanks for discriminating against single parents and gay parents by claiming that a child needs both a mother and a father. Single parents and gays can do just as good of a job raising children. Not having a male influence to help you raise a child isn't an excuse to have an abortion. You can still do a good job as a mother or if you don't feel confident or don't want the responsibility you can give the child up to adoption. A lack of a male in your life is no excuse to extinguish a unique being."
"Lily, here's a thought, people do whatever they want whenever they want. Nobody's going to listen to you just because you tell them not to."
"They don't make bad parents. And I have no religion, so to me it's just, do what you want to do. I will say that it is a little difficult for them to raise a child to to expenses and society, but hey, I made it out fine. I don't see why anyone else couldn't."
"I'm sorry Kyara. You wrote that a child needs both a mother and father involved in their life and I clearly misunderstood you. Could you please clarify that statement for me and how you do not mean that single parents or gay parents would make bad parents? I do not mean to put words in your mouth. I'm just trying to understand your point. And also having gay friends does not mean you support gay unions. One of my closest friends is Christian and says she has no problem with her gay friends. But she argues against gay marriage and believes homosexuals would make terrible parents even though she loves this friend very much. I disagree with her and I would like to know how you stand because not every gay couple, infertile couple, or single parent are wealthy enough to afford invitro fertilization or the lengthy process of adopting outside of the United States."
"Alright. Then you are living proof that a child raised without both parents can turn out well. Why are you still pro-choice?"
"Here's a thought, don't have one night stands. If you do get pregnant due to a one night stand it only takes 9 months of your life to give someone a lifetime."
"Should abortion be legal? There is an average of 1.3 million abortions per year and One out of five pregnancies end in abortion. Women aged 20-29 receive 55% of all abortions, and 40% of all women have an abortion by the age of 45. Although there are about 1,800 abortion providers in the United States, 87% of US countries do not provide abortion services. According to Harry Reid , the Senate Majority leader , believes that abortion should be legal due to safety reasons. Harry Reid said ,"I think that no matter how you stand on the issue of abortion, people who make that decision should do it and not have to be worried about infections and some butcher like this doing the bad things that they did. It should be in a place that is clean and sterile and have people who know what they're doing and care about what they do."I personally think abortion should be legal because either way people try to prevent it, woman will always find a way to have an abortion. Why risk their lives when there can be many ways to control this process. People should open more clinics that provide more professionals that know this procedure."
"Experiences is what defines us as being human. The things that each person goes through in their life is what makes us "us". An unborn fetus has no experiences and could to some extent be considered nothing more that a parasite leeching off the life force of the mother who may not want the child. The are many reasons why a mother may want to not give birth to a child and in the end point is that it is freedom that is desired. So the point is that you are removing an unborn child with no identity or personality of any kind."
""experiences is what defines us as being human"By what authority do you say this? What authority do you wield to define what is and what is not humanity?I know that you have none, so mostly asking to see if you've considered this yourself. There must be some weight or authority to statements you make, especially when a human life hangs in the balance of the discussion."
"Abortion should remain legal under the roe vs wade decision, and follow the limitations laid down by that ruling and further rulings. There is no scientific reasoning to say that "a" human being begins at conception .. sure there is life, but life that is no different to any other cell in the human body.The fundamental argument of the anti-choice campaign is primarily religious based, again a premise that has no logical foundation in scientific fact. Should we therefore base laws on unproven theology, as apposed to proven science. Point of fact, prior to the formation of the embryo all the cells are the same, yet some will become the embryo, others will become the placenta, if, as anti-choicers insist, that "a" human being starts at conception does this not mean that the cells that become the placenta are also worthy of human rights and should be protected? Clearly that idea would be inane even to the anti-choice people.Moralistic arguments have little value in this debate given that morals are fluid and a likely to change through societies developments. The stoning of non-believers was considered morally just in Jesus's time, is that still correct?"
""no different from any other cell in the human body"This is completely untrue. There is NO OTHER cell like the fertilized egg in the human body. It is alone in its qualities.If not terminated the zygote will grow into a full adult human. No other cell can do this. Your statement is completely false.The pro-life stance IS NOT religious based. No religion is required since Science, Philosophy and Common Sense all already agree that it is a human being. You have nothing contrary to what Science, Philosophy and Common Sense tell us.. let alone Religion. We can base a law on science, philosophy and common sense... all very good alone.When RvW is overturned, I wonder if you'll honor the law as you say you wish for now?"
"It is the right of a woman and the government shouldn't have anything to do with it. There is too many teen pregnancies and single mothers struggling to get by. When you have a kid, it should be because you want to not because you have to; no kid deserves to grow up thinking that he/she is what ruined the mother's life."
"If the only reason the mother has an abortion is because they don't want the child... why not adopt out? Not all children that are adopted out feel neglected. Shouldn't the child have a chance to overcome the obstacles of life?"
"Well first, Teen's should be more careful and you can always adopt out. You shouldnt just murder the baby because, you dont want it. that is plain wrong. and i was adopted and i am perfectly happy with my life."
"Religious arguments never hold up in court. "because it's wrong" is not a valid statement that holds up in court. I see it as a woman's choice, all choices we make in life have a positive AND negative impact. That's a freedom we have right there; to make a choice. There's no need to implement fear onto others...how about just facts. Ignorance and ethnocentric views will only harm you. This needs to be viewed in a cultural relativistic perspective. Just because someone is different or makes a different choice doesn't mean it's wrong. However your perception is your reality to an extent. Options should be available for women out there...There are all these issues with the moral fabric of society, values, etc. Well take into account cultural imperialism... if abortion was illegal...then that will force women to assimilate into a society said to value freedom of choices... yet they're being made to give birth..Whereas it is legal now.. but no one is forcing a large population who has different values to abort. (generally speaking of course.) This is not a "I'm right you're wrong issue"... because that's childish and this issue is not to be taken lightly. There are always compromises and potential solutions."
"I am for abortion because every woman has a different reason for terminating a birth and that is the mother's decision, not the law's."
"I believe that the church has influenced the "con" people and the church shouldn't have a say in the laws that the government makes, it should be up to the person individually not by people who aren't in that situation"
"Josh, you don't fully believe that people should be free to individually decide who can and who cannot live.We already have laws against murder and theft that mimic ancient religious laws. Surely you are not against these are you?It would be better to understand why you feel a person should be free to kill an unborn child and (assuming you are happy with the anti-murder laws we have today) not okay to kill a born human.Can you define that?"
"Women deserve the right to control their own bodies. The fact that people think they can tell women what to do with their bodies is bordering on totalitarianism. Also, to the people who are pro-life, you actually believe that if a young girl gets raped she should have her life ruined by being forced to have a child? If abortion's are not legal, it won't make people stop getting them. It will simply make them resort to other methods because they are desperate. Dangerous and illegal surgeries, pushing themselves down stairs, and many other horrible methods would be the result. To the Christians who insist that it goes against the Bible, you should study up because no where in the Bible does it ever say abortion should not be allowed or anything even nearly related. Abortion is the choice of the woman and in many cases is best- why bring unwanted children into the world, most of whom will just be put up for adoption and spend their childhoods in facilities? Just like the food you eat and clothes you wear are YOUR choices, to have or not have a child is their choice. Who are you to say otherwise?"
"I am 100% prochoice. Pregnancy can be very traumatic. Slavery is supposed to be illegal, so support a woman's right to choose what happens to her body."
"Amy: Pregnancy is risky, and giving up 9 months of ones life is not as trivial as you make it sound. We do not even require people to be organ donors after they die and have no use for them, but a woman is using her blood, organs, and life. 1 in 4800 women in the US (1 in 7 where there is less medical care) die from pregnancy complications, and many more suffer serious health issues. You make it sound like being pregnant is a small event. You are talking about a condition requiring medical care (minimally a midwife). No one should be required to do this unless they really want to. I am seriously confused by your selfish response stating that some women should be incubators because other women aren't lucky enough to be able to have children."
"Brandon: Having sex does not equate to a decision to get pregnant in the same way that driving a car does not equate to a decision to get in a car accident or cooking dinner does not equate with a decision to burn oneself. Sex is a normal part of a healthy relationship and brings a couple closer together and having sex can be a decision about being intimate, not about making a baby.Amy: You would probably call someone crazy if they started telling you that you needed to think about all of the people dying because they don't have access to blood or a kidney, and how selfish you were to not donate blood or a kidney. That is how you sound insisting that a woman donate her body for the presumed (not even proven) life of a fetus. Women are not incubators and a women's body, health, life, and wellbeing are valuable. We do not require anyone else to be an obligate donor and it is not only hypocritical, but illogical to force this on women."
"And what about the person inside of her. What happens to this person's choice?"
"It is a woman's choice to have sex and become pregnant. Unless she was raped but that is not the case in about 99% of abortions."
"Amy: Thank you for admitting that you give more rights to a dead body than to a live woman. I didn't realize that it would be such a problem to decide which DEAD body should donate organs they weren't using, however. Thousands of people die each year waiting for organs, and if all life is really valuable the pro-life people should be trying to find a way to solve this issue. Women, however, are still using their bodies. So it seems and easy choice to me to let her decide whether or not she wants to be an obligate donor. Abortion protects this right. Abortion also prevents forced pregnancy (which is what you propose). Forcing a woman to maintain a pregnancy just so a couple can adopt a baby IS selfish. There are TONS of children out there who need homes! I honestly felt very selfish just wanting a biological child of my own knowing how many children are being moved from foster home to foster home without anyone who wants to adopt them."
"I'm sorry, dyfts, you misunderstand my comment. I was referring to adoption. I didn't realize it was selfish to mention that there is an alternative to abortion, but we all have our opinions. Hope that clears things up. Meanwhile, on the issue of pregnancy deaths, most deaths are caused by complications that could have been avoided such as obesity. Now, since we will be paying for everyone's healthcare I hope the government takes steps to combat obesity. The second reason these deaths occur is due to poor access to health care. Fortunately, there is a universal mandate now and hopefully American deaths will decrease to the averages of other industrial nations. Lastly, the reason why people don't have to give up organs is because of the legal complications it would create. For example, there are many possible bone donor matches for a patient. How would you decide who has to donate?"
"Actually, dyfts, I would not call people that told me that crazy. I believe there is a huge demand for blood and organs and I wish more people would sign up to be an organ donor. I am not insisting that a woman donate her life to the fetus. The human exists within her. It is an undeveloped being that will not be fully developed for at least the next twenty years, but the woman only needs to carry it for less than a 1/20th of that time. Then the baby is out. She doesn't have to take responsibility for it. She doesn't have to feed it, teach it, or love it even. Someone else can do that. She's alive and the baby is alive. All pro-lifers want is for that human to have a chance at life. If the mother doesn't want it, then we want it. Not all of us are lucky and can have children."
"why does it always have to be half and half here where is the middle ground.don't you consider that there are different situations surrounding every case. if your about to go into labor and want and abortion that makes zero sense. while getting one in the beginning months is painless to the fetus they won't be aware of it in the first place. in most cases abortions should be legal espicailly if they endanger the life of the mother. I also believe that if the mother chooses abortion for a non medical reason that is her choice.the fetus is hardly aware of anything to be honest and when I was a baby I had no memory of that time period rarely anyone does.really its not our concern what happens to the fetus until its born. also abortion doesn't happen only in our species it happens with other mammals like fish naturally.even the human body in its own way has millions of abortions. do you realize how hard it is for a zygote to be formed much less pass through the immune system undected and make it to the uterus without being attacked by white blood cells!!!???90 percent of time the body will attack the egg before it can even result in pregency or it will die.plus the body miscarries to. abortion is actually a natural process that happen"
"So if someone is unaware of their surroundings or does not have a good memory then it is alright to get rid of them? Is this how we measure life: intelligence? What about mentally retarded people or older people suffering from alzheimers? Is their right to life dismissed because they are not as mentally aware as you or I? The debate is not over natural abortion, it is over intended abortion. Death is natural and inevitable too, but that does not mean people should put themselves in dangerous situations."
"im for abortion women should be able to choose what they want or not and yes it is terminating something but its done when the baby is still an embryo its murder when it becomes a fetus and people should be able to have options and regardless if there are people waiting to get children that are adopting if the woman doesnt want to carry the child and give it away she dosent have to she should be able to decide and so what she wants"
"Lets say you get pregnet and your in lets say high or middle school whould you rather have the choise to continue your education or live with a baby and you could never get a good job to support that child because you never finished high school that child will suffer. It's better to have the child die while its not capable to think insted of have to live with the fact that your mother GAVE YOU UP. Stay out of other peoples lifes. It is the WOMANS body, HER choice NOT YOURS get over it. If your not happy with the fact that SHE wanted to kill her baby that WAS NOT born then keep your mouth shut. It's HER baby deal with it."
"Abortion is a womans choice and not the governments nobody should have control of what a woman chooses to do with her body. I noticed in the comments that people say its killing a baby but this FETUS does not feel any pain until about 20 weeks after conception and after that 20 weeks you are legally not able to have an abortion. The fetus feels no pain"
"So self-mutilation should be alright, too? (Currently it's still illegal in a couple states) So as long as there's no pain involved, that justifies it? I hope you aren't against euthanization of the elderly, or lethal injection. Supposedly there's no pain involved with those, either."
"Abortion and reproductive freedom more broadly defined are important pieces of ensuring this common dream. To obtain a better future, we each must be free to make profoundly personal decisions about our reproductive lives without unwarranted government intrusion. An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn). A child may ruin a woman's career or her daily life. Of course, some women don't have the time to take care of a child. Sometimes the woman is not ready for a child yet."
"Abortions. Every mother thinks about it at some point in their lives. Young mothers are never the best mothers. Especially when they are unprepared. Especially when the majority are still in school and don't have the time for a baby. Mothers need to devote more than just the early morning and the evening to their children. As the child grows older, they will need to go to daycare and school. This costs a lot, especially for someone without a steady income or a husband. Women need to think about what they are getting into before they do it. They need to think about how their lives will be affected by the new baby. They need to think about how their children's lives will be affected by the lack of their mother's presence. Most mothers don't think, they just do. In some cases, that is fine, it may benefit you, but in others, it just makes life a whole lot worse. Women may not always be thinking sensibly, especially when they are in the "heat of the moment." Abortions can save more than just one life. The baby will be no more, but the mother can think about graduating, college, friends, and a job. When all of that is finished, she may be ready.Abortions are necessary in life because women who are not ready yet have a second chance."
"I'm vet much afraid of our government having that kind if control over people. Not so much the abortion itself but to outlaw a certain procedure because some believe it is morally objectionable. To cite a more direct problem; the "life begins at conception law." To pass this law would also outlaw IVF treatments. Would you deny women the ability to have a child too?? Because IVF conceives multiple embryos yet only implants a few. You can choose to freeze others but some are invariably tossed at the eight cell stage because of lack of growth. If life begins at conception then this is also considered murder. And lastly, if pro-lifers want to fix a problem then be part of the solution. Adopt a child instead if popping out more children if your own if you feel so strongly about the issue."
"What do other's have a say in a woman's body? It's her choice to make for herself, not yours, mind you're own business Im not saying the CONS are wronge, its ok to feel that way but let them do "wrong" What if a 12 year old girl got raped? Would you just let her go through all that pain? Let the baby suffer knowing it was unwanted and never know it's fahter and be in an adoption center? NO. If if your christain and say tho shall not kil cuz ur all religous, that totally ok, but look up the crusades! Muslims, Jews,and Christains kill too! So believe what YOU want to"
""All religious"??? "Muslims, Jews, and Chrisitans kill"... okay, but does that make killing justified? "Religious" and moral views are ALWAYS involved, almost by definition, in discussing such matters. You say it is the woman's body, and the State "ought" not to interfere. That's a moral point of view, pal. If you're an atheist, it would be like me saying that atheists such as Stalin, Pol Pot, and the like, have interfered with the rights of people, (including, no doubt, their bodily rights ie their right to life) and therefore it is illogical to now want to protect a woman's right to her own body. It's just as (il)logical."
"Many people consider abortion murder, I know what I'm about to say might not be part of the argument, but think of all the animals you kill and eat everyday. We humans only think of our own survival, we are all considered murderers on the inside. We consider abortion as a murder case, but how about the eggs you eat?"
"the eggs we eat are infertile"
"The eggs we are really eating are the chickens period so imagine eating the chickens period (that has nothing to do with abortions ) but I'm pro-life"
"Abortion should be made available to anyone who deems the choice necessary. It is a decision to be made by the female and anyone they wish to include, not people who will never met the person or the possible child or aid in its upbringing. If you want less abortions, the answer isn't to outlaw them: people will still get them, whether it be in alleyways or in other unsanitary and unsafe conditions. The solution is to make aid for those who have these children more accessible, to make contraceptives easier to acquire, and to improve the adoption and foster care systems. If I don't want to raise this child, why would I subject them to possible suffering? We're going about this the wrong way."
"First of all, when pregnant women are murdered, the murderer is generally not charged with 2 counts of murder.Moreover, a fetus is not a baby, just like an egg or a sperm is not a baby. I have my period every month - does that mean that I'm a babykiller?"
"Abortion is much more than a woman's right to be free from an unwanted child. It is an unborn child's right NOT be born into a miserable life of poverty and abuse. "Right to life" and "right to a good life" are two entirely different things. Very few unwanted children forced to be born ever get a good life . ( If I were an unwanted child I would much rather be aborted than abused.)"
"Man, you almost sound like something I said, but I am so glad, seriously that someone put it even better than I did. I agree, they can be born into a life of poverty, and abuse, either at the hands of a parent, or the hands of a religious authority figure, or a teacher, or someone off the street. Abortions prevent that from happening. Misery also, because of a stigma, such as being born handicapped or with the name of someone who is very hated, or the result of rape/incest, or an accident, that can have alot of consequences on a child that can scarr them for life.I agree with your last statement. Right to a good life and life are two different things. Also, being born disabled, or being the victim of bullying for various reasons, kids wished that they were aborted, so I would agree with you. You made some very awesome statements on here, as far as this topic goes.We need more people like you on the pro side."
"I think it is funny how most the Con comments are just outright "nup it's murder, and that's that" while Pro comments go into detail with their argument. Abortion should be up to the potential parent. It's a tough choice to make, but it should be just that; a choice."
"It should be alright for a parent to choose whether to kill their innocent defenseless child? Its a choice to kill now. You want to know what i think is funny ? how your prochoice because you already have been born thankfully because your parents didnt choose to asassinate you."
"Because it is.Define murder, or kill: to rob one of his or her existence. If I kill you, I've robbed you of the rest of your existence. If you kill your unborn child, you've quite literally robbed him/her of the ENTIRETY of his/her existence. If anything, this should warrant an even harsher punishment than simple post-birth murder."
"apparently you haven't done your research or you know that we "cons" actually have a counter argument for EVERYTHING "pro" PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY!!! you say if you get raped then abort... we say if you get raped you can either keep that baby as a reminder of how you have come so far since or you can give the baby up for adoption to a couple that has been waiting for a baby. you say if you don't have the money abort... ABORTION IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN ADOPTION!!! the only thing more expensive than abortion is raising your child, but the gov. has made programs to help with that too. The facts are that abortion is MURDER!!!"
"actually, it's switched. almost all the comments on the pro side are just rape. i am against abortion and i had a son at 15. there is no good reason to punish an unborn child for your or some one else's mistake."
"I agree, Anus. It should be a woman's choice, especially when you look at all the factors that are involved with taking care of that little brat. I mean, are you ready to give up your life, and pursuits for someone who will either be a little burden, or a bully to others, or wind up on interpol, or the FBI's 10 most wanted before 21? Do you want to be burdenized, because the priority is that kid, and not your own life, and wind up getting ulcers, because of the stress of taking care of a child, not to mention the debt that you will accumulate with things such as doctor's visits, and psycoloigists, due to the mistake you made? I say, it isn't worth it, especially if you have to work more than one job to support the mistake you made, that an abortion can prevent. And to that other malarchy about the god thing, I suppose the antis out there agree with both Richard Mourdoch and Todd Aikens statements in regards to pregnancies as a result of rape or incest, don't you antis? I'm sure alot of you do, only you don't want to admit it. So, it should be a choice. Pro choice means you are in favor or letting a person MAKE the choice (choice, antis, not force, which is YOUR point of view). End of story."
"sometimes one word is all we need to describe a situationmurder"
"it's the mother's body so it is her choice. if she really doesn;t want a child, she will go to extremes like a backstreet abortion. no child deserves to be brought into the world unwanted either."
"I agree completely!"
"i think that abortion shouldnot be ilegal beacuse what if a 9 year old girl got raped and ends up pregnant ? her body will not be ready to have a baby and she is way to young to be having a baby at this age and she might die."
"a nine yr old would most likely have not started her period which would make it impossible to get pregnant"
"A woman who isn't ready for a baby will not be a good mother. Children deserve mothers who are financially, emotionally and physically stable. A rape victim might not want to take care of a rapists child, and a teen mom might want to pursue her life goals rather than take care of child for the next 18 + years. If I know that my child and I would suffer, I would rather not have it at all"
"The children who are killed could've easily had a future by adoption. There are so many arguments to make against this, but to crush a soul, kill a human, why do it?"
"Right, but It was your choice you lay downa nd spread your legs, you have to think about that when your about to have sex, know with Rape I understand, but Not to kill the baby who hasn't even had a chance to live"
"she should't have sex point blank don't open your legs if you don't want the respnsibility"
"i was raped when i was 14... IM PRO-CHOICE because of what happend to me.. if u are in the same situation i was in when i was 14 you would probably see things the way i do. im 17 and honestly if i would have ended up pregnant.. and kept it i dont know that i would be able to look at my kid and when he or she asks where there father is what would u tell them? how could u face a little kid and tell them that there father raped u? its not right. another thing is for people who have been raped and cant provide for the kid. you dont want the kid to have a bad life. now if u r willingly having sex and u get pregnant. i think u should deal with being pregnant because ur the one who chose to have sex. u have to deal with the consiquence of ur actions."
"I was also raped when I was 14, too afraid to tell my parents, but my friends mom got me plan b. My life would have been over if I had gotten pregnant and there was no contraceptive."
"Come on. You are either prochoice or not."
"As a birth control activist Margaret Sanger has said: "No women can call herself free who does not own and control her own body." Especially if the baby has been conceived without the will of the mother, then her right of disposal supercedes the right of an unborn baby to live."
"Yeah, and Margaret Sanger was also an Eugenist. I think you might want to look a bit more into Sanger before you start quoting her. I would be ashamed to have anything to do with using her for an argument."
"I am for abortion all the way, it is not murder as it has not had a heartbeat yet."Taking the life of a human being/baby." It is not a human being yet nor a baby, only after birth it can be considered a living being. Talk about taking a life and killing it, then why would you kill bugs and other creatures around you that are LIVING. You end it's life because it doesnt belong there. If you're so into religion, then why kill God's creatures he has put forth in front of you for beauty, and yet end God's creation?Think about what you say before putting religion into this. A woman has her rights and because religion has such imapct, who are you all to judge how a woman runs her own body? You are not God, you are to not judge for another person you don't know. It's a clump of cells that are not alive yet and therefore a life has not been taken away. It is pure sin to punish another person just because you disapprove of them. If it is not meant to be and the mother has that feeling it isn't, then it isn't. The future of the child shouldn't be a punishment to his/her life because of irresponsibility in the mothers case. Except for rape/incest."
"Ah, finally somebody who makes sense. You're right, a woman DOES have her rights. As far as the religious argument, it is a fradulent one. I can't understand why so many people believe that crap.In cases of rape/incest, the abortion SHOULD happen, because this way, the mother has no tie or result reminding them of what had happened. I don't know about you, but if I were in that position, I certainly wouldn't want to be reminded of such a horrid incident, and neither would anyone, so why force a mother to keep a little burden who will turn out worse than the case of rape and incest, right? I say, let the people decide what to do. Daniel, I salute you for giving an argument that makes sense. Thank you"
"The decision to have an abortion is a very personal one. In a secular nation we should not govern through the lens of one religious ideology. If one's personal beliefs prohibit the termination of a pregnancy then they are free to take their pregnancy to term. If bearing a child is a danger or a hardship for a family then they too should be free to end a pregnancy. For those that fight to ban abortion they should consider if they live in Vermont and a woman in Utah decides to terminate a pregnancy their life is unaffected by that decision. We should all live our own lives and not try to control that of others. We need to respect the beliefs of others and respect the diversity that makes this country great. The right to choose allows people of all faiths to legally follow their owm conscience and take responisbilty for their actions."
"It is very offensive to me that some old man in Washington DC would claim to know what is best for me and my family. Fourteen years ago I had to terminate a wanted pregnancy when my husband and I found out the baby had severe genetic defects. It was very emotionally painful, but I was lucky to have a lot of family support. If I hadn't been able to the baby would have needlessly suffered for the rest of its life."
"I never fully thought about this issue until I was the one that had to make it. i was someone that said i could never go through with it...that all changed when i became pregnant and was the one doing the decision making. i was taking birth control at the time and still got pregnant. i had only been in a relationship with the man for 4 mos, he had a child of his own and i was finishing my last semester of college.i thought about adoption but knowing that "my child" was somewhere out there in the world would have caused me more mental harm and guilt than choosing to have an abortion. i made the decision for me and only me and at that point in my life thats the decision that seemed to be best and i am beyond thankful i had the right to make that decision for myself. i strongly believe it should be a womans right to choose but let me say this i do not support the use of abortion as birth control. i came across something the other day that made me think and i believe someone commented about this earlier but those who are against abortion are usually anti-gay marriage so if you force a woman to have a baby and it turns out to be gay will you still fight for its rights as a human being?"
"If a living things needs MY body to survive, its rights do NOT override MY female rights over MY own body.Once viable (youngest case was 20 weeks), the fetus should be removed and doctors can try to keep it alive in an incubator.Before earliest known viability, 20 weeks, a female has SOLE jurisdiction of her body as the only independent person."
"THIS IS WRONG"
"It's a basic human right! Women deserve the right to choose. Taking away a women's right to abortion is anti-feminist. Take it from this standpoint, (this is directed towards men) if you had to hobble around with a giant bulge, that could affect you physically and mentally, then you should be able to make the choice to abort the child. If the women is not capable of taking care of the child she has all the right to abort the child. Please, take a moment to understand that women who are forced to give birth to children they aren't able to take care of are forced to suffer, and sacrifice their career, health (mentally and physically,) as well as her life goals."
"So you'd kill an unborn child to to avoid the "inconvenience" of being pregnant? Adoption is an option. Some women like you play up pregnancy as this horrible physically damaging event. But it's not. Its funny of you ask a woman who got pregnant intentionally she'll tell you it's the most beautiful experience in her life. Yes its your body BUT nine months of a healthy pregnant is definitely Not a viable excuse to kill the unborn baby for its 9 month temporary stay. Saying "its my body and my choice" would be like saying killing someone with your bare hand s and because you chose to do it, it makes it OK. Last the baby is in your uterus because you chose to have sex. You could have 100% prevented it."
"what if the mother of the unborn child has a major chance of dying when the baby is born. both the mother and the baby could die from lack of oxygen from the mother suffocating. abortion would be easier on the mother, and the baby would not have a prolonged death. but if a family is waiting to adopt the baby, then just suck up the pain and deliver the baby for the awaiting family."
"I'm PRO because I believe that every female has a right to their own body, thing's happen and women can't always control the fact that they got pregnant. In some cases women are not in a position to raise a child at that period in their life and they need a way out. Teen pregnancy, Poor living conditions, etc. I believe that abortion is not murder and should not be called murder, because the women giving up the life of he child isn't doing it in a malicious way, they are merely just trying to save that child from being forced into an unsuitable living condition. I'm 14 and I believe that if something were to happen to me today, and I became pregnant I would want to be able to have options. I believe no Country/state has the right to deprive me of whether or not I want to create life."
"if you get raped then it wasnt your fault and you shouldnt have a child that was un planned for and not wanted . You shouldnt bring a young one to suffer in this world when it is unnessesary. In conclusion UNDER CERTAIN circumstances abortion is needed."
"My thing is with rape and abortion is that it shouldn't be allowed either. Does sound horrible but, bit let me explain. When a woman is legitimately rapped, she goes right to the police or the hospital where she is giving a rape kit that provides Plan B to prevent conception right from the bat. My question is if she was rapped why did she wait so long to do anything about it? Was she really rapped in the first place? Is she having second guesses about a hook up? A hook up that could now possibly charged with a rape that didn't occur. This event I described happens a lot in the US to men."
"This is one argument that I think isn't used enough for the pro-choice side.How did America come to be? We left Britain. Why did we leave Britain? Because they were being unfair over there and forcing everyone to practice the same religions and beliefs. We came here for the freedom to practice our own religions, believe in our own beliefs, and - from those - have our own morals.What is the purpose of the pro-life side? To force either their A) religion, B) beliefs, or C) morals onto other people. Isn't that exactly why we left Britain? So why are we allowing that to happen in our own country?There shouldn't be *any* laws on abortion. It is a private matter that should only be between a medical professional - who is the *only* authority on abortion - and a woman, the one who has to go through the procedure.I, personally, believe that an unborn child does not yet have a soul and, therefore, cannot be murdered. Who are you to tell me otherwise and force *your* beliefs onto me? How can you tell a woman who doesn't want to have a child that she has to be a hostage to a fetus inside of her? That's just not right and I don't see how our country can allow such a thing."
"CC would you have any issue with someone who believed you did not have a soul until you accepted their religion?Therefore, decapitating you was not an immoral act.Should we all just use our own measure of morality? Of course not. There has to be law and order. There are already laws against murder... for good reason. You do not disagree with that law do you?The debate on whether or not abortion should be legal is really a debate on when human life begins. You say we do not have a "soul" until we're born (you are putting religion into this discussion btw). Set that aside and share your thoughts on when you feel we become a human being and have rights the same as other human beings... and they can you explain why (this is the trickier part of course)."
"How do you have a "right" to life then? If a person shot you full of ketamine and eviscerated you, should anyone call them a murderer? I mean you wouldn't feel pain while it happened, and you wouldn't be aware or cognitive enough to realize you were being killed. So that should be allowed right? If you don't think so then how do you justify your right to life? And even if you have a decent explanation, it is not your right to tell your murderer that his morals are wrong. He should be allowed to kill you with this line of reasoning."
"Here's the overriding question I have for the antis: If a woman is determined to have an abortion and cannot be talked out of it, how do you physically stop them? Even locking them up will not prevent a person from causing a miscarriage if they are set on doing so. So then what? Strap them to a gurney for nine months? Force them to carry and deliver? Are we really prepared to go there?"
"Jason, you likely don't have many responses because the question is flawed. It sounds like you are saying since we cannot stop all abortions, even if made illegal, that taking a stance against abortion is wrong. I may be wrong about that, but that is how it seems.Can you clarify why you need to know how the world would stop someone from breaking a law that limits abortions? Why is this important to the debate of whether or not abortion is wrong (recall, that is what this debate is about).Theft is illegal and it continues. Same with murder and speeding.what is your point in the debate of whether or not abortion is good or bad? Can you explain why you ask and how it is important to this debate... then you might get more responses."
"A law student I am not, but in the premiss of abortion being illegal and a woman seeking abortion, a substantial amount of reasonable suspicion would have to be established for measures to be taken to prevent her murdering her unborn child. There are legal presidents that would be broached with these situations and great care would have to be taken to preserve peoples' rights but it is not something that is impossible to tackle. This is America, not Romania, the possibility of what you fear should be a non-issue with our constitution. If we make abortion legal will that stop all women from getting one? No, it will not. So should we just not worry about making abortion illegal because women will get them anyway? In my opinion no, we should still make it illegal. Laws should be a reflection of our ethics, and they should be consistently enforced without special reserve. And the most logical and consistent definition of when a person becomes a person is at conception, and that person has rights like everyone else that should be protected. Want to give a definition of when personhood begins? Be my guest. Just make sure it is scientifically and logically consistent by how all others are defined as persons."
"Jason, how would you stop anyone from doing something which is unethical? By teaching them about all sides of the issue with gentleness, love, persuasion, kindness. If that does not work then does that mean it's ok to let them continue to perform an act that is unethical or immoral? What if they are convinced they should commit suicide? The same arguments could be used to support that as well. Is that the line of reasoning you want to follow?The issue is, that you are supporting the claim that one person's right to persuit of happiness is more important than another person's right to life. There's a reason the founding father listed those rights in the order that they did."
"Please tell me what said measures would be. Remember, I'm asking for individual opinions from anti-abortion advocates. What in your mind would be reasonable measures to prevent a woman from getting an abortion if she is set on doing it? What constitutes "a reasonable amount of suspicion"? Does she simply have to say "I don't want to carry and deliver a pregnancy to term"? Does she have to be caught seeking abortion services by homicide detectives? And I have to ask again: If you lock her up, how to you stop her from forcing a miscarriage? I agree that our constitution doesn't allow us to strap her to a gurney for nine months, so what is the answer? So far, I see no way to do it."
"Well what do you know? Not a single response. Why, I wonder? The answer is that you have no answer that the public, even most anti-abortion activists, will accept. You know perfectly well that you cannot force someone to carry for nine months and then deliver. There is simply no way to do it. We have ways of preventing actual murder. We lock up violent people. We conduct psychiatric evaluations and take preventative measures if a person is believed to be a danger to themselves or others. This isn't possible when it comes to a woman who is determined to end an unwanted pregnancy. That is why "murder" cannot be applied to abortion."
"Yes abortion should be legal. It is a woman's life and uterus and forcing her to go through the misery of an unwanted pregnancy is wrong. Forcing her to go through a pregnancy she doesn't want isn't going to make her love the child and it isn't going to make her stop doing activities that could damage the fetus."
"it is a woman's right to choose abortion is a "fundamental rightsperson-hood begins at birth,not at conception"
"So by that definition then a mother could abort her child at 8 or 9 months because technically it's not a person?"
"Beginning at conception, every pregnancy involves two or more bodies. It is not a woman's choice nor body to have an abortion and assassinate a child. A mother and a child have different genetic codes. Every individual has their own genetic code, meaning every cell of the unborn child is different than the mother's cells. In most cases, the mother and child have different blood types, so the mother's blood is not the child's blood. The sex of the child is different than the mother if male, meaning the child's body is not the mother's. It is possible for the fetus to die and the mother to stay alive and it is possible for the mother to die and the fetus to live. Another example of why a mother and an unborn child can not be one person."
"It's the mothers' choice. It is her body , and she has the right to do whatever she wants to do with it. The government shouldnt control the body."
"You said it, it is the mothers body she owns not the baby's life, it was her mistake to do what she did,not the babyWhy should the mistake of the mother cost the baby's life?"
"@Agent Pendergast:Your argument that - because a person should have the right to do what they want with their own body - self-mutilation and suicide should be legal does not make any sense. There is a difference between a psychological disorder - which one would have to have in order to self-mutilate or commit suicide - and a choice to do something with your body.I have friends who have cut themselves. They didn't do it because they chose to; they did it because they felt as if they *had* to. They did it because they felt that the only way to escape their emotional pain was to cause their self physical pain. People who feel that way need psychological help. I would actually recommend that women considering abortion see a psychologist as well because it will benefit them in the end, but wanting an abortion does not mean you have a psychological disorder like self-mutilation and suicide does.And the fetus is never "the woman's body". It is, however, *inside* the woman's body, and she has the right to choose whether it can stay inside her or not."
"Bull. She can't legally prostitute. Can't legally smoke crack. Can't punch her two year old's teeth out. Can't operate a motorcycle while drunk. Why should she be able to be an irresponsible person and then be allowed to have a human being killed because of her selfish actions? As stated, it's scientifically proven to be human. The DNA proves this. Classifying it as something else due to a timeline is stupid and self serving. It will never be classified as a horse, housefly, or fern. It is human. All of you supporters are hypocrites. You get to type your love and support of abortion because your mother never aborted you. If you were a burden on her would you allow her to go back in time and changer her mind? Hell no. Because you are selfish and self centered. Live in the hypocrisy but thank your mother for not aborting you."
"So self-mutilation and suicide should be legal? At what point, specifically, does the fetus cease being "the woman's body" and start having it's own?"
"yes ,abortion is a personal choice, i do not need some one else to tell me what to do with an unwanted kid do to many different reasons, again everything is based on people religion,you have to do what they like and you cannot make your own decision?"
"Is it really taking a life by having an abortion. Life in my opinion is being able to live or sustain life independently. Is a person who is brain dead,hooked up to a ventolator, and has a feeding tube alive. How about just taking the baby out of the mother prematurely, if it lives then it has a chance at life, if not than it was really never truly alive. Women should not be forced to give birth. I feel it is extremely intrusive and distasteful to even presume to get involved in trying to control somebody's body. Last time I checked just because something isn't legal also doesn't mean it wont be done. All that will happen is many women will die or have complications while trying to have an illegal abortion."
"I am pro on this subject because people could just have unsafe abortions and that would be harming more than one life. (The mothers and the fetuses)."
"I was raised by a single abusive male figure and always wished I had never been born. I was so desperate to be loved that I wasted 10 years on a man who ended up stalking me and then raping me after using my computer to find a ring for a girl he cheated with. I believe in using birth control so that no unwanted child is conceived...although every possible resource must be available to women to avoid unwanted children. There are already more than 7 billion people in this world, which cannot sustain this many people. We have to stop bringing more children into this world. Every night I go to sleep, I pray that I will not wake up. I have never been loved; although I have loved. But my mother is the only person I hate. I wish she had used birth control."
"no matter how many times your male figure raised your hand to you just remain strong pray to wake up because there is someone out there who is looking for you , to love you so that if one day you do die they will want to take the journey to heaven with you and you can watch that abusive man BURN IN HELL!!!!!"
"People should do what they want! They shouldn't be stopped to do what they choose, that takes away from the first amendment: Freedom Of Choice!! Let women do what they want instead of taking away from their rights"
"What if a woman is raped. Now, the automatic for all you pro-lifers, would be adoption, right? Obviously none of you have ever had children. If you had, you'd realize that the bond between mother and child is one like no other. Giving up a child is arguably one of the hardest decisions a woman could ever make. Although I am in my teens, I am a mother and I've never loved any one as much as I do my daughter. Of course, if I had been raped, the pain of looking at the child for the rest of my life would be too much. It would interfere with my healing and my ability to parent. Abortion most of the time is a relief to the mothers. Carrying a child to term, regardless of whether you choose to parent or adopt out, will still leave a permanent reminder of your pain."
"A fetus does not have the capability to feel pain and suffering which renders the whole inhumanity part obsolete. The fetus also has no ability whatsoever to do ANYTHING for that matter, and shouldn't be granted legal rights. Judging by the fact that the fetus has no way of doing anything to show that there are reasonable enough grounds not to have the abortion whereas the mother does, she should have the right to abort a fetus (not a 9 month old baby)."
"Goodness guys. STOP REPEATING COMMENTS!!!Jeez! People like you make me want to re-think my stance. And as for the raping stuff, I'd say that both sides grossly exaggerate stuff. The yes people are right that courts are really biased in this stuff, though. =O"
"Man, these antis who are pro life would probably agree with Richard Murdoch or Todd Aiken's slogans or quotes as far as someone getting forcibly pregnant. In that case the anits are the fucked up ones on here, aren't you antis? You just don't want to admit, and can you imagine the scar on the child, knowing that it was a result of that? I wouldn't want to be the result of that, and I know the child wouldn't. I knew someone who was the result of that, and every day, they wish they were aborted. It is cruel to be born, knowing that they were the result of that, or of someone who abandoned them. Abortions can prevent something like that, as well as I have stated earlier, more Bugsy Seigels, Meyer Harris Cohens, people like you antis, and so forth. Hell, if I could, I would love to work for abortion clinics, because they prevent these problems. As far as back alley's go, it is the ANTIS who are making people go there, so antis, you are at fault for that. YOU should've been aborted. So, in conclusion, I say to the anits on here with extreme pride and pleasure: more abortions, MORE abortions, MORE F***ING ABORTIONS! DEAL WITH IT! And I hope there would be more abortions, so we will be laughing at you antis forever."
"I have had enough of your insulting. I am strong on the con side, and I won't tolerate your abuse anymore. Anyway, whatever you think, I don't think it. Go away."
"Abortion is a very important medical procedure. Say if the child has been proven it will be born with a terminal illness that will make it suffer to do anything in life. Such as the one skin condition the one man had where it bruised his skin with any contact against practically anything. And it practically fell off once. He passed away in his mid 20's. If I had a illness like that I would rather be aborted thank you.Plus, if a woman is the victim of rape, then she very well might need to get a abortion. I would not want to have the child of a rapist. And I doubt you would either. Plus it is not really a child yet, they have a word for what it is called and that is a fetus. Plus it is not exactly murder because it really is not exactly alive. Wouldn't be if it was not for its mother. And its not really your decision if some random women you don't know has a abortion or not. It doesn't really affect you. I read some comments on con, most of them where only opinions on why its "WRONG" one of them said that "Abortion is murder, thats it" which is such a arrogant comment I find. Sadly it has a high rating. Found this because of a persuasive essay I am writing. I am 16 years old, I wonder what the general age of this page is."
"I'd agree with you, if the diagnostics methods were more accurate. Sadly, they aren't. My friend's mom is pro-life. Guess what my friend was diagnosed with? Down syndrome. When his mom told me that story, I face-palmed."
"should be legal because people have the right to choose and because there maybe some reasons why many women decides to make an abortion."
"I'm pro for abortion because why is it anyone else buisness if someone were to get an abortion? What if someone got raped or if young teenagers accidentally made the wrong decision, they can't take care of a baby. I know its terrible to KILL another human being, but if you think about it. Its no ones choice besides the person its coming from. Plus anyone who is trying to adopt a child there are more than enough infants out there to get adopted so anyone to bring in adoption is in the wrong state of mind."
"Condoms can break, People can forget to use pills, and really? killing a toddler is not the same as killing an unborn child. The child is not alive yet, and it can't feel pain, it has no emotions. If you can support the child, then you shouldn't kill it, but if you can't, or you got raped, then you should take an abortion"
"Yes because what if you are a teenager and cannot afford it or what if you were rapped or what if you cannot afford it. I think women should have the right to make this choice"
"one word: ADOPTION!"
"Of course it should be legal. Why shouldn't it be? It's not your say whether the woman can start or end a life, PLUS..if the abortion is done before the fetus is formed, is it really taking a life? and who would know the difference if no one but the doctor and person included knew?"
""It's not your say whether the woman can start or end a life" Are you reading your own words?"
"So why not a mother of five year old kid, can she take the life of her daughter? If a mother has the right to decide who lives and who dies among her children, is that right?When a moment of conception occurs a living individual exists. You started there. I also started there. Everyone reading this response started out at that stage. A child is a human being from 6 months, to adulthood, and finally unto their very last breaths. It isn't so difficult to see the truth that at every stage of life, conception to death, we are human beings.If we really believe that doing what is right is at all important, regardless of when someone is looking or not, than we have to do the right thing and avoid the wrong. If no one sees a crime, it is still a crime. The crime is an act of inhumanity."
"Okay, so it seems the antis on here are coming up with more amusing arguments on why we should be pro-life. Well, I would like to ask the antis on here, would you want to have a hard time making ends meet, so future criminals, and financial and emotional burdens can wind up in an orange or blue suits in a jail cell, because of the economy the way it is, and also becaue there is nothing out there for them? Would you want victims of rape or incest to be seeing the face of the person who did it, and having a tie to the victimizer? Also, do you agree with the person who made that stupid comment during the presidential debate. I mean, come on, people, use whatever little brains you supposedly have. Babies are an economical and emotional burden, and also a source of problems. Ask any teenage or single mom out there who has a baby. I've known women who said they regretted having the babies because of problems such as finances, so if you want future criminals like Bin Laden, or Hussein running around, that's your problem, but in the meantime, let's say abortions are beneficial. So, I say onto yee, more abortions, MORE abortions, MORE F***ING ABORTIONS! Deal with it. End of story."
"Well, Victor Greywolf, you insult me and the rest of us cons, Those single and teen moms out there that regret having babies JUST because of finances obviously don't love or care for their children. THEY are not fit to be a parent. It is their choice to have sex in the first place, so blame them. Yeah, BLAME THEM. Also, it isn't guaranteed that babies conceived unintended will become criminals. What are you thinking?! ABORTION IS WRONG....deal with it!!!!!"
"I feel that to a certain extent abortions are okay. I feel that if you are sexually assaulted and are impregnated be your assaulter that you should have the right to have an abortion because chances are you are not going to have to want to handle a child for the rest of your life that came from something so negative, also the emotionally stress it may cause. Also if a woman knows that she will be unable to give her child a proper home and is just not emotionally ready for a child that she should be able to have an abortion because there is a chance that if she puts her child up for adoption that child may still never get adopted or if the child is adopted, they may not get treated right in their placement home. Nevertheless, I am not saying that women should just get abortions freely simply because they don't want their child."
"I feel that the only way or reason for someone to ever in life get a abortion is if they got raped. if it was a mistake or not u choose to have sex the other times so take responsisblity for what you've done as person because you have ruined an innocent life and killed a child of God."
"Well, I think abortion must not be legalized because to do the abortion means to kill someone. Today, there is contraception. people should use it. Babies are not like bad teeth to be jerked out because they cause suffering.An unborn baby is a baby nevertheless."
"i think the only way you should abort is if you get raped or something..."
"That's completely understandable and hard for a woman. But God feels that when you do abort in this situation you're punishing the child for something they couldn't control, it's sort of like revenge. What's great is that the majority of women that do get raped and pregnant keep the baby."
"yes because it is a human being and when a baby is killed it is harming the person that is having an abortion. it should be illegal because the baby is a baby its whole life including inside the womb"
"In a case where a woman properly used contraception she should be allowed an abortion. This choice is up to the MOTHER no one else should even be involved in her choice. I am a 17 year old girl and am sexually active. I use every contraceptive possible. Condoms, birth control, and pulling out. If I were to get pregnant, I would get an abortion. I have too much ahead of me to let an unwanted pregnancy ruin it. Did you know a woman is more like to die during child birth than a proper abortion?"
"Why wouldn't you allow abortion for women who did not use protection and did not want a child? Why wouldn't you allow women to skip the traditional contraceptives and just let them have an abortion as a form of contraception?I assume it's because you feel something about abortion is wrong? What? Sincerely curious."
"People with money don't worry they can send there daughter out of the state and have it taken care of they live by a different set of rules and keep it quiet."
"Abortion should be legal but controlled. Evidence of rape, severe distress to a woman's body or a low life expectancy for the child should have to be proven to allow an abortion. I do not believe in abortions myself. However in some circumstances I can see why some would want one. Condoms and other contraceptive are less expensive than an abortion. If someone told you that you would die today unless you put your life on hold for 9 months, Would you do it to live for just 5 more years? 2 Years? 1 Year? 80 Years? Don't make a unborn child pay for your mistakes. Adopt out. There is someone waiting for your child that will love them unconditionally."
"It should be allowed because 1. a woman is entitled to abortion rights 2. Right to an abortion is guarenteed under law thanks to Roe v. Wade 3. In many cases, abortions have been medically necessary to preserve the life of the mother 4. Not all mothers are mentally capable of carrying their pregnancy to term (I once knew a girl who found out she was pregnant a week after starting therapy to combat her eating disorder. Knowing she would not be able to handle changes to her body, she got an abortion) 5. In the case of rapeBottom line: no old white protestant male is allowed to tell be what I can and can not do with my body. I deserve reproductive rights as a woman, and the pro life movement has no right taking these rights away from me and other women."
"So if old white protestant males can't tell you what to do, can young Hispanic catholic women tell you what to do? I don't expect an answer. I'm only asking this because you are continuing a stereotype of the pro-life movement.Yes, abortion is legal due to Roe v. Wade, but that doesn't mean we can't protest a morally wrong law to have it changed. Laws aren't always right. At one time in this nation's history laws were set to discriminate against people of color."
"What gives you the right to take "what I can and can not do with my body" from an unborn child? Yes there are circumstances where an abortion is needed due to mother's and child's health. But your "what I can and can not do with my body" sounds like a 5 year old throwing a fit because they didn't get what they wanted."
"because women need to have all the rights they fought and worked for."
"I find it interesting that prolifers will fight tooth and nail to keep an unborn child from dying, yet turn a blind eye to whaling and deforestation. Is humanity really worth more than the beauty of nature? Once that's gone, it can never come back, but from what I've heard, they don't care as long as their beliefs aren't compromised."
"Alex, to your question - Is humanity more important than nature.Yes, humans are more important than nature. If you need further explanation, just ask. But it might be more efficient if you could list why you feel nature is more important than mankind.Astounding that this is even asked, but there really are no dumb questions in a debate."
"And who will put a stop to deforestation and whaling in the future?"
"Ignore if my above comment shows (I am experiencing some lag.)I find it interesting how you vaule a beautiful landscape over humanity. I have nothing against environmentals, but when people become more passioned about saving a tree over a human life, that is when I get worried. I am against whaling as well, but my feelings against the murdering of a human are much stronger."
"There is no reason"
"I think there is a point that has been undermined lately within this controversy. That point is that the decision to get an abortion is not in any way shape or form easy for a women. It isn't just another daily question going through their head it is a big life decision. A women never gets an abortion because she wants to, she does it because she has to. It is never a selfish decision it is for the good of the unborn chid. I would rather let someone have an abortion than let a child suffer because the mother was not able to provide for him/her from the beginning."
"@AmyRichard:1) Welfare, WIC, and all those other options you listed don't always provide everything necessary for a child. My brother had a child with one of his exes and was able to take care of her on his salary because he had a good job. He then got with my best friend and she got pregnant. While she was pregnant, he lost his job. She couldn't work by order of her doctor and he was having a hard time finding a job. They applied for welfare, but the office kept finding excuses to put off giving them any money. She had the baby and they finally got welfare - a whopping 40 bucks. She had WIC, too, and that got the children food, but my bro and sis-in-law had to go without a lot. They couldn't afford gas to get to work, so my parents and I gave them money, but only to take care of the babies. They are now having a third child. They still get $40 in welfare and WIC. They also both work 2 jobs, but that still isn't cutting it. My brother even broke the news of the new baby to my mom with this: "By the way, mom, we're having another baby, but don't worry, we can take care of it! Oh, and can I have 20 bucks?" We don't know how they'll make it now.Also, you still have to pay for medical bills if you give the baby up for adoption."
"I will first make the assumption that your comment refers to women in first world countries. If that is so then why would the child suffer when there is welfare, free health care, wic, and other programs? As well as that there is the choice of adoption. If the mother is not able to provide for her child then she could seek out government help or if she does not want the child then she could give the child to someone who does. There are many infertile couples, gay couples, and single parents who are looking to start a family. To choose to be ignorant of these other choices is not protecting a child from suffering but justifying murder."
"Another person would never have legal claims to my body tissues, organs, or blood, even when it's crucial for their survival. A fetus isn't sentient, nor capable of feeling pain until long after the deadline for a legal abortion, so why are we giving it rights to a woman's body that no sentient human even has in the first place? Many anti-choice comments seem to imply that the fetus is sentient, but it is not capable of thinking or feeling. If I had been aborted, I would not be questioning why or thinking about the life I would've had, I would simply NEVER HAVE EXISTED. I'm completely against the murder of a sentient being, but sadly, a fetus does not belong in that category."
"If you don't like abortion don't get one. If it conflicts with your personal opinions, morals, religion, etc, don't get one.Why should I be subjected to your personal morals? A religious belief I do not share?"
"Why should any of us then be subjected to personal morals such as thievery and murder are bad? This is not an issue on personal morals though. Pro-lifers view each fetus as an individual human. They are arguing for their right to life, not for personal morals. This is not a debate over what drugs one chooses to consumes or behaviors one chooses to act on. This is a debate over life and death."
"Right back 'atcha. You believe that abortion is a personal matter, and that the State "ought" not interfere. I'm sorry, pal, but that's a personal, moral belief. Why should any of us be subjected to *your* personal morals, either?"
"There are so many reasons why abortion should be legal. Drug addictions, alchoholism, and just not being ready. Better to not be a parent at all than to be a crappy parent your child will hate."
"yeah but there are other options you can decide on like adoption giving them to a family member that you can trust and you know they aren't smoking or anything. If abortion stays legal it just makes more reasons for guys to pressure girls about sex or even rape them."
"This topic I feel is a moral issue. I think that abortion should be legal. Do you know how many eff'd up parents out there can't take care of their kids? By taking away the right to abortion you are just throwing more kids into the Foster Care system and basically giving tax payer's the financial responsibility of these kids because their mommy's and daddy's were only sixteen and didn't use protection or they chose drugs over the kids or the couldn't support them financially. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't our country already on the verge of financial collapse? And you want to take away abortion so that tax payer's can take care of these kids? Uhm yeah...no."
""Another reason why women get abortions is because maybe broken condom or maybe some people think until they hear a heartbeat is when they are alive it isn't a baby because it isn't fully developed, many people wont agree but if you don't have a heart beat is just like saying you have no heart so you cant feel anything you aren't alive yet and also you shouldn't judge people on what they believe it's discrimination if they want to abort let them"
"It is a proven fact though that the fetus has a heartbeat and can feel pain at 5 weeks of age. I'm not judging you I just dint agree with your statement."
"abortion should be legel because if a women get raped, everyday they dont want to look at that child and remember what happened so many years ago. say it was incest do you want to really want to be reminded of a father, brother or any other male family member that did that to you, i dont think so. Think about it maybe you will finally understand."
"Dude. There is such thing as a mistake and second chances. And what if your really poor, or alcoholic, or a drug adict. BOOM. Just blew your minds."
"Dude. There is such a thing as LIFE and INNOCENT. And what if you found a solution; Adoption, Family members will be willing enough to take the child, stop doing bad things and teach your kids that being an Alcoholic or Drug Addict is bad."
"yes because under the circumstances how women get pregnant there is a special need for abortion"
"To every one who says you shouldn't abort your baby....well you know it's not your choice.....it's hard enough for someone who has to live with the fact of what they did.....but they did it for all the right reasons........"
"I am pro because criminalizing abortion will cause the rate of maternal mortality to increase. I am morally and ethically against the procedure and I don't want my tax dollars paying for it. I am also against fascism and theocracy dictating our laws. People have their reasons for their decisions and that is between them and whatever higher power they believe in. I do not believe that it is loving or right to push your religious and moral beliefs on others to the point of harming them."
"It should be a legal because women around the world should have a right to have a abortion or not.some of the women all around the world gets a abortion for they can live life better."
"I think abortion should be legal because people should have some place to send there child that they can't take care of"
"abortion should be legal..adoption is not that easy way. if someone gives birth to an unwanted baby to keep it away from herself for adoption thinking that it has life then, why does she need to do that? why does she need to keep that baby for nine months?? After all. that baby will not get his real parent..So, it is good to do abortion as early as possible before it is developed and matured inside a mother. i am saying this coz everybody's putting adoption at the front of everything which is not a good way and for the child's whole life.."
"well, there are plenty of women out there who have love towards unborn babies and many who think about their lives and the problems they along with their babies have to face. But, what if the parent has some kinda life-threatening disease like cancer which can ruin the newly born baby's life. Isn't it better to abort that child rather than bringing him to world where he will have to face only difficulties and problems?"
"women's choice for her body. less living off the government less unwanted children in bad homes"
"i don't understand why people against abortion are trying to make a hard decision for someone else. abortion isn't a thing to take lightly, yes, but a woman's uterus should not belong to the whole country"
"in my opinion abortion is a self choice, sometimes a women is raped, or something terrible happens. When that happens some women get abortions and in cases like that it is okay, because of the fact that the baby would be better off not living than living in an unfit home. we are all entitled to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, if having an abortion makes you happy, then why not go for it. i personally am against abortions, but i cannot deny that i agree with them because of all the facts that point out saying that there is nothing wrong with them."
"All the problems in the world can be attributed to childbirth. Overpopulation being the foremost."
"Overpopulation? Wow, you obviously have not been on a road trip in awhile."
"Biblical fact checking is as important as political fact checking. You would be surprised to know that contentious views about abortion are not conveyed in scripture. In fact, scripture defuses the abortion debate. What the Bible really says about abortion has never been included in the debate. If Christians are kept in the dark concerning scriptural truth, arguments over abortion will continue to worsen and persist while the message of God's love and salvation is set aside. The following article is based on scriptural facts about abortion not religious faction and fiction.How scripture defuses the abortion debate - http://bit.ly/CLLonAbortion"
"Abortion should be legal, because for some people certain issues are better to not be genetically passed on."
"It is my wright if I want to have an abortion. Also, my sisters, and my dauther's wright. It is not a way of pregnancy prevention. I believe in family planification. More ways for men to use should be created, you know, like a pill or an injection for him."
"I think there should be an age limit on abortion. I mean, what if you were 12 and were raped? Giving birth to the baby could kill you, but if your 16 and did it with your boyfriend, then the baby should be yours. You can give it up for adoption or something,"
"It's a womens body, not the babies. And what about cases of incest, rape, or a baby being born with a condition so unberable. Should the mother be punished with a child in these cases? What if the mother is in poor living conditions or cant responsibly support a baby. Should she be punished for that?"
"It is not just the mother's body that is involved in an abortion. It's BOTH the mother's body AND the baby's body that are involved in an abortion."
"there is something called adoption"
"There are too many people on this planet, I don't need anymore, we need a lot less actually. Don't be a moral whiner."
"Abortion shoul only be legal to those who were raped and did not have any choice. Otherwise, it was your choice and now you have to live with it,"
"Choices (A Message to Pregnant Teens)I know that you're scaredand don't want to listen,but let me tell you a storybefore you make your decision.There was once a young girlin the same place as you,she wasn't sure if thisshe'd be able to go through.She was trapped by her own choiceswith no easy way out,she chose the hardest choicebut the best without a doubt.She was really just a girlbut was wise and chose the option,to give her baby a better lifeand give her up for adoption.She knew what truly matteredand decided to be brave,'cause her life would be interruptedbut her baby's would be saved.She had amazing strength and loveI hope I'll get that from her,'cause I guess I didn't tell youthat woman was my mother.So before you make your choiceput yourself in my place,'cause I'm one of those babiesa mother chose to save."
"this poem really moved me. im only 14 in the 8th grade but i know abortion is wrong."
"so what? your mom had a choice, she made the right one. Good for her. Yet you want to these away that girl's right to their own bodies? it lawfully and religious doesn't make sense. I'm open to any clarification on your argument because this was just a nice poem."
"That is amazing. Please! Voice out your story!!"
"yeah and when i turn 16 i fell like a mistake, i dont know what to do, so my life i decide to take. just because your happy doesnt mean other adopted kids are, stop being so closeminded, and let people choose for themselves"
"I am against abortion because of the destruction of life. I have delivered a 12-13 week old fetus due to a spontaneous abortion (miscarriage) and my daughter was perfectly formed. She fit in the palm of my hand and had 10 fingers and 10 tiny toes. I could not have imagined killing her intentionally thru abortion. I believe life is created at conception and it is worthy to be born. I was also a teenager who found myself pregnant and made the difficult decision to carry her to term and choose adoption rather than abortion. Although I was not able to care for her myself, I chose a family who would love her and care for her the way I wanted to. 26 years later I have a wonderful relationship with her and can't imagine my life without her. I am also against abortion because of the emotional implications for women post abortion. Many women live the rest of their life in emotional turmoil and depression without realizing the trauma they feel due to the choice of abortion. It saddens me to know that our current administration and leaders are pro abortion. I don't think they realize how harmful abortion is to a woman's emotional wellbeing. I wonder if they would support their young daughter's choice for an abortion...."
"Julia, you misunderstand. Debbie was trying to explain what caused the baby to be aborted from her. She wasn't saying it's the same thing or saying that miscarriage is a choice. She was just trying to explain what caused her baby to be born early."
"Abortion and miscarriage are not the same thing. That's insulting. And you bet your ass, I would support my child's right to choose if I someday had one."
"This is why I am against abortion. We (US) will spend millions of dollars to send a device to Mars to find signs of life. However we will argue that a fetus is not life. It doesn't make any sense. We will demand gun control because someone kills others and/or kills themselves, but we don't care that over 700,000 babies are murder because of abortion. There is an outcry and outrage over the use of animals in the name of medical science; however it is ok to kill a baby for stem cell research. There is something terribly wrong that way of thinking. When did the right of another out weight the life of another? When did it become ok to say you don't matter or I matter more so I can but you to death? Some of our states won't use the death penalty, but we forfeit the life of a baby because of its inconvenience of one's career or their life goals. Right of choice! What about the right of LIFE!?! Should not life also have the right of choice? Should it not also have the right to live, to grow, to dream? The only case for abortions is when it is life threatened."
"You contradict yourself at the end when you say "The only case for abortion is when it is life threatening." If all murder is wrong, and one death shouldn't outweigh another, then how come a women can have an abortion if she may die carrying the baby? Shouldn't she, according to your argument, take responsibility and risk her life to bring that child into the world? I mean, the fetus can't think and feel, but sure let's just sacrifice women's lives for the sake of making sure another unwanted baby may be born into a home that doesn't want it, and it can go ahead and grow up wishing it was dead. That seems perfectly fair."
"yes i agree with you ...can you give more reason or way to prervent abortion ?"
"Tommie, I think this is a brilliant post. However, I do not agree with the last line as I do not support abortions in any case. Oh and Sarina, saying that the baby would probably grow up unwanted, wishing it was dead is an extreme, random, nonsensical, illogical, assumption and guess. I'm an abortion survivor and I love my life."
"A woman is sitting in a doctors office, reading a magazine on abortion. Another woman, being a representative of a women's health clinic, walks up to her, and smiles."I represent a clinic that gives abortions."The first woman looks up. "I would plan to have my child and do an open adoption."The representative hesitated before saying,"Why not just end the pregnancy? The child might not like the life it will have..."The first women closed the magazine, laid it down, and looked into the representative's eyes."I am an abortion survivor. And I'm perfectly happy with the life I've had." She paused. "Was I not worth the risk?""
"You are definitely worth the risk."
"Appeal to emotion fallacy. Women have the right to choose. My body, my right, my choice."
"you are worth the risk. Suba, you are very rude.. how do you know she didnt use birth control you dont...,,"
"this is a debate sight about if abortion should be illegal, not "share an inspirational story" no facts no arguments whattttt"
"Obviously not worth the risk, since she did not learn responsibility; was not considerate enough to use birth control, and now is happily letting strangers take care of her mistake."
"Partial-Birth Abortion is a procedure in which the abortionist pulls a living baby feet-first out of the womb and into the birth canal (vagina), except for the head, which the abortionist purposely keeps lodged just inside the cervix (the opening to the womb). The abortionist punctures the base of the baby's skull with a surgical instrument, such as a long surgical scissors or a pointed hollow metal tube called a trochar. He then inserts a catheter (tube) into the wound, and removes the baby's brain with a powerful suction machine. This causes the skull to collapse, after which the abortionist completes the delivery of the now-dead baby. What sick person would murder their own baby. That baby was alive it had a soul. The only pro to murdering a baby is that it won't be stuck with its horrendous mother.I believe the only reason EVER to get an abortion is: rape,incest or if the birth will kill the mother. If you killed your baby and it had nothing to do with these reasons you may consider yourself a cold blooded murderer, enjoy living with yourself."
"yeah, but you dont have to do that to a baby, until its like 15-20 weeks developed, and that is murder. before 9 weeks, its not alive, and you dont have to cut it up. do some research, before having an opinion"
"I am Con because, as an adopted child, if my birthmother would have chosen to abort, I would not be alive to share my talents with the world. Also being a child of Christ I must agree that it is murdering a child, even though they may not be in person-hood yet. It is not fair that we should get to live when millions of unborn children get killed every year. I can understand that if you get molested and you are too young, why you may want to choose abortion. But, if you are too young to have a baby, don't do anything harmful to you that would make you conceive. Most abortion is for people who think their baby will be treated poorly, or ruin their education. Well you know what? I think that if you made a more ill-educated decision such as abortion, you should be in school for the rest of your short-lived lives."
"Emaly, you remind me of a girl I know. :) When she learned that my mother was a Catholic she got all excited because apparantly a nun had convinced her mother to put her up for adoption instead of abort her. I'm glad your birth mother made the right choice."
"Thank God Jesus Christ wasn't aborted."
"But what if Hitler was?"
""Thank God for the separation of church and state."I'm thankful that you cannot force your religious ideals on me. Believe it or not, not everyone subscribes to the same religious ideas or morals as you."
"Well, ya but, people werent evil then and there was no such thing as an abortion unless they were acciedentally hit that caused the baby to die, but thats not an abortion."
"Abortion can be traced way back to before Egyptians. so there is a chance that it as around back with jesus. And if you follow everything out of your bible the next time you see a divorced woman you must stone her. Ad don't forget that you don't get to judge what people do only your god can. And for you judging he will judge you. Its not your body or your mind so its not your choice."
"And how do you know that God, Jesus Christ, is how we were all created? You have NO proof... If we based our laws on religion, then people would still be falsely accused of witchcraft and hanged like back in the day, before the U.S. Constitution. I know you don't believe that people being hanged for being falsely accused of witchcraft is right, so why is it right to say that abortion is wrong because of your religious beliefs?"
"It makes me sick to know that it almost happened to me. This world has become ProAbortion for money. The doctors tell you it'll be almost painless and that it isn't a baby, but it IS... It's murder. The baby is still alive and they CUT it up in pieces, or they pull it out and throw it down a Garbage Disposal. My Gyno was pushing me to get an abortion when I got pregnant. But I decided to do my research and what I found was something I CANNOT get out of my head. My beautiful baby girl is 5 months old now, she is the BEST thing that has ever happened to me. I met God the day she was born, and I feel like she doesn't belong to me, she belongs to Him...I've just been privileged to get to be her care taker.Do your research, it's God's Angel that you're butchering."
"That's really great for you and I'm sure you were able to afford the best care to your child. But what about women who accidentally get pregnant and don't have the same resources to bring a healthy baby into the world? Everyone has different circumstances, that's why it's pro CHOICE. So women can choose to have a baby or not. No one is trying to force abortion on anyone, and if that happens I agree that is wrong."
"I apologize for not better proofreading my comment. I meant "education OVER indoctrination" (not of)"
"I'm so glad you decided to choose education of indoctrination."
"Only living things can grow. And, no, I'm not one of those "ooh animal killing is bad lets all force veganism" people. I'm not against killing every single type of life. Human sperm makes humans. We're far different than other animals. If you're raped, then let the baby live. Teach it about how bad their father was and to never do the same thing again."
"You are no better than a rapist if you would force a woman to give birth to her rapist's baby."
"Why would you want a woman to have to suffer everyday. Everyday she looks as the thing she will be reminded that the only reason she gave birth is because some rapist did things to her she did not want or ask for. She would hate the child and I would have a miserable life due to it"
"Amen to that Ayyuba"
"Because abortion is often the recourse of those who feel they have no choice. If women did have a choice, abortion would more often be the last option. Killing ones Child is not what any parent should do.The larger issue is this, no human being can be denied their rights. --A Child has the right to life. --Deny the rights of one group of individuals in favor of "convenience" and you make a mockery of justice."
"As I mentioned in my original post on the other side, "life" and "a good life" are completely different things. A parent owes their child a GOOD life, complete with love and financial resources, and most importantly, free of abuse. If you cannot give them a good life, better to give no life at all. Knowingly bringing an innocent human being into a miserable life is a cruel and inconsiderate act."
"You are killing a human being!"
"Wow... That's your argument.. You are not even considering other factors. Think about those who have been raped... Why should they have to keep a reminder of their suffering?"
"it isnt even alive yet"
"Rape is never the fault of the child; the guilty party, not an innocent party, should be punished, and the violence of abortion parallels the violence of rape. and if a teenager gets pregnant it is the teenagers fault not the child, my mother was pregnant with me when she was 15. and the myth of the baby being a your body is bull. your legs and your arms are yours because it has your DNA. but a child has a separate DNA, which means it does not belong to you.also it goes against a persons natural rights."
"So the rape victim is part of the "guilty party?" Rape, 'the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse'? That's your argument? And regardless of its own DNA, the fetus is a part you, from your own contributing DNA to the womb it resides in to the umbilical cord that feeds it oxygen and red blood cells."
"You shouldn't be able to kill a living tvhing. You gave it life and now you are going to kill it with out even giving it a chance. That's wrong. That's murder."
"Wow... That's your argument.. You are not even considering other factors. Think about those who have been raped... Why should they have to keep a reminder of their suffering."
"Im PRO-LIFE because PRO-CHOICE'S main argument is that a woman should have a right to her own body... thats completely right... but is not her body she is killing, it is a person like you and me. people say its undeveloped but either way it was going to become human one way or another. It has nothing to do with religion. As a human I believe that if you cant kill someones body on the street, why should you kill it anywhere else? I understand how traumatizing and scarring rape could be second hand. but I believe that if you were raped you of all people should understand why I am so careful with someone else's life. If you were raped then why would you want to ruin someone's life after someone just ruined yours. do't blame your baby for something they didn't do. It's not there fault so why should they be punished? If you think it is too complicated to take care of this baby then put it up for adoption or just leave it in front of a fire station at LEAST. A life is a blessing not a burden. Can't we all just stop and be grateful for every second of breathing we have. If people would stop thinking about how things affect there lives, and more about humans as a whole abortion would not exist. This unborn seed" CAN CHANGE THE WORLD."
"everyone believes its murder when its really. It really killing when there is a heart beat."
"I think it would be easier just to give your child up for adoption. Dont kill your child. The child did nothing wrong and your taking away an innocent like. Its MURDER! End of story."
"I don't understand how this is has become a political issue. There is nothing good about abortion, it should never be the method of choice and it should never be done without profound consideration of all the factors involved. Sex-ed programs should teach children exactly what abortion entails so they do not grow up thinking it is an option. Counseling should be provided openly and honestly so that potential mothers--and fathers--understand the emotional toll that aborting a child takes on the parents. HOWEVER the federal government does not have a place in this! We talk about the government being too big and intrusive, why do we want the government involved in these kinds of decisions? Roe v. Wade should be upheld to keep the government's power in check like it should be. And Christians should start dealing with abortion in a Christian manner--openly, honestly, and with forgiveness. Most of the people who choose abortion do so because they are scared and feel they are out of options. Logical arguments don't always feel logical to them. Help the young people faced with these decisions, instead of judging and deriding them. We can end abortion by dealing with the real problem, not the consequences."
"Our unalienable rights are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, in that order. Without life, the others are meaningless. Life "trumps" the others and must be preserved above and before the mother's "right to choose." That is, her freedoms (for good or for bad) are of a lower priority than the baby's right to life."
"I understand that rape and the mother's life are problems. Morally I still believe you should not do it in these cases, I believe it would be better if they had the child and raised (in the case of rape that is, I'm still not sure about the life of the mother situation). But I would understand abortion in these cases, not support, but understand."
"If this is what the world has come to I don't not want to live in this world, they say mothers die from back alley abortions you deserve your punishment of death if you are trying to abort Gods gift to you it is only fair life for a life. Mothers that pressure daughters into abortion are sick. Any person in the medical field that would help in abortion services deserves there licenses revoked. If you are women enough to lay down and have sex you are women enough to take care of your child. The video's and pictures I have seen make me sick that any human being could do such sick things to an infant. My mother always said if I got pregnant that I would be hurting, my boyfriend would be broke and she would be going to hell. This statement coming from my mother has made me not only resent my mother but have a different out look on who she is, I continue to pray for her heart to be taken by God that she see's his light and his will over comes all. Please everyone look up the truth on abortion it is a sick world."
"I think that abortion should go back to being illegal because of the simple fact that if you were mature enough to have sexual relationships than, you should be able to be mature enough to take of a creature product of your mistakes NOT theirs! Things do happen for a reason, everybody deserves a chance to live, no matter the circumstances."
"If the woman who made abortion legal (Roe/McCorvey), who had never even had an abortion by the way, had a change of heart because she finally realized how wrong abortion is and is now Pro-Life, shouldn't that tell you something?Don't believe me?http://www.leaderu.com/norma/nmtestimony.htmlhttp://articles.cnn.com/2003-01-21/justice/mccorvey.interview_1_norma-mccorvey-jane-roe-abortion-rights?_s=PM:LAW"
"Because they are babies! I cant believe people would spend so much money to have an abortion! They dont want the baby put him her up for adoption"
"Science has shown the fetus to be a living person. The killing of a fetus is murder. A woman can prevent her pregnancy. It would be her fault if she got pregnant and did not want to be pregnant, except if she got raped. But still, the murder of a fetus is much worse than rape. God has a plan for every single person, unborn and born. "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart." -Jeremiah 1:5 "If more people did what was right instead of what they wanted to do, the world would be a better place." This killing has to stop."
"i believe that it should be illegal because you are killing a human being! just because you get raped or something doesnt mean you should have an abortion. just adopt the baby to someone who wants it! there are a ton of people out there who would be willing to take the baby"
"All these innocent babies we're killing, God has a plan for each one of them. They might have had something to contribute to society.Think about it this way: What if George Washington's mother had a miscarriage while she was pregnant with him? (I'm using miscarriage as an example because I'm not sure if there were abortions back then.) We would probably be under some sort of British or Soviet Russian control, or China might have even bought us out. Who knows. We would not be where we are today."
"Look, I realize that there have been great people who have done great things and without them the world would be a different place (notice: different, not better). There are also people who have done horrible things and without them the world would be different (notice: different, not worse). There are also far more people who have lived a completely normal, unspectacular life and without them the world would be pretty much the same. The aborted baby has a much, much higher chance of becoming a regular guy who will leave the world almost the same than becoming a the next Shakespeare or Hitler. You do not know what this child will grow up to be."
"Every single unborn Child has the right to live."
"abortion sucks, because your killing something. if you kill a baby is that right. no! so why would it be okay to kill a baby inside you? so suck it pro people"
"How is it okay that if someone kicked a pregnant woman's stomach and the fetus died, the person goes to jail for killing the baby, but if the mother decides to kill the baby it's okay? Who should be able to decide if one person should live or not? Rape cases that end in pregnancy is such a small percentage. The mother should at least put the child to adoption. The child didn't do anything wrong. I just don't understand how anyone could be okay with killing an innocent little baby, no matter what the circumstances."
"I disagree with the fact that abortion should be illegal because you have to put yourself in the shoes of someone who has been raped you don't want to carry somebody else's baby when you don't even know the person who raped you. That's what happened to my older sister she was raped and had to have an abortion so absolutely100% do I agree with abortion it should not be illegal and if it does become illegal then the American population is absolutely stupid for believing that it should be illegal. Just put yourself in the shoes of someone who has been raped and see what it feels like to know that you are pregnant with someone's baby when you don't even know the person who did it to you. So women let's speak out about this topic and why we think it should be legal. I am a Sophomore in High School and I have a voice. What about you?"
"I love how people in this country fight to keep people on death row alive and say that no one deserves to be killed. And then some of the same people support abortion. What could a baby possibly have done to deserve death more than murderers and rapists?"
"With few exceptions, I think that abortion should not be legal. Rape would be one of them, and if it puts the mothers life in danger. But other than that, you really choose if that human being comes into your life. Once you make that choice, it really is not your life you are taking anymore."
"If it is such a right, then let the individual pay for it themself. That way they burden the murder individually, not all those who are paying taxes to support it."
"Although I do believe that abortion should be legal in certain circumstances such as rape or incest, or health reasons, I do believe that it ends the possibility of human life. Just something to think about- I see hypocrisy on both sides of the argument. Many who are for abortion and believe it's preventing a terrible life the child must live would scream murder at an animal being put down because of injury. Is this not the same thing in both cases, preventing low-quality life? Yet animal=murder; abortion=not. It's the same for those with anti abortion views who would kill the animal- abortion=murder; killing the animal=not. And, while this is my opinion, if men were the ones to carry the baby, I bet abortion would be 100% legal and free. The problem really lies within social issues. If women and teens weren't shamed for being unmarried and pregnant, if women were truly considered equal to men, if people weren't so greedy, or even if the adoption system wasn't so complicated, we wouldn't have the need for all this arguing."
"I think that there should be an option for niether. While I think abortion is wrong, I dont think it should be illegal. To me, this seems like an intensely personal choice that should be ultimately left up to the woman who this is happening to. That doesn't mean what she may or may not be doing is wrong, it just means that it remains her choice and not a higher power that has little to no interest as to what happens with her. Do I think abortion is wrong? Yes absolutely. I cant however push my beliefs on other people."
"i am a con beacse your killing a a human being that is like commiting murder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1"
"When my girlfriend recently opted to have an abortion, I was against it but tried to be as supportive as possible. (Her reason? She was not "ready" to be a mother).At the clinic, no one looked at me, no one asked my name, no one asked me to sign anything. My kid was about to get killed and I, the father, was a non-entity in their eyes.Don't be fooled by the fluffy title: "Planned Parenthood" is code for killing babies. As is "Terminate the pregnancy". My girlfriend has felt so guilty ever since that she cries herself to sleep every night. And I will never forgive myself for letting my child down when he needed me the most.I try to forgive her but I cannot forgive the liberals and feminists in this world who support abortion and helped end my child's life for no reason."
"G-d bless you my friend, I hope you never have to go through this situation and that abortion remains a hypothetical issue for you."
"If you are talking to me when you state "I hope you never have to go through this situation and that abortion remains a hypothetical issue for you." I have already had an abortion, and I don't regret it at all. My husband was right beside me the entire time, which was really a huge help (because the anti-women's health people were so scary). This is actually why I speak out so much for a woman's right to choose. The hardest moments for me were right up until the procedure because I was convinced the anti-women's health people would somehow prevent me from obtaining the abortion and I would be forced to carry the pregnancy. Those people are horrid, and scary (seriously, they spit on people). The best feeling was right after the procedure. I felt such a huge relief, and I finally felt free again. I am so glad I got to make this choice. It was absolutely the best choice for my family.But I recognize that this is not the best choice for everyone. Some women may choose to carry the pregnancy. Whatever a woman choose, we should support her. Neither choice is easy. You should support your girlfriend."
"Not your womb, not your right to control another's body. If you need a kidney, are you going to tell someone who is a match they are required to give it to you just because they are genetically similar enough to be a match? You had no right to your girlfriend's body regardless of how genetically similar anything in her body is to you. Such thinking just shows how much you objectify women.If your girlfriend is upset, then it sounds like she was not on board with the abortion, or she is not being supported. Studies, which you can go to the American Psychological Association to read, show that abortion is not associated with an increased rate of mental health issues. The 3 and 1 campaign also show examples of women who appreciate their choice. This is not to say that no women regret their decision regardless of the decision. You can also find stories of women who greatly regret carrying an unplanned pregnancy to term. It goes both ways, which is why we should allow women to choose and we should be supportive of the choice made."
"abortion is disguting and recklessly destructive of our next human generation! STOP ABORTION NOW!!!!!!!"
"Babies are miracles and need to be treated as such!!!"
"Is murder legal?? No!!! Aborting a baby is certainly murder!!!! It doesn't get any more innocent then a baby!! No matter whAt stage in life!!"
"At the age of 19, my mother fell victim to break-in rape; I was supposed to be aborted, but sixteen years later, I stand here, explaining why I wasn't and why it shouldn't have been an option. My pro-life views and arguments come from a Christian perspective: I believe that God wouldn't have dealt my mom a card she couldn't handle, and I believe that He has an amazing plan for me. My birth definitely hindered my mom's plans for her future, she was only 19, but she put her faith in Him and hasn't regretted it since. However, I fully realize that not everyone is Christian, or even religious at all. But, granted I'm no world religions expert, don't most religions, philosophies, beliefs, etc. believe in a higher power that has a plan, or destiny, or punishment, or just fact of life, direct from a god or the universe or something? I mean, more or less, doesn't everyone believe that everything happens for a reason? Pregnancy may not have been your plan, but it happened for a reason! That kid could grow up to be a child prodigy, teaching you more than you could ever imagine. Don't kill it before he/she gets the chance to try."
"- it should be considered murder- the mother has to live with her choice and she may regret it- the child should have a chance to live, fetus or not- the mother might just go and pregnant again, leading to another abortion- some people believe abortion is okay...its not- im !#, my mother was going to abort me...but it failed, im glad. even though she didnt want me...i still love her"
"To the parents who are contemplating an abortion you may be burdened by having the baby but thats far better then to be damed for not having the baby Nobody gets away Scot-free after commiting such an unscrupulous act.Just my opinion I believe God knits a child in the womb during conception creating mind body & spirit God has a program to follow weather you like it or not If not Then evil follows evil \Abortion is to unravel Gods creation The body is like a car carrying around your spirit[The inner you] A human cannot create a human [ spirit ] without Gods Input & its a joke that some humans think we were created from planet of the apes To mess with Gods Production would only cause more havoc."
"Prostitution is legal in Nevada & that doesnt make it the right thing to do Its illegal elsewhere because women do not have the right to use THEIR bodies for money You do not have the right to try & commit suicide you will be committed if you live Abortion was illegal for a reason & now its just about The Dr making money at the abortion mill& fooling people who dont know the aftermath of abortion"
"I'm putting a comment on both sides. My comment here is that Swedish study showing depression shows the wrong control group. Do women who had an abortion as young women show more depression than those who gave birth at the same age? A control group of the general population is meaningless."
"This topic relates so much with emotion. I would say NO even though it is true that some people have a hard time to have a baby in a worst situation. While one was unconscious, the baby was killed. The baby that would have called you "Mom". If abortion was legal, how many unborn children were killed. The unborn baby's life should be decided whether they want to live or die, not by the mother. Please don't mind with my broken English."
"Abortion is murder, period. It shouldn't be a choice to murder a living person. It's irrational to say that it is a woman's body and she has a right to do what she wants with it. YES that is true, but is another living being living inside her her body? NO. Life begins at conception, it's not just a fetus and that makes us all sound like a bunch of cells. You wish it were true because of your circumstances, well guess what your circumstances are no where near as bad as murder!!! Even if you're a rape victim, that child isn't a rapist. They're innocent, and you're supposed to be the victim no a hypocrite. There's always a better alternative, there are many downsides to abortion. Regret, guilt, health issues. It's a miracle to even get pregnant. It was your choice to become pregnant, and murdering something that is a piece of you, is like killing apart of yourself."
"You say "Even if you're a rape victim" and "It was your choice to become pregnant," This doesn't add up. A woman who is raped cannot magically stop a pregnancy. Maybe if she was lucky enough to be able to runout and find pharmacy selling plan B, but not all people who are assaulted are in a position to do that immediately, and some people still don't know it is an option. You seem really bent on blaming women and using this as an excuse to force a woman to use her body to sustain another being despite the fact that this is dangerous and kills women. I am going to be honest and say that I have yet to hear of a single woman who went through a pregnancy without some sort of medical issue, wether it was excessive bleeding, minor tearing, diastasis recti that never healed, the start of weight issues, etc. I just don't see as a society how we can force this on anyone regardless of what the person has done. The rapist gets off easy in comparison. No one forces the rapist to even donate blood, which saves lives and is so much less dangerous than a pregnancy."
"PART 1:I am against abortion. Whether one wants to admit it or not, abortion is murder. Aborting a child hurts the child, the mother, and the world.It doesn't matter if the mother wants to give up the child or not, aborting the baby means killing the child. Unborn babies are humans, even by the US government. The federal Unborn Victims of Violence Act "to protect unborn children from assault and murder". This ac declares unborn babies to be humans, and many other states have been following this way. When a baby is conceived, from then on he or she is on the path to life, growing each and every day. Many of those whom support abortion argue that the baby will undergo a life of pain, being that they are not wanted in this world by their parents. However, this argument is logically flawed. Maureen Condic, a professor at the University Utah School of Medicine says that fetuses feel pain during an abortion. Therefore, in aborting a child in an attempting to avoid pain to the child, one ironically actually causes the child pain."
"PART 2:Having an abortion can also actually be damaging to the mother. In terms of damage, the mother can be hurt both psychologically and physically. A 2008 journal about public health revealed that women whom undergo abortion increase their risks of being depressed. Similarly, A 2005 study in BMC Medicine said that women whom undergo abortion had higher depression and anxiety scores. A 2005 study by afterabortion.org revealed that women whom have an abortion actually had a suicide rate six times higher than that of the average women. A study by CNSNews.com links abortion to breast cancer, saying that after having an abortion, women have a 44% higher chance of getting breast cancer. If a women gets pregnant, she must take on the responsibility of bringing that child into the world. If one isn't looking to have a child, they should be careful from the start and not let themselves get pregnant."
"This is just wrong. Abortion is incredibly safe. And even if it weren't safe, it has nothing to do with whether it should be allowed. Completely irrelevant. Cosmetic surgery is much less safe than abortion, and no one is trying to stop that.But back to the science, abortion is many times safer than pregnancy. Abortion is one of the safest outpatient procedures with few complications. The anti-women's health people find the one in a million who had a complication and tout that story because it is all they have. If you ever stopped to actually analyze the numbers touted by these people, you would realize that if the number of abortions they spout is correct, for abortion to be as dangerous as they also try to claim millions more women would be in our cemeteries. Clearly, not the case."
"PART 3: Lastly, having an abortion may actually be harmful on a broader scale, as it may hurt the world as a whole. More abortions means less babies to adopt, and this could prove problematic for those looking to adopt children. Similarly, permitting abortion promotes an idea that killing is okay, being that abortion is killing, and abortion is okay. This promotion might increase killing and similar acts. Finally, having an abortion can actually hurt the world because of what it may take away. When a life is taken away so early, all of the child's possible successes decrease, being that the child doesn't exist. Therefore, if one of these children was destined to cure cancer, but then was aborted, what happens to that cure?! It ceases to exist. These children need to be born. They are important to our society today, and to our society in the future."
"I love that someone down-rated a post that said:1) forced pregnancy is wrong2) adopt existing childrenHow can anyone disagree with that!"
"Forcing a woman to carry a baby against her will so another couple can adopt is slavery. That is really bad for the world.There are thousands of children out there right now waiting for homes. Please encourage adopting of the existing children rather than enslaving women who dearly do not want to carry a pregnancy."
"I'm against abortion because it is killing an innocent baby. People say that life doesn't start till you're outside the womb, but then how does the baby come out of the womb alive and how does the baby move around inside the womb? People say that babies cant feel the pain of abortion when they really can. Abortion can also lead to later miscarriages and later health issues to the mother."